Raymond Green is overrated AF

[superbigtime]

I hated them too much to watch... do you mind elaborating for haters like me?

[John B]

Weird that "ring chaser" would be used as a negative term. Isn't that the point of it all? I've always been on Durant's side of this issue. If I was a 20-something year old superstar with the option of playing with Steph Curry or Russell Westbrook, I'd choose Curry every time. Russ is bursting with natural talent but plays the wrong way-- low efficiency, low BB IQ, terrible end of game decision-making, ridiculous usage rate. No coach can keep him under control. Durant would've been a fool to hang his entire career and chance of getting a ring on Westbrook.

I used the ring chaser, because they were winning without Durant and would continue to win, but eventually Dubs would offer Durant the max and Draymond with the MLE. I mean I’m loving the drama, but just to clarify. Ring chaser is not as bad, but would not get my respect compare to leaders who build within. Cannot be my top if you’re a ring chaser.

[R. DeMurre]

I used the ring chaser, because they were winning without Durant and would continue to win, but eventually Dubs would offer Durant the max and Draymond with the MLE. I mean I’m loving the drama, but just to clarify. Ring chaser is not as bad, but would not get my respect compare to leaders who build within. Cannot be my top if you’re a ring chaser.

But if you just look at it as making a basketball decision, it's: do you want to play with a team that plays inefficiently, or a team that plays the right way? Why would anyone choose to play with the more undisciplined, more inefficient option? Durant (I assume) just got tired of Westbrook's antics-- as any basketball purist would-- and thought it was better to move on. Just a good basketball decision in my opinion. I'd have less respect for him if he stayed with Westbrook out of misguided loyalty to a player who is stubborn and flawed. He made the smarter basketball decision.

[John B]

But if you just look at it as making a basketball decision, it's: do you want to play with a team that plays inefficiently, or a team that plays the right way? Why would anyone choose to play with the more undisciplined, more inefficient option? Durant (I assume) just got tired of Westbrook's antics-- as any basketball purist would-- and thought it was better to move on. Just a good basketball decision in my opinion. I'd have less respect for him if he stayed with Westbrook out of misguided loyalty to a player who is stubborn and flawed. He made the smarter basketball decision.

Had he stayed with Westbrook, Harden still in the team, Ibaka and now Adams, they could be the Dubs with multiple championships. I would put Durant up there, top 5. IF Westbrook played right.

[R. DeMurre]

Had he stayed with Westbrook, Harden still in the team, Ibaka and now Adams, they could be the Dubs with multiple championships. I would put Durant up there, top 5. IF Westbrook played right.

Yeah, but Harden leaving wasn't Durant's fault. Harden being traded to save money was probably one of the factors along with Westbrook that made him leave.

[exstatic]

Yeah, but Harden leaving wasn't Durant's fault. Harden being traded to save money was probably one of the factors along with Westbrook that made him leave.

Clay Bennett is SO stupid. I really think that he thought they could draft or acquire another Harden. This is why owners shouldn't make basketball decisions.

[diego]

But if you just look at it as making a basketball decision, it's: do you want to play with a team that plays inefficiently, or a team that plays the right way? Why would anyone choose to play with the more undisciplined, more inefficient option? Durant (I assume) just got tired of Westbrook's antics-- as any basketball purist would-- and thought it was better to move on. Just a good basketball decision in my opinion. I'd have less respect for him if he stayed with Westbrook out of misguided loyalty to a player who is stubborn and flawed. He made the smarter basketball decision.

right, because the only two teams in the league he could sign with were the dubs and okc... he could have easily gone to boston for example. he could have also asked okc to trade westbrook and they would have done whatever he asked. He also could have told okc his plans instead of acting like he was resigning then flipping at the last second to sign for the team he just choked a 3-1 lead to...

[Mikeanaro]

Yeah, but Harden leaving wasn't Durant's fault. Harden being traded to save money was probably one of the factors along with Westbrook that made him leave.

Not just money, Harden left the team because he wanted to be a starter, not a 6th man.
It worked for him, at least to sell tickets score a lot and achieve nothing relevant.

