Court of Law and Dwight Clark

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Here is the all Time Niners TE list, why no Dwight Clark?

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Who were the wide receivers for Joe Montana?


The 49ers of the 1980s were loaded with a group of young superstars including quarterback Joe Montana, receivers Dwight Clark and Jerry Rice, running back Roger Craig and defensive back Ronnie Lott. George Seifert, who replaced Walsh, continued to take full advantage of the existing talent.

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Look, we know the San Francisco 49ers have had great quarterbacks in their history, but someone has to be on the other end of those passes, right? Indeed: In addition to great QBs, the 49ers also have had some great wide receivers.

We know you know a few of them; how could you be a football fan and not know them? However, what about the guys rounding out a top-five list of the 49ers' best WRs? That gets tricky!


Or does it? It depends on what you value most in a WR, perhaps. Consistency? Big-play capability? A lot of S.F. wide receivers benefitted from playing with great QBs, too, so we have to take that into consideration as well.

Regardless, these are the five WRs we decided were the best in San Francisco history. Enjoy!

5. Dwight Clark (1979-1987): He is most famous for The Catch, of course, but Clark also was the go-to receiver for QB Joe Montana in the early years of the 1980s dynasty. Not the most physically gifted guy, Clark averaged 946 yards a season for a five-year stretch that saw the 49ers win their first two Super Bowls

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So we have three actual game videos, rosters reading....WR Dwight Clark, all his football cards....WR.

So until we see actual game videos where he is playing TE, rosters reading....TE Dwight Clark, and some football card...TE, yep, the guy was a WR.

Anyone disagree?

Yes.

If the 49 ers at that time referred to him as a TE on plays or games. Then he was a TE for plays or games.

Its that simple.
I read the quotes from Blake.

You are wrong. It does not matter what some 49 er admin guy says that runs a web site. It matters what HIS TEAM considered him at THAT TIME.

Your appeal is denied.

WR/TE

[Avant]

Yes.

If the 49 ers at that time referred to him as a TE on plays or games. Then he was a TE for plays or games.

Its that simple.
I read the quotes from Blake.

You are wrong. It does not matter what some 49 er admin guy says that runs a web site. It matters what HIS TEAM considered him at THAT TIME.

Your appeal is denied.

WR/TE

I just posted three game videos showing Clark at WR, ok man.......show us anything where Clark is a TE, ok?

Players have a position, it's not a game by game, play by play thing, this really has to be explained to you? So what if a guy lines up out wide, in tight, in the backfeild, he isn't a WR/TE/RB in three plays...ok guy?

Dwight Clark was NEVER EVER listed on any roster as anything other than a WR, the reason is.....he played WR.



Where is Clark ever a TE, well? Come on man PROVE he ever played TE at all.

[Avant]

Here is Darren McFadden who did it all while at Arkansas.



Yet, there was never any doubt he was a RB. See how ir works?

How many RB's also catch passes yet nobody would ever...WR Todd Gurley. Now before somebody...RB's catch passes, well WR's also play in tight sometimes. That doesn't mean they are a TE.

Bob Trumpy lined up wide a lot, you almost forget he was actually a TE.

But...

The Cincinnati Bengals have had some great players over the years. Some of those greats were wide receivers.
Young Bengals fans may not know it but they also have had some great tight ends. Three of them might qualify in this top ten. However, since this is a list of the top wide receivers, names like Rodney Holman, Tony McGee, and Bob Trumpy aren't included.

Ya see it doesn't matter how a player is used, he has his position and that doesn't change game to game, play to play. He might play another position but what he is stays the same.

[Blake]

I win.

[Avant]

Blake, you got totally crushed and know it.

You had no proof of any kind that Clark ever played TE at all......but Joe said....means nothing.

[Blake]

Blake, you got totally crushed and know it.

You had no proof of any kind that Clark ever played TE at all......but Joe said....means nothing.

Joe was the QB. Joe had the playbook. His expert testimony means way more than your old fart eye test.

You don't get how a court of law works. I win.

[Chucho]

The times have passed old Larry by...

