New Zealand mosque shooting

[DMC]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/w...-shooting.html

[midnightpulp]

No. One is falsifiable through scientific testing, one is not. Being delusional is not the same as being theist.

The latter two concepts are falsifiable, but simulation theory isn't. As I said, it basically redefines God(s) as a nigh-omnipotent computer programmers. I see no difference between Elon Musk believing in this and a theist believing in the Christian God.

Then you probably have a different way of discriminating between the two. If high Intelligence doesn't give you the ability to suss out bull , what does it do?

As defined by IQ, make connections between seemingly unrelated abstract concepts and things. You can also "intelligence" your way into believing bull and seeing connections, logic and patterns where they might not exist. I don't criticize this quirk of us because living in a coldly rational/logical/scientific world would be extremely boring, i.e. our suspension of disbelief is key to our creative imaginations.

I think it's wrong to put all people from either group into either category. Not all lower intelligence people are believers and not all high intelligence people are atheist. I just don't believe as time goes by and more things are discovered that people will have more belief in supernatural and metaphysical things. The very act discovery itself erodes both of those concepts. I don't necessarily believe the intelligent are more enlightened but seems counterintuitive to think the unintelligent are.

My point really was that I don't think either group is more enlightened than the other. They're still human beings who put their pants on one leg at a time, as the saying goes. I'm simply using this discussion to somewhat examine how we're prone to putting more authority into the words of our "intelligent class" because we collectively overrate the competence of intelligent people. If a beer gutted Bible thumper who never passed high school said, "I think God probably made our universe like a computer programmer makes one of them vidya games" he'd be laughed out of the room. Elon Musk says the same thing and people give the idea credence.

[pgardn]

I don't have any reason to believe something without data or evidence to support it. I haven't looked into it.

I have not looked into it either... and it’s still a question.

[Winehole23]

See how that works?

Great, let's arm all the mosques.

[ElNono]

And you'd still have to take his answer on faith if you accepted it.

Well, no, clearly he would have to prove he is who he claims to be. We're working on the assumption he did prove that, otherwise we wouldn't be calling him Jesus Christ.

[Chris]

Great, let's arm all the mosques.

Hyperbole

[Spurtacular]

Well, no, clearly he would have to prove he is who he claims to be. We're working on the assumption he did prove that, otherwise we wouldn't be calling him Jesus Christ.

Sure. He'll be doing a Power Point for you.

[Winehole23]

Hyperbole

Might be a good idea.

Why be sitting ducks for murdering racist assholes? Be prepared to take them out.

[midnightpulp]

The 'prophecy' part is all irrational. Him showing up, whether it's fulfilling a prophecy or because he's from planet Doom, it's immaterial in so far as why.

If he does show up, you can just ask him. You no longer need faith.

Belief in Christ will always come down to faith, even if he showed up and started performing supernatural miracles like it was going out of style, because you'd have skeptics claiming it's the work of an advanced alien civilization deceiving us, skeptical religious people claiming it's really Satan deceiving us, etc, etc.

[Spurtacular]

Belief in Christ will always come down to faith, even if he showed up and started performing supernatural miracles like it was going out of style, because you'd have skeptics claiming it's the work of an advanced alien civilization deceiving us, skeptical religious people claiming it's really Satan deceiving us, etc, etc.

Basically my point. Elnono's faithless world is as pie in the sky as it comes.

Certainly, as numbers trend his way he'll feel vindicated in his outlook; but that doesn't mean his outlook is "rational".

[midnightpulp]

it was only a matter of time before some redneck brought up the Chicago! ding...

It's kind of funny that Chicago's murder rate is actually the lowest it's been in 40 years.



Be willing to bet gun control was much more lax from 1970-1990 and it obviously was in the 1920s. Doesn't seem like too many "good guys with a gun" were stopping Capone from visiting terror on the city.

[Winehole23]

ing to historic lows.

[ElNono]

Sure. He'll be doing a Power Point for you.

He'll have to demonstrate there's and heaven, and all that. He's supposedly Jesus Christ, shouldn't be much of a problem, at least according to the fantasy version of him.

[ElNono]

Belief in Christ will always come down to faith, even if he showed up and started performing supernatural miracles like it was going out of style, because you'd have skeptics claiming it's the work of an advanced alien civilization deceiving us, skeptical religious people claiming it's really Satan deceiving us, etc, etc.

But it would be rational at that point (that was my claim). It would be tangible, testable and repeatable, fulfilling the scientific process. Whether some crazy/cospira folk think is immaterial to the point.

We know the Earth is round, not because Galileo said so, but because we have repeatable, testable ways to prove that. If some idiots still want to convince themselves it's flat, well that's their prerogative.

[TSA]

It's kind of funny that Chicago's murder rate is actually the lowest it's been in 40 years.