[exstatic]

Not just money, Harden left the team because he wanted to be a starter, not a 6th man.
It worked for him, at least to sell tickets score a lot and achieve nothing relevant.

Technically, Harden didn't 'leave'. By all accounts, he wanted to stay in OKC, and was as shocked as anyone by the trade. Now, I'm sure he's not disappointed by what has happened since, but I think that, barring that idiot OKC owner, he'd still be there today.

[NameLess Scrub]

But if you just look at it as making a basketball decision, it's: do you want to play with a team that plays inefficiently, or a team that plays the right way? Why would anyone choose to play with the more undisciplined, more inefficient option? Durant (I assume) just got tired of Westbrook's antics-- as any basketball purist would-- and thought it was better to move on. Just a good basketball decision in my opinion. I'd have less respect for him if he stayed with Westbrook out of misguided loyalty to a player who is stubborn and flawed. He made the smarter basketball decision.

I half agree. I applaud him leaving Westbrook (he might have asked them to trade Westbrook), but he could pick a different team that actually needed him as a main star for contending.

He chose the easy way, and pretended they needed him just because they lost the finals, which we all know happened more because of injuries and Draymond's antics.

Every year he can turn it on in the last couple of games and win an FMVP.

I love it. I hope they continue to implode.

I’m no fan, but he’s a Rodman. If you could control his antics, he’d be great. I don’t think he’s overrated. If he’s in your team, you’ll be a fan because he goes to war. But his pride needs to be stroked because he feels he belongs, and Durant was a ringchaser, so I could emphatize with the guy. Again I wish they continue to implode because him and Curry are the real leaders of that team. Curry sets the pace, while Draymond gives them defensive edge. Durant could afford to play great feeding from those two, and Klay.

We shouldn't underestimate how much easier the rest of the lineup can make the game for him.

[Mikeanaro]

Technically, Harden didn't 'leave'. By all accounts, he wanted to stay in OKC, and was as shocked as anyone by the trade. Now, I'm sure he's not disappointed by what has happened since, but I think that, barring that idiot OKC owner, he'd still be there today.

There was also that factor that they chose to pay more Ibaka than him, KD leaving was the final bomb, that team is ruined lol those guys who were saying Presti was a genius.

[Phenomanul]

The crazy part is that all three of them have been perennial MVP contenders in the last 3 to 4 years...

[R. DeMurre]

Interview with Green:

Do you have any regrets?
None.

How does the 2016 Finals suspension sit with you?
I don't regret it because if it happened again, I'd do the same exact thing. I'm a man, and that'll always take precedence over any basketball game. I'll put it like this: If you're in your office working, in the position that I was in, getting up off the floor, and I walked in your office and stepped over your shoulder, your reaction is probably going to be [shoves his forearm into the sky]. So I was in my office. Someone stepped over me. [Makes the same motion.] Period.

Do you believe you cost your team a le?
Yeah, I do. It changed the series for sure. But I also don't think we would've won these last two [championships] if we won that one. Everything happens for a reason, and I learned so much from that. It helped shape who I am today. But I take the blame for it. It's OK.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24952146/the-warriors-draymond-green-kevin-durant-steph-curry-future-golden-state-dynasty

[spurraider21]

Technically, Harden didn't 'leave'. By all accounts, he wanted to stay in OKC, and was as shocked as anyone by the trade. Now, I'm sure he's not disappointed by what has happened since, but I think that, barring that idiot OKC owner, he'd still be there today.

harden agreed to accept a reduced, super-sub role. he didnt agree to take a discount, though. by tying up a combined 20 mil per year on perkins/ibaka, they weren't able to pay harden the ~18 he wanted and instead offered something like 12-14 iirc. i specifically remember perkins' 8 mil salary being more than the gap between harden/okc

[baseline bum]

Oh, and he hired Rich Paul as his new agent. LOL.

Damn watching Green go to LA, take their max slot, and them missing the playoffs again would be must see TV

[R. DeMurre]

Damn watching Green go to LA, take their max slot, and them missing the playoffs again would be must see TV

Imagine if all the other big names FAs say no, and the Lakers get Draymond and Cousins?! What a show that would be.

