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yep, is like Harden
yep. i think if you're trying to figure out a lineup where we play white/murray together... starting LMA at the 5 and Bertans at the 4 is the best bet
yep, is like Harden
Nah, White is already a much more complete player than Fisher was at any point in his career. The best comparisson possible to White is Jrue Holiday.
hadn't seen that comp yet
Jrue Holiday is the best White comparison by far. It will be fun to see if he can do the same thing to Lillard on Saturday as Jrue did in playoffs. Jrue is an incredible defender and I see White being able to do similar things.
What would your choice be? And if it includes Forbes as a starter you might as well offer to sell some real estate, tbh.
white is so much better than KA was, it's amazing that some ST posters once compared them. KA has only one speed and that is slow. yes, he had a decent IQ and could play some "d" but that was it. and unlike KA, white doesn't suffer from shrinkage when the game is on the line.
anderson is a decent player and imo justified his late first round selection. he's just not worth what memphis is paying him. white is clearly the better player between the two, though
The only comparison is to Summer league Kyle, NBA Kyle is a big slow SF and you could argue that defense of SF is more important than defense at pg and thus Kyle is better, but that's not really compelling given Kyle sucks on offense still. It'll be very interesting watching the next contract for white. And Murray too.
Kyle could be a valuable guy on a good team as #8 or 9 in the rotation. The problem last year was that he was part of the "Big 3" for the Spurs in terms of mpg... He's just not that type of player.
I don't see why Bryn couldn't play the 1-5.
Anyway, Aldridge/Poeltl isn't going to happen in a world where White, Murray and DeRozan all start. The only way it does is if Murray comes in as a 40-percent shooter from deep on legit volume. The team has to play smaller in the front court. I honestly don't see Murray starting as much next year, provided there isn't an injury to White or DeRozan. He can be a bench dynamo just as much as White can, and the second-unit is much more inclined to run than the starters would be, given that DeRozan and Aldridge are older and like to iso.
White, Forbes, DeRozan, Gay, Aldridge
Mills, Murray, Belinelli, Bertans, Poeltl
If Pop does what a lot of people want and trades Bryn, then Lonnie might slip into Beli's spot with Marco going up as the starting two-guard. Obviously, if Gay leaves, the team has to replace him with a similar player, who'd also start at the four. If Gay stays on, then the Spurs could have the MLE available for another forward anyway, and that player could also start instead of Forbes/Beli/Walker. I don't believe that anyone they draft would be in the rotation, provided they don't get into the top 10 picks or so. Maybe a guy like Hachimura could get time if Gay leaves and PATFO doesn't replace him, but I doubt it.
Gay leaving would be a damn disaster, IMO. I want to see him re-sign, and the Spurs sign Darius Miller under the MLE. I like Miller, and I think he would fit right in. But I also think he is one of the best they can get on their budget.
gay has been a breath of fresh air. has been able to create on his own, but has also been content playing off the ball when needed, and has excelled with this 3 point shot. he's also been good enough defensively as a 4 while putting up solid rebounding numbers
Why did he miss two full seasons and play 5 games in another in 3 consecutive years? Geez, he is almost 29 YO!
Well I think it relies on Murray being an improved shooter. If he still can't shoot, that lineup won't work. At the very least you'd have to start Gay over Poeltl, but more realistically you'd probably have to bench Murray. If Murray can knock down some shots though that defensive lineup would be much improve especially at guard. Hopefully with White getting the ball more and more Aldridge and DeRozan are learning how to play more with the ball in their hands less. But I do understand your concern.
Yep. Can't deny it. He's earned his way back. He has length, he can shoot the 3, and he's a competent defender if not in the same class as White/Murray. Did you notice that he played almost 2,000 minutes last season off the bench? Or that he's on pace for about 2,100 this year? I know it's New Orleans, but they really like him there. I've watched him play, and I like him enough to think he'd be worth a look here.
I don't know if a lot of people here understand the world of salary cap the Spurs are still in for next year. Or that SF's are in huge demand, and will be going at a premium. He's not an exciting pickup, but I don't think the Spurs are going to find a needle-moving SF on their MLE budget. What he would do is fill in a niche, and allow the Spurs to draft a (hopefully) high-upside SF that they could develop in Austin next year. No more, no less.
Ironically, they are playing the knicks -
because D.White reminds me of
Walt "Clyde" Frazier
Always in control. Deceptive speed. Great defender. Solid two point shooter (no 3's back then)
Similar height/build.
Murray can't play shooting guard. He can hardly shoot. He's pretty much a pure PG. White is better, though. Murray can be the backup.
im telling all yous, murry is a busts.... lol all this talk about having the keys to the car after kawhi left, injury didnt help him, but he never own the car anyway....
if he doesnt develop a 3pt shot to get a starting job at sg/sf position, then his straight off the bench with walker....
White greater then manu
Looking at the salary cap numbers, I can see the Spurs using most of a full MLE, which is around 9mil. I think Spurs go for Marcus Morris here as a combo forward who can guard big wings. Or Wes Mathews who looks good in Indiana would work well in any unit. But I think Spurs sign a forward and not a guard.
If somebody doesn't overpay for Marcus Morris, he'd be a good piece for the roster. Matthews had an $18M contract this year. He got bought out, but I think he will have more than one team chasing him for the MLE. And he's another 6'5" guard who shoots the 3 juuuust good enough.
You still don't see Forbes as a net negative? You really think his shooting is THAT indispensable. And much more to the point, you really rather the team not address anything in the offseason besides reintegrating Murray and giving Lonnie more minutes? That's not a recipe for success given how the rest of the league looks to improve their rosters every offseason and at least flirt with the notion of personnel changes. As you mentioned, LMA and DeRozan aren't getting any younger. Your argument only holds water if we were a 2 seed and Forbes wasn't an atrocious defender with limited offensive skills. Why settle for subpar? I just don't see how you can continue to justify Forbes as a starter.
Forbes is less of a negative on defense if Patty gets jettisoned, and there are more minutes going to Murray. So much is going to depend on Murray developing (and to an extent White continuing to develop) from the outside.
If neither develop an outside shot, it’s going to be hard to play lineups that consist of all three, or lineups that include two of them plus Poeltl AND Aldridge. So look at it as 48 minutes going to Aldridge and Poeltl, plus any overlap eats into the 96 combined minutes that go to Murray/White/DDR. And that’s best case ... spacing may be so poor that it’s hard to play Murray in lineups without three shooters out there.
Without marked improvement from the outside, that means at least 96 minutes of Mills/Forbes/Bertans/Gay/Beli/anyone they add.
tl;dr, to maximize the defensive potential of the team, really need the two PGs to shoot above average from the outside. DDR isn’t going to become a three point shooter, so it’s on them.
Having Murray and White on the floor at the same time will work best when Bertans is on the floor for spacing. I could see next year's starting lineup be Murray, White, DDR, Bertans and LMA. Poetl would come in when you need an enforcer. The bench would be awesome with Gay lighting up bench players, and Forbes being brought in for instant offense. I am unsure what the future holds for Marco and Mills.
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