[Avant]

Joe was the QB. Joe had the playbook. His expert testimony means way more than your old fart eye test.

You don't get how a court of law works. I win.

Not my eye test the eye test of those in court watching actual footage of Clark playing WR in three different videos. While you have.....nothing.

Dude, you need PROOF, which I have, you have....well Joe said....which means nothing.

Judge...so did you shoot the guy Joe?
Joe Montana....nope.
Judge....well that is good enought for me, if you say you didn't then you didn't.
Lawyer....ah...don't we need some proof here?
Judge....we got that, Joe said he didn't do it.
Lawyer....ah....how about this video showing him not only pulling the trigger but stomping on the dead body?
Judge....doesn't matter, Joe said he didn't do it.

[Avant]

The times have passed old Larry by...

The times? Dude, I have video PROOF that Clark was a WR, show the PROOF he ever played TE at all?

Here are my Niners vs Buffalo



Go to 2:20 min. will Clark be listed as a TE or WR?

[Avant]

Where is any game footage with Clark as a TE? Where are any cards that read....TE?

This is straight out of the NFL Encyclopedia.

1979

QB Joe Montana was selected in the third round of the draft, wide receiver Dwight Clark was chosen in the tenth round.

Nowhere on the Niner page is there any mention of TE Dwight Clark....none.

[Chucho]

Doesnt matter. You lost. Pgardn ruled on the issue. You lost.

[Avant]

Doesnt matter. You lost. Pgardn ruled on the issue. You lost.

Dude, the guy with the actual PROOF always wins, Blake had no proof of any kind, so he lost big, really wasn't even close.

Video evidence is why they have all those camera's everywhere, I had that video evidence, Blake had.....but Joe said.

Great to be a winner.

Chucho why do you always back losers like SFS and Blake? Why not get with a winner....me.

[Blake]

Dude, the guy with the actual PROOF always wins, Blake had no proof of any kind, so he lost big, really wasn't even close.

Video evidence is why they have all those camera's everywhere, I had that video evidence, Blake had.....but Joe said.

Great to be a winner.

Chucho why do you always back losers like SFS and Blake? Why not get with a winner....me.

There isn't video evidence of every single game Clark played in.

The court will just have to take Joe's word for it.

[Avant]

What did the SF 49 ers call him in their offense?

Looks like the evidence says WR/TE or TE/WR

So thats what it is. Not what your card says or what you say.
Case closed.

Compensatory damages to Blake for Avante being dumb .
Avante please leave the board.

Why not actual go with what is said there....WR....well? So what do we do with their real TE Charles Young...well?

Dude, there is nothing there that even hints at WR/TE so why the bull ?

Dude, we both know you don't know football so why are you even involved?

Blake got his ass kicked and we saw it, so why are you still here?

[Avant]

There isn't video evidence of every single game Clark played in.

The court will just have to take Joe's word for it.

Unlike you the court will need something other than....well Joe said. They saw four games where Clark NEVER played TE at all. Do you really think that will be ignored? Of course not, it will be this...

Judge...ok so Mr.Avant has shown us four games to prove that Clark did play WR, we have seen nothing from Mr. Blake other than... Joe said. well that obviously won't work. So...until Mr. Blake gives us something similiar when it comes to actual video evidence proving Clark played TE, then Clark is a WR like we saw in Mr. Avant videos. It's on you Mr. Blake to provide some proof other than that weak...Joe said so...which means nothing. Do you have any actual proof of any kind? No video evidence? What do you have, anything?

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Blake, there are TONS of Niners games on youtube, try and find one where Clark plays TE, why not? Could it be because if he ever did it was real rare? I had no problems finding him at WR, that doesn't tell you something?

Blake, stop acting stupid ok guy., give it up you are getting totally trampled here.

Somebody should stop this, it's getting ugly now. look at Blakes face, just a mask of goo.

I can see it now..

Blake at the Alamo.

George Russell.....(as the Mexican army comes pouring in over the walls) ...I think they got us Davey.
Davey....I'm just warming up, grrrrr.

Totally unable to get the moment.

