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    The notion that agricultural work is low skilled is laughable.

    Why did slaves cost as much as houses in the civil war era if they were so "low skilled"?
    The cost of a slave compared to a house has no connection to skill level of agricultural work. The supply of slaves and the potential labor output would be much more relevant.

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    Our middle-class percentage is 40.9% vs. Texas's 42.9%, so that burn is pretty weak. Anyhow, middle-class parents tend to emphasize a college degree and high-paying "white collar" work for their children over blue collar/service industry jobs. Among the high school teenage demographic alone, the employment rate has fallen from 32% to 16% since 1990, so you can infer that parents and the kids are prioritizing the education/white collar path over other options (i.e. trade school/blue collar).

    No burn intended. People are leaving that state in droves, tho.

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    Are we talking about immigrants or illegals?
    Does it matter? You despise both.

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    Does it matter? You despise both.
    Lol, re ed alt

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    No kidding.

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    Maids and those other jobs typically get paid more than minimum wage.

    Yeah, it makes sense that you'll get less push back on suppressing higher wages than wages at the floor. The impact is much more significant. It also makes more sense to allow skilled people into the country over unskilled. But I've seen people still against it because of lower wages. My biggest problem with that is the country uses it to fill the void created by the terrible k-12 school system.
    Maid wages would probably depend on the Hotel (I'm sure they get paid more in fancy Hotels vs. a Motel 6). But no matter. Agricultural companies in California offered increased wages and benefits above minimum wage, and the native born Americans didn't show up. Nor did the supposed "unemployed" Midwestern demographic who saw their livelihoods outsourced and are eternally pissed off at foreigners for "takin their jerbs."

    Why does it make more sense to allow skilled people vs. unskilled in the country? That "sensibility" should depend on what the labor market demands. If we're having trouble filling unskilled positions with native born Americans, then allowing them in at a higher rate vs. skilled workers makes more "sense." "But higher skilled and wealth creation!" You don't think reduced labor costs and higher bottom lines for companies increases "wealth creation?"

    In California, at least, kids with STEM degrees are cheap. Finding a kid to do roofing in 100 degree weather for 12 hours is actually more of a rare bird these days.

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    No burn intended. People are leaving that state in droves, tho.
    Not a new phenomenon. The highest net out-migration we had was actually in the 90s (peaked at 300K. Fun fact, two termed republican governor at the time). Net out is at about 100K.

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    The cost of a slave compared to a house has no connection to skill level of agricultural work. The supply of slaves and the potential labor output would be much more relevant.
    what's your source on that?

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    I'll dig up mine. Seasoned workers brought a much higher price due to the length of the learning curve.

    Agriculture isn't plug and play.

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    I'll dig up mine. Seaspned workers brought a much higher price due to the length of the learning curve.

    Agriculture isn't plug and play.
    I agree that in our modern tech ubiquitous environment, "back breaking" blue collar work demands more comparative skill (pushing through physical exhaustion, enduring the monotony of the work, working efficiently with all manner of tools, are all "skills") than sitting on your ass coding or running data through an algorithm. 7 year olds can in' code, but are total morons when it comes to using hand tools.
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    We're too busy working our way up that dumb pyramid infographic posted earlier.
    If it's on a pyramid you know it's true.

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    Maybe Derp, Chris, Nathan89, or koriwhat can unpack what Louis Gohmert is talking about.



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    Maybe Derp, Chris, Nathan89, or koriwhat can unpack what Louis Gohmert is talking about.


    Probably implying something about immigration law/open borders.

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    Agriculture isn't plug and play.

    I tried to plug my Bluetooth speaker into a corn cob. No worky.


    Thanks for this wisdom.

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    Contextually that makes no sense, Darrin.

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    It's hard to tell whether you're more glib or dense sometimes.

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    Maybe Derp, Chris, Nathan89, or koriwhat can unpack what Louis Gohmert is talking about.


    lol more homework assignments

    What's your thoughts on the Gohmert piece?

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    Because a rich white girl is the real victim in all this. Darrin gonna Darrin.
    A POC spoke rudely to a pregnant Manhattan fortess dweller.

    Darrin cut right through all the PC bull to the real heart of the problem.

    y Muslims the day after a historic mass slaying.

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    lol more homework assignments

    What's your thoughts on the Gohmert piece?
    it's sideways sympathy for the shooter.

    "The Jewish problem is real, but Hitler's methods were too extreme."

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    "The Jewish problem is real, but Hitler's methods were too extreme."
    "Jews are great. Muslims are great. All that killing is happenstance."

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    Maybe Derp, Chris, Nathan89, or koriwhat can unpack what Louis Gohmert is talking about.


    Sounds like he's saying mass murder isn't the solution to your country allowing people that you don't want there.

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    I'll dig up mine. Seasoned workers brought a much higher price due to the length of the learning curve.

    Agriculture isn't plug and play.
    Of course some people are going to pick more bushels than others which will demand a higher price. That pertains to the labor output. The price of that individual will also be cut drastically if there was a surplus in slaves.

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    Keep going guys, you're doing great.


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    Splitting up is a best case scenario given the trajectory I see for the country.
    Sadly this leads to the divide and conquer scenario which is exactly what Globalists want. The Civil War was intended to divide the country in half, and that's what they want again. If California wants to secede just build the wall twice as high on the Nevada border. They would be begging to come back within a decade.
    The world isn't changing for you guys, you're going to have to adapt to it. There really is no big divide, both the more vocal conservative and liberal factions are actually minorities by themselves.

    Was gonna recommend to catch a plane and go to some more conservative country, but those are either largely anti-democratic (North Korea, China, Russia, etc)...

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    Maid wages would probably depend on the Hotel (I'm sure they get paid more in fancy Hotels vs. a Motel 6). But no matter. Agricultural companies in California offered increased wages and benefits above minimum wage, and the native born Americans didn't show up. Nor did the supposed "unemployed" Midwestern demographic who saw their livelihoods outsourced and are eternally pissed off at foreigners for "takin their jerbs."

    Why does it make more sense to allow skilled people vs. unskilled in the country? That "sensibility" should depend on what the labor market demands. If we're having trouble filling unskilled positions with native born Americans, then allowing them in at a higher rate vs. skilled workers makes more "sense." "But higher skilled and wealth creation!" You don't think reduced labor costs and higher bottom lines for companies increases "wealth creation?"

    In California, at least, kids with STEM degrees are cheap. Finding a kid to do roofing in 100 degree weather for 12 hours is actually more of a rare bird these days.
    Then cut welfare. Sounds like low skill labor is a distribution problem.

    Because I think low skill labor is a distribution problem in this country. While I've been hearing for years that the country needs more stem workers which would point to a supply problem. If that's not true then there is also no need for them either. But yes higher skill people create a better opportunity for industry and job creation. Reduced labor costs is a benefit to the company and a negative to other Americans that compete for them. If we're seeking reduced labor costs then why are we trying to increase minimum wages?

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