Be willing to bet gun control was much more lax from 1970-1990 and it obviously was in the 1920s. Doesn't seem like too many "good guys with a gun" were stopping Capone from visiting terror on the city.

Glad to hear homicides are on the decline, but it’s still a ing war zone. A person shot every 5 mins 22 sec, that.

https://heyjackass.com

[midnightpulp]

Glad to hear homicides are on the decline, but it’s still a ing war zone. A person shot every 5 mins 22 sec, that.

https://heyjackass.com

Note, I'm not by any means a gun grabber, just that the reference to Chicago by gun-control opponents to illustrate the "failure" of gun control policy isn't supported by facts. My gun control philosophy is: "How do we keep a Nicholas Cruz from waltzing into a gun store and buying an AR-15?"

[Winehole23]

Glad to hear homicides are on the decline, but it’s still a ing war zone. A person shot every 5 mins 22 sec, that.

https://heyjackass.com

9th among big cities in 2018, high, but way behind St.Louis and Baltimore.

[Chris]

Bad people do bad things. They are not going to go away no matter how many laws you write down on paper. Cruz was exceptional because all the signs were there, but the school working with the police department decided not to press charges on previous incidents so they would receive more money. It's pretty simple stuff once you do a little digging past the MSM spin.

[TSA]

Note, I'm not by any means a gun grabber, just that the reference to Chicago by gun-control opponents to illustrate the "failure" of gun control policy isn't supported by facts. My gun control philosophy is: "How do we keep a Nicholas Cruz from waltzing into a gun store and buying an AR-15?"

Chicago even at these lows isn’t a success story regardimg gun control. A fat who weighed 700 pounds and lost 150 pounds is still a fat .

I don’t know if you’ll ever be able to stop a Nicolas Cruz from buying an AR-15. He didn’t have any felonies on his record to get denied during a background check. His mental health problems and prior violence don’t show up on the background check, should they? That’s up for debate and I think both sides of that one have equally valid points. I do think the NICS system needs to be improved a great deal.

[BD24]

They didnt ban guns. They have had mass shootings since. There were none prior. No way to draw cause and effect.

wrong. Multiple links below for you so that you don't complain about source. The closest thing they had was a guy who murdered 2 people and injured another 5. They tightened gun laws even further after that and haven't even had anything that size since. I mentioned originally it wasn't a ban in the sense that you can't own a gun, its just very difficult to as a regular citizen.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN0XP0HG

http://fortune.com/2018/02/20/austra...ntrol-success/

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gu...ralia-updated/

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ontrol/541710/

There was another mass shooting prior, link for that below as well. I'm sure it is all just coincidence that gun violence has declined in Australia as well right? Anyway this is my last post on this as I am not going to argue for the sake of argument. You will either look at the facts and accept it or you wont. Either is fine by me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting#Oceania

[midnightpulp]

The "good guy with a gun" concept is also unfounded.

Here's an impartial presenting of the statistics that show when states enacted right to carry laws, the decline (or e) in gun violence in that state correlated with the national average (or gun violence was already in precipitous decline prior to right-to-carry law enaction), suggesting right-to-carry laws had no measurable effect on gun violence for better or worse (the 80s-90s to 00s national decline had more to do with the decline of the crack epidemic). To clarify, I'm not saying right-to-carry laws should be repealed, just that using the "good guy with a gun" argument as a solution to gun violence can't be backed up by facts. Some example graphs:





https://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

[ElNono]

Bad people do bad things.

Somewhat expect insight here...

[Winehole23]

wrong. Multiple links below for you so that you don't complain about source. The closest thing they had was a guy who murdered 2 people and injured another 5. They tightened gun laws even further after that and haven't even had anything that size since. I mentioned originally it wasn't a ban in the sense that you can't own a gun, its just very difficult to as a regular citizen.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN0XP0HG

http://fortune.com/2018/02/20/austra...ntrol-success/

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gu...ralia-updated/

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ontrol/541710/

There was another mass shooting prior, link for that below as well. I'm sure it is all just coincidence that gun violence has declined in Australia as well right? Anyway this is my last post on this as I am not going to argue for the sake of argument. You will either look at the facts and accept it or you wont. Either is fine by me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting#Oceania

DMC has the always being right disease. He'll never admit he's wrong.

[Spurs Homer]

Finally saw that video...

what a piece of .

One barbaric thing we could do for these types of killers -

is allow

TORTURE

and film it.

It would sure send a message to any of these mass murderers.

A good slow torture lasting weeks - until death.

[BD24]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/w...-shooting.html

I knew you were gonna use that goalpost move. Always using semantics. No one thinks about a crazy ass dad murdering his family when they hear mass shooting. Unfortunately no laws are going to prevent that.

What these laws are meant to prevent is large shootings in public places. They have done just that in Australia.