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    Barr's memo of June '18

    Bill Barr’s Very Strange Memo on Obstruction of Justice


    one thing attorneys general of the United States should certainly not do is make up facts.

    And ironically for a memo laying out the argument that Bob Mueller has made up a crime to investigate, the do ent is based entirely on made-up facts. Lederman mentions this point at the outset of his analysis:

    the first huge and striking problem with Barr’s memo is that he unjustifiably makes countless assumptions about what Mueller is doing;

    about Mueller’s purported “theory” of presidential criminal culpability;

    about Mueller’s “sweeping” and “all-encompassing” “interpretation” of the statute and Cons ution;

    about “Mueller’s core premise[s]”; . . . about “unprecedented” steps Mueller is proposing to take;

    about “Mueller’s proposed regime”; about “Mueller’s immediate target”;

    about Mueller’s presumed failure to “provide a standard” for what cons utes “corruptly” trying to impede proceedings;

    about Mueller’s “demands” that the President submit to interrogation; etc.


    To read this memo, you’d think Barr were replying to a legal brief that Mueller had submitted in support of a prosecution of the President for obstruction of a federal proceeding.

    Yet as

    Barr concedes at the outset, he was “in the dark about many facts.”

    Indeed, he presumably was “in the dark” about virtually everything he wrote about.

    From all that appears,

    Barr was simply conjuring from whole cloth a preposterously long set of assumptions

    about how Special Counsel Mueller was adopting extreme and unprecedented-within-DOJ views about every pertinent question and investigatory decision—and

    that Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein was allowing him to do so,

    despite the fact that Mueller is required to “comply with the rules, regulations, procedures, practices and policies of the Department of Justice” and

    to “consult with appropriate offices within the Department for guidance with respect to established practices, policies and procedures of the Department.”


    Indeed, it is not an exaggeration to say that

    Barr’s entire memo is predicated on two broad assumptions:

    first, that he knows Mueller’s legal theory, and

    second, that he understands the fact pattern Mueller is investigating.

    “It appears Mueller’s team is investigating a possible case of ‘obstruction’ by the President predicated substantially on his expression of hope that the Comey

    [sic] could eventually ‘let ... go’ of its investigation of Flynn and his action in firing Comey,” Barr writes in his second paragraph.


    https://www.lawfareblog.com/bill-barrs-very-strange-memo-obstruction-justice

    iow, Barr should have recused himself, but legal ethics are anathema to Repugs, and Barr is 100% suspect as Repug political shill



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    The emphasis on legal hazard is overrated. Short of legal culpability what the investigation reveals might be fairly serious problems for the USA and for Trump.
    Another gap

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    Trump needn't be guilty or even indictable for anything for Mueller's report to pose a serious political threat to him.

    Consciousness of that is one reason his backers are spinning so hard before word one has been revealed. The gloss that no further indictments amounts to exoneration is premature and might not be sustained.
    More warnings and forecasting.

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    LOL at the usual suspects praying for the W8NC.

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    Yeah, the entire right wing spin is in full force - maybe Barr is also complicit in this - as he probably leaked to the right wingers - some stuff (leaking good now!)

    and that last trump interview - trump already knew and he was upset about something (hence the mccain attacks) - and he was happy/confident about something (hence his pre-spinning of "defending myself - is NOT obstruction of justice or abuse of power")

    but I knew Barr was a piece of and Congress is pretty spineless - so only Mueller's non-indictable - but impeachable conclusions are what is left now.


    and the SDNY and other jurisdictions...
    Insatiable left wing ideologue at the bottom of the barrel right about now.

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    More warnings and forecasting.
    The investigation is already a problem for Trump.

    We'll see what we will see, your tendency to minimize everything is advance is a well established pattern.

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    Insatiable left wing ideologue at the bottom of the barrel right about now.
    If the market listed W8N8 and shares were sold for hopes and prayers, it'd be the biggest boom ever.

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    The investigation is already a problem for Trump.

    We'll see what we will see, your tendency to minimize everything is advance is a well established pattern.
    Minimize what exactly, forecasting?

    This entire thing as been Al Capone's vault.

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    You minimize six felony raps and the hazard the report may still pose to Trump and others well short of criminal indictment.

    Pretending nothing has happened yet is itself spin.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 03-23-2019 at 11:54 AM.

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    Who said nothing happened??

    There was no collusion or obstruction of Justice. And Mueller agrees. That's all that matters. That's it and that's all. Time to move on

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    Calling it now

    If the demo s don't give this up they will be handing Trump the 2020 presidency on a platter

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    You minimize six felony raps and the hazard the report may still pose to Trump and others well short of criminal indictment.

    Pretending nothing has happened yet is itself spin.
    When you have something other than forecasting and warnings, I'll be more interested. You seem just as concerned about nothing as you do about something.

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    You got nothing and you're still talking.

    Lol still pretending like nothing has happened yet.

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    Lol pretending Trumps presidency is in trouble

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    Trump will get through this; I was always in the camp that the focus needed to be on beating him at the ballot box in 2020.

    Pretending the Mueller report poses no political threat to Trump, his family and members of his administration is pure wishcasting, no different from posters who assumed there would be criminal indictments.
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    Trump will get through this; I was always in the camp that the focus needed to be on beating him at the ballot box in 2020.

    Pretending the Mueller report poses no political threat to Trump, his family and members of his administration is pure wishcasting, no different from posters who assumed there would be criminal indictments.
    How does the Mueller report pose a threat to Trump??

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    Dunno, depends on what's in the report.

    Could be something, could be nothing.

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    So far what's come out poses no threat.

    Pretending anything else is pure speculation.

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    So far what's come out poses no threat.

    Pretending anything else is pure speculation.
    What has come out from the actual report?

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    So far what's come out poses no threat.

    Pretending anything else is pure speculation.
    Nothing's come out.

    It's TSA's all over this thread that has spun so many pages.

    Literally all that has been announced is that Mueller handed his report in and some fat guy is reading it right now and will provide details at a later date.

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    beating him at the ballot box in 2020.
    that's a minimum.

    but if Trash and his family escape with no serious legal/financial punishment, any pretense that America is an law-abiding nation, a nation of laws, a Christian, ethical nation will be forever proved BULL . But American already bull s itself with self-congratulating myths.
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    Nothing's come out.

    It's TSA's all over this thread that has spun so many pages.

    Literally all that has been announced is that Mueller handed his report in and some fat guy is reading it right now and will provide details at a later date.
    the premature ejaculation in this thread is hilarious but predictable. Following orders from their Fuehrer tbh

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    The biggest threat to Trump 2020 is his asinine Twitter posts. He is a ing embarrassment to himself and is just too ing stupid to realize it.

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    Lol talking to the Russian ambassador. How dare he. Issue was that he did not disclose it. Dumb but not criminal

    There is nothing to act on as there was no crimes committed. Sure they can try to impeach a president for anything like having orange hair but they wil be handing 2020 to repugs if they do that
    I’m not saying there was criminal conduct, that’s something Mueller knows. Clearly he tough it was specious enough to lie about it. However, being this was a Russian collusion investigation, he obviously was a guy that had direct dealings with Russian government officials, that’s what I’m pointing out.

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    The last vestige of hope for Russian truthers. Maybe someone can find something when the Mueller report gets released. Maybe Mueller missed something? Maybe Mueller dropped clues for other people to investigate?

    "Mueller's gambit"

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