[Avant]

Blake. I could post four more games right now totally confident it will take a matter of minutes before we see Clark at WR.

You know if you tried to find a game where he is at TE that search would just be too much so you wouldn't even try and neither would anyone else. So, do you really think this guy was ever an actual TE? Come on man, you know Joe didn't mean the guy was a real TE. So why the stupid ? Joe was saying the guy will do whatever it takes, EVEN EVEN EVEN....TE...and it really is real obvious that was where he was on that.

Dude...

Old lady wants a kitty. will she go with the one she heard was real cute or the one she saw on video that is real cute?

Video evidence means everything today amigo, this....but Joe said....don't mean .

There will never be a case where ....he said...trumps actual video evidence.

Blake, time to cool the crap, accept the fact you took a beating and .....ok ok ok you kicked my ass, yes......Clark is a WR.

[Avant]

Video number five from 1985 Niners on MNF vs the Seahawks



Yep, once again there is Clark at WR (2:10). So these videos started in 81 now in 85 he still a WR, so when did he play TE, I know....never.

I need to find a video from his last season, see where he's at there.

[Blake]

I win.

[Avant]

No proof of anything, so...you lose.

Blake...do you really think ....Joe said....would work in any court?

I won, and it wasn't even close, and we both know it.

You simply can't.....ok ok ok, Clark is a WR, you win....can you?

Dude, video evidence vs...Joe said....really, hahahaha~~~~~~

I have another video from 1987 in this one Clark isn't starting but when he does come in, yep...WR..replacing Mike Wilson. That was his final season, so when did he ever play TE?

[Avant]

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					Games		Receiving							Rushing							Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
1979	22	SFO	wr	87	16	3	18	232	12.9	0	30	1.1	14.5								18	12.9	232	0	0	2
1980	23	SFO	WR	87	16	12	82	991	12.1	8	71	5.1	61.9								82	12.1	991	8	2	9
1981*	24	SFO	WR	87	16	16	85	1105	13.0	4	78	5.3	69.1	3	32	0	18	10.7	2.0	0.2	88	12.9	1137	4	0	10
1982*+	25	SFO	WR	87	9	8	60	913	15.2	5	51	6.7	101.4								60	15.2	913	5	1	14
1983	26	SFO	WR	87	16	13	70	840	12.0	8	46	4.4	52.5	3	18	0	9	6.0	1.1	0.2	73	11.8	858	8	0	9
1984	27	SFO	WR	87	16	14	52	880	16.9	6	80	3.3	55.0								52	16.9	880	6	0	10
1985	28	SFO	WR	87	16	14	54	705	13.1	10	49	3.4	44.1								54	13.1	705	10	0	7
1986	29	SFO	WR	87	16	14	61	794	13.0	2	45	3.8	49.6								61	13.0	794	2	0	7
1987	30	SFO	wr	87	13	3	24	290	12.1	5	40	1.8	22.3								24	12.1	290	5	1	4
Career					134	97	506	6750	13.3	48	80	3.8	50.4	6	50	0	18	8.3	0.4	0.0	512	13.3	6800	48	4	72

There is Clarks entire career, see....WR....for every single season? The guy never played TE at all it appears. He did play RB see those 6 rushes, hahahaha!!!

Blake. give it up guy it's gotten ridiculous now. You haven't done anything, shown anything that compares to all I've showed you. Dude. Dwight Clark is the third all time Niner WR, no mention at all at TE...why? Are you really so damn dumb you think all those football cards are wrong? Dude, does it really hurt that damn bad to.....ok ok ok I was wrong.....well?

[Chucho]

Larry, just pack it in. Judge Pgardn ruled against you. It's over. No need to keep on.

[Avant]

Larry, just pack it in. Judge Pgardn ruled against you. It's over. No need to keep on.

Chucho, Pgardn knows less about football than you do. He was nothing at all in this, all he did was show he knows about football. He'd been better off keep his mouth shut.

Chucho, I have five videos all showing Clark as the WR, Blake Has nothing. I have cards all reading...WR, Blake has nothing saying...TE.

How about this?

