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Adam Schiff certainly came out looking like an idiot.
Nancy comes out of this looking like a true statesman. How will the democrat voter base respond to her more job focused approach?
How do you feel about it?
Adam Schiff certainly came out looking like an idiot.
"Cows technically don't fart"
yeah...Schiff is the idiot
Mitch and Nancy were made for each other.
They are both pretty much self preservation types who only intervene when they know they are safe.
They both are politically brilliant, and thats not a complement.
He gambled and lost.
He took the line that there is too much coincidence in the way Trump behaved, and how one might behave if in bed with Russians.
Failing to recognize how reckless Trump is without thinking, was a big mistake by Adam Ant. Collusion requires some real patience and thinking and at the time the chances of it actually working were so slim.
I wonder where Trump is currently on the Russians interfering in our elections. The thought that this MIGHT have swayed an election is so utterly galling to him...
False equivalence. McConnell is the one who completely broke Washington after the scary negro got in office.
If Nancy sees the political opportunity with Trump she will jump on it in a second imo. It's about judging what you have to back you up. And Mitch got it right. If you think Pelosi has some higher moral value about an actual working government under Republican rule I don't agree. If she judges that the opportunity is right, she WILL disrupt.
As far as starting to break government we might actually go back to the last Democratic Senate leader, Harry Reid.
I asked questions about Nancy Pelosi and I get comments about Adam Schiff and Mitch McConnell.
What do you expect?
That’s a surprise on this board like you’ve never done it...
If you can’t see the similarities and differences in political figures to give some sense of relative behavior of the time that’s your problem.
So make an argument out of the red team being more moral and smarter in the blue team.
Show us another wacked IQ graph.
Nancy is trying to be the sane adult in her party as the alternative to AOC and the other newbie whackos.
Bull , stop normalizing McConnell, he is the most cancerous thing in American politics in at least 50 years. In Obama's two terms McConnell filibustered more Obama appointments than had been filibustered in the history of the nation before. Then he decided Obama didn't have the authority to nominate Supreme Court candidates for a vote despite President Scary Negro compromising from the beginning with a nominee Garland who the GOP had been asking him to nominate before. Yeah Pelosi is an obstructionist now, but why shouldn't she be now that McConnell has made it the new normal? The GOP doesn't get to have a working government when they're in majority power after sabotaging it when the minority.
Turnabout is fair play.
The chances of Republicans playing nice if they lose in 2020 is approximately zero.
I think she's right that impeachment is a blind alley, but I also think her donor-facing, establishmentarian bent could hurt her own party in the upcoming elections.
Anodyne, middle of the road statemanship doesn't work as well in elections when everyone's pissed off at government. DJT is living proof.
The GOP opened the door to crazy, no telling what we'll get next.
The chances of Republicans playing nice if they win in 2020 is approximately zero.
I remember when dubya scraped into his 2nd term by the smallest margin EVER for an in bent (and only because Blackwell/OH's counting fraud), Repugs were being labeled "sore winners"
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Pelotudosi is an ancient swamp monster
She's doing ancient swamp monster thangs
Mueller reportedly wants Congress to decide if Trump obstructed justice
Barr's letter "leaves the distinct sense that
Mueller's detailed accounting of the president's potential acts of obstruction is significant," and
"that may well be the point,"
An obvious reason Mueller, "being barred from indicting the president,"
would
lay out an extensive case for and against criminal obstruction
but not give his prosecutorial opinion is that
he's "teed up the question of presidential obstruction for evaluation by a different actor — to wit, by Congress."
Barr's letter actually "seems to suggest that
Trump may have done impeachment-worthy things,
but not prosecution-related things,"
https://theweek.com/speedreads/831161/mueller-reportedly-wants-congress-decide-trump-obstructed-justice
Mueller set the bar for collusion very high
and
Barr set the definition of obstruction extremely narrow
Congress is not bound by either Mueller or Barr.