[baseline bum]

Imagine if all the other big names FAs say no, and the Lakers get Draymond and Cousins?! What a show that would be.

They don't have enough capspace to get both. They could max out Green and then have about MLE left to offer after if they stay at their projected pick #13.

[baseline bum]

, Raymond's not a FA until 2020 anyways.

[JPB]

Harden wanted his own team... Anyone thinking he would have agreed to a "reduced role" and less money just to stay with his "bros" are incredibly delusional about the guy's (and any star's) ego...

[r0drig0lac]

Weird that "ring chaser" would be used as a negative term. Isn't that the point of it all? I've always been on Durant's side of this issue. If I was a 20-something year old superstar with the option of playing with Steph Curry or Russell Westbrook, I'd choose Curry every time. Russ is bursting with natural talent but plays the wrong way-- low efficiency, low BB IQ, terrible end of game decision-making, ridiculous usage rate. No coach can keep him under control. Durant would've been a fool to hang his entire career and chance of getting a ring on Westbrook.

Durant always had a top 3 roster in all his prime (in okc) and the only time he did not have a superstar at his side, lost in 5 games for the grizzilies,he run to the team that did not win by his own incompetence, breaking the league, by potentialize a team that was already a level above its greater compe ion, he is not able to take teams to le and is receiving an undue status, he is only the weakest superstar in the history of sports.

I can not understand anyone who stays on the side of Durant, when he had one of the biggest help of any superstar since the beginning of his career, only Curry, Magic and Kobe had something similar in my opinion.

[NameLess Scrub]

Interview with Green:

Do you have any regrets?
None.

How does the 2016 Finals suspension sit with you?
I don't regret it because if it happened again, I'd do the same exact thing. I'm a man, and that'll always take precedence over any basketball game. I'll put it like this: If you're in your office working, in the position that I was in, getting up off the floor, and I walked in your office and stepped over your shoulder, your reaction is probably going to be [shoves his forearm into the sky]. So I was in my office. Someone stepped over me. [Makes the same motion.] Period.

Do you believe you cost your team a le?
Yeah, I do. It changed the series for sure. But I also don't think we would've won these last two [championships] if we won that one. Everything happens for a reason, and I learned so much from that. It helped shape who I am today. But I take the blame for it. It's OK.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24952146/the-warriors-draymond-green-kevin-durant-steph-curry-future-golden-state-dynasty

Well at least he accepts the blame. The rest of his take seems kind of dumb though.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Well at least he accepts the blame. The rest of his take seems kind of dumb though.

Typical Raymond. He doesn't give any credit at all to the roids.

[UncleDennis]

Interview with Green:

Do you have any regrets?
None.

How does the 2016 Finals suspension sit with you?
I don't regret it because if it happened again, I'd do the same exact thing. I'm a man, and that'll always take precedence over any basketball game. I'll put it like this: If you're in your office working, in the position that I was in, getting up off the floor, and I walked in your office and stepped over your shoulder, your reaction is probably going to be [shoves his forearm into the sky]. So I was in my office. Someone stepped over me. [Makes the same motion.] Period.

Do you believe you cost your team a le?
Yeah, I do. It changed the series for sure. But I also don't think we would've won these last two [championships] if we won that one. Everything happens for a reason, and I learned so much from that. It helped shape who I am today. But I take the blame for it. It's OK.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24952146/the-warriors-draymond-green-kevin-durant-steph-curry-future-golden-state-dynasty

He learned soooo much from the experience that he would do the exact same thing in the same situation if it happened again.

[Seventyniner]

He learned soooo much from the experience that he would do the exact same thing in the same situation if it happened again.

His retroactive justification is absurd. Winning the next two les doesn't make what he did a good, or even defensible, thing.

[NameLess Scrub]

His retroactive justification is absurd. Winning the next two les doesn't make what he did a good, or even defensible, thing.

He learned soooo much from the experience that he would do the exact same thing in the same situation if it happened again.

Typical Raymond. He doesn't give any credit at all to the roids.

That Draymond logic