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					Games		Receiving							Rushing							Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
1979	22	SFO	wr	87	16	3	18	232	12.9	0	30	1.1	14.5								18	12.9	232	0	0	2
1980	23	SFO	WR	87	16	12	82	991	12.1	8	71	5.1	61.9								82	12.1	991	8	2	9
1981*	24	SFO	WR	87	16	16	85	1105	13.0	4	78	5.3	69.1	3	32	0	18	10.7	2.0	0.2	88	12.9	1137	4	0	10
1982*+	25	SFO	WR	87	9	8	60	913	15.2	5	51	6.7	101.4								60	15.2	913	5	1	14
1983	26	SFO	WR	87	16	13	70	840	12.0	8	46	4.4	52.5	3	18	0	9	6.0	1.1	0.2	73	11.8	858	8	0	9
1984	27	SFO	WR	87	16	14	52	880	16.9	6	80	3.3	55.0								52	16.9	880	6	0	10
1985	28	SFO	WR	87	16	14	54	705	13.1	10	49	3.4	44.1								54	13.1	705	10	0	7
1986	29	SFO	WR	87	16	14	61	794	13.0	2	45	3.8	49.6								61	13.0	794	2	0	7
1987	30	SFO	wr	87	13	3	24	290	12.1	5	40	1.8	22.3								24	12.1	290	5	1	4
Career					134	97	506	6750	13.3	48	80	3.8	50.4	6	50	0	18	8.3	0.4	0.0	512	13.3	6800	48	4	72

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  See that....WR?
  
  Dude, Blake got totally wiped out you know it, so why the stupid crap? It's looking like Clark never played TE at all.
  
  Video evidence vs....Joe said...hahahaha~~~

[Avant]

The greatest TE ever is Tony Gonzalez, his career average for yards....11.4, his best season....12.9.

Dwight Clark career average for yards....13.3, his best season...16.9.

Jason Witten...10.8
Antonio Gates...12.4
Shannon Sharpe...12.3

Yep, one a TE the other a WR which is why just a "good" WR outshines the best TE there.

Now only a total fool would ignore this most telling of everything shown. This right here puts a total stop to Blake's bull . You do not average those yards as a TE, those are WR numbers.

Now watch the guy....but Joe said...ha~~~~



By the way, Jerry Rice.....14.8, Don Hutson......16.4 (facing slow white guys)

[Avant]

Getting a little bored with this now, it's pretty obvious Blake will never admit he took a beating. He will....But Joe said....no mater how stupid that is.

While thinking of TE's, I thought of Mike Ditka. Which reminded me of a guy nobody here has ever heard of....Johnny Morris....a fellow Bear.


Johnny Morris (American football)

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Jump to navigation Jump to search For other persons named Johnny Morris, see Johnny Morris (disambiguation).

Morris on a 1961 trading card
No. 47
Position:	Halfback, wide receiver
Personal information
Born:	September 26, 1935 (age 83) Long Beach, California
Career information
High school:	Long Beach (CA) Polytechnic
College:	UC Santa Barbara
NFL Draft:	1958 / Round: 12 / Pick: 137
Career history
Chicago Bears (1958–1967)
Career highlights and awards
NFL champion (1963) Pro Bowl (1960) First-team All-Pro (1964) NFL receptions leader (1964) NFL receiving yards leader (1964) NFL receiving touchdowns leader (1964)
Career NFL statistics
Rushing yards: 1,040 Yards per carry: 4.6 Rushing touchdowns: 5 Receptions: 356 Receiving yards: 5,059 Receiving touchdowns: 31 Player stats at NFL.com

Johnny Edward Morris (born September 26, 1935) is a former American football running back/wide receiver in the National Football League. He spent his entire ten-year career with the Chicago Bears, and is the franchise's all-time leader in receiving yards with 5,059.^[1] He attended the University of California, Santa Barbara. Morris won an NFL championship in 1963. In 1964, he had his best season with 93 receptions for 1,200 yards and 10 touchdowns.

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That is his rookie card which I own. I read somewhere while at UCSB he ran a 5.2 50, hmmmm?

[Avant]

I don't think most get just how great Mike Ditka was.