Boo still jacking off to impeachment fantasies.
Was looking like an idiot all along; but I don't think that matters to them. It's about the bottom line.
Normalizing.
Thats BS.
Harry Reid started with the judge thing by going nuclear. You need to get that straight.
McConnell has taken the next step up by openly declaring he would sabotage a president's agenda. Because he said it this makes him worse?
Thats BS.
If the GOP does not have a working government they will not be elected. Our government could be said to be working surprisingly well despite the fact we have a lying megalomaniac at the helm. If anything this could demonstrate the power of our ins utions. (This is said with the belief that our gap in income will catch up with us imo) Pelosi has more in common with McConnell than she has with Schiff.
Bottom line is I dont like it either. But these things have roots that lead back to older agendas. And Im not going to make a hero out of Pelosi because she is a saavy operator. This business requires a very strong sense of self preservation at the expense of others. Including those in your own party.
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No he took a stand that looks bad right now.
This is not over.
But he took a stand. I happen to think it was incorrect, but in 20 years... We might find out quite a bit about the lying child we have as a leader.
Schiff is a big boy. He had to know it was a stretch unless he has a completely different definition of collusion. Trump still might be compromised to some extent given his huge debt in the past and the dirty ways he played with it. I could see this idiot being the first president to spend his retirement days in Russia getting paid as a megaphone for the weakness of US democracy. Give him a TV show.
You need to get your facts straight. Harry Reid didn't do that until late 2013 while McConnell was the senate minority and then majority leader since Day 1 of the Obama presidency and filibustered practically everything from the very start.
Because he did it and made it the new normal makes him the worst thing we have seen in Washington in decades.
The only thing this government has been productive in is McConnell rushing right wing judges through confirmation after slowing things to a crawl in the Obama presidency.
No one is making her out to be a hero. I'm pointing out she is not the one who broke our government. That's McConnell. I'm pointing out she never did anything as undemocratic as McConnell did when he stole Obama's Supreme Court appointment. These are the kind of both sides false equivalences I'd expect to hear out of the mouths of Trump or Hannity. The both sides talk is right wing propaganda for normalizing the bas who is killing (maybe has killed) the US federal government.
McConnell had the power to do that. Reid took a very drastic step to change a rule that led to very little compromise required on assigning judges.
That is not something to be taken lightly. Did McConnell change the rules to begin with? McConnell is the SAME GUY who urged the president not to use the powers of a silly National Emergency. Why would he even take this risk knowing he could expose himself and basically did?
And I will make this point. The new normal that could be the scariest is people not calling out a guy that is making lying OK if you win with it.
This is by far the most dangerous new normal. Attempt to Neuter the press and lie. But I cant really say if it is normalized. It is with idiots like Chris, Spurter.
Tell me how much compromise there was with McConnell before Reid changed the rules. Once the scary negro got inaugurated McConnell threw compromise completely out the window and it's never coming back because now the left (well really the American Tories) is just as pissed and is willing to follow McConnell's example in obstructing everything they can. Which they should.
LMAO at McConnell urging the president and then doing nothing to stop him when he absolutely could have by getting 67 votes to override our Dear Leader's veto.
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Next you're going to tell me Ben Sasse, Jeff Flake, and Bob Corker were anti-Trump too because of their words?
McConnell did this because he knew it could play imo. He is very astute and knew the lingering anger of the white guy that thinks he has been done wrong. And then Obama possibly being more interested in his own popularity rather than his party. Im not condoning the fact that McConnell used the black man to foster the narrative of the middle class white guy losing ground economically, like Obama had somehow lifted up people of color at white expense.
What I am saying is that Democrats taking a rule changing step has now been used against them. So this means the blue team gotta play dirtier?
I dont believe this. Call Trump for what he is. But making up... People that vote for Trump and his ilk know he is lying, but they dont care as long as their prescriptions for a better white society are followed. And then of course the trickle down crap that the red team still believes.
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