Coach Pop Still Looks Like He's Enjoying Coaching

[GreekSpursfan]

KD is as much of a beta as DD.

Are you seriously comparing KD with DD? Really?

[GreekSpursfan]

Dude,did you just try to make an argument about Euroleague's payroll using NBA team's payroll as a measuring stick?

That has to be one of the most ignorant things i've read in here.

I am one of those guys who have watched European basketball for 25 years and as apparently you are not one of those guys i have absolutely nothing to discuss with you.

In conclusion.
The best coach in Euroleague is one of Pop's best friends outside the NBA.His name is Zelico Obradovic.He has won 9 Euroleague trophies in the same time period as Messina's 4.He mostly had teams with half of Messina's budget.And he outcoached him in multiple occasions.And those are facts friend.Check them out if you don't believe me.

He's not his best friend, you went a little too far there buddy, Pop just likes him a lot. I agree with the rest of your point though.

[Pavlov]

So one Euro coach is better than Messina.

Wow.

[Atl Spur]

Uncle is the only reason this team is not a contender. Can Pop convince KD to come here instead of the NY markets, thats the only way to become legit contenders again other than tanking to get the cornerstone piece.

I’d take that bet from you; the Spurs will be back contender soon with or without KD.

[GreekSpursfan]

I’d take that bet from you; the Spurs will be back contender soon with or without KD.

With the current roster there is no way they can contend but with some moves and drafting well and further developing the young pieces they have, sure but it's gonna take some time, it won't be soon.

[exstatic]

Are you seriously comparing KD with DD? Really?

Mentally? Sure. Beta is a state of mind. You can't ever bear the mantle of "the man".

[Atl Spur]

With the current roster there is no way they can contend but with some moves and drafting well and further developing the young pieces they have, sure but it's gonna take some time, it won't be soon.

In my estimation, 2 or 3 years at the most. They just need some defensive dogs! It’s coming......

[8FOR!3]

Dude most teams really don't know what they're doing, if a Spurs assistant is available then they'll get a look somewhere. It's pretty much a guarantee imo that Messina, Becky, and Udoka will be NBA head coaches at some point. Their successes I can't guarantee.

[GusT15]

He's not his best friend, you went a little too far there buddy, Pop just likes him a lot. I agree with the rest of your point though.

I meant friends of the basketball world,hence why i said outside the NBA (otherwise i'd say outside the US).My oversight.

[GusT15]

So one Euro coach is better than Messina.

Wow.

When Messina was brought over he was labelled as a European Bball mastermind,the Popovich of basketball on the other side of the Atlantic.Am i wrong?

Based on that reputation,many people here expect him to even take over from Pop,to be the next in line,and then to actually be successful as an NBA Head Coach.

If that is actually a misconception (and it is) you don't see any value on trying to argue what his actual coaching value is?
There are some people here that view him as an equal coach to Bud,Spo,Snyder or Doc.The man is the European Tyronn Lue.
If you feel at ease with Ty Lue at the helm,by all means,pay no attention to what i'm saying.

[GreekSpursfan]

When Messina was brought over he was labelled as a European Bball mastermind,the Popovich of basketball on the other side of the Atlantic.Am i wrong?

Based on that reputation,many people here expect him to even take over from Pop,to be the next in line,and then to actually be successful as an NBA Head Coach.

If that is actually a misconception (and it is) you don't see any value on trying to argue what his actual coaching value is?
There are some people here that view him as an equal coach to Bud,Spo,Snyder or Doc.The man is the European Tyronn Lue.
If you feel at ease with Ty Lue at the helm,by all means,pay no attention to what i'm saying.

I have to disagree there, he's better than T.Lue because he can actually teach some things but we can't compare him with the names you gave because he hasn't taken over an NBA team yet.
I agree that he's not some bball genius though.
As for Bud, Doc i consider them a little bit overrated and some other time i will elaborate on that.

[RC_Drunkford]

KD is as much of a beta as DD.

not on a basketball court

[Bynumite]

CIA Poop already making plans for Trumps re-election Another 4 years of 1st round exits and using the spurs as a platform for political commentary

[Pavlov]

When Messina was brought over he was labelled as a European Bball mastermind,the Popovich of basketball on the other side of the Atlantic.Am i wrong?

Based on that reputation,many people here expect him to even take over from Pop,to be the next in line,and then to actually be successful as an NBA Head Coach.

If that is actually a misconception (and it is) you don't see any value on trying to argue what his actual coaching value is?
There are some people here that view him as an equal coach to Bud,Spo,Snyder or Doc.The man is the European Tyronn Lue.
If you feel at ease with Ty Lue at the helm,by all means,pay no attention to what i'm saying.

I probably won't pay attention to anything you say post after that tbh.

[exstatic]

not on a basketball court

Sure he is. That’s why he had to run off and join the already in progress New Superfriends.

[MultiTroll]

Props to Pop for helping change what looked like impending disaster.

Twice this year the Pop Spurs have reversed course on what seemed like a season ending downer.
11-14 after a loss to the LA Flamers.
33-29 before this current 10-2 streak.

While I'm not interested in seeing another 1st Round ouster, this reg season has been a good turnaround.

[GusT15]

I have to disagree there, he's better than T.Lue because he can actually teach some things but we can't compare him with the names you gave because he hasn't taken over an NBA team yet.
I agree that he's not some bball genius though.
As for Bud, Doc i consider them a little bit overrated and some other time i will elaborate on that.

My comparison was based on the parallels of needing the best player on the court to win it all (Lebron for Lue,Rigodeau-or however it was spelled,Ginobili etc for Messina) and his biggest asset being his good relations with his players instead of X's and O's.
I wasn't talking about coaching value and experience between the two.It was a different kind of analogy.

And it's up for debate what are Bud's and Doc's coaching weaknesses of course,just saying they are on another level in comparison.

[phxspurfan]

yeah them millions help dont they

[GusT15]

I probably won't pay attention to anything you say post after that tbh.

That's okay Chump,when you've been around for 15+ years like yourself with 200k posts,or whatever number you're on,and having read about 10 million quotes,it's normal that it's all the same to you,i get it.

Just,when Messina gets his next HC job,and he gets fired mid season,like he was in Real Madrid,or when he leaves as a complete failure,like he left after his second stint at Moscow,maybe,just maybe you'll see my point of view.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

When Messina was brought over he was labelled as a European Bball mastermind,the Popovich of basketball on the other side of the Atlantic.Am i wrong?

Based on that reputation,many people here expect him to even take over from Pop,to be the next in line,and then to actually be successful as an NBA Head Coach.

If that is actually a misconception (and it is) you don't see any value on trying to argue what his actual coaching value is?
There are some people here that view him as an equal coach to Bud,Spo,Snyder or Doc.The man is the European Tyronn Lue.
If you feel at ease with Ty Lue at the helm,by all means,pay no attention to what i'm saying.

You were doing quite OK until the last bit about Lue. Having to come up with something so ridiculous to make your point speaks poorly about its validity tbh.

[GusT15]

You were doing quite OK until the last bit about Lue. Having to come up with something so ridiculous to make your point speaks poorly about its validity tbh.

Meh,i've explained a couple posts upwards where that analogy comes from in my eyes.

Also in a subject that i had to deal with comparisons between a salary cap league like the NBA and salary cap-less league like the Euroleague,as far as coach success goes,i resorted to extreme lengths to find a plausible head coach to compare him with.

Was looking for a HC that has won the le,he won with the best player on the court/league/compe ion,his game tactics were irrelevant,he has lost the le afterwards with the same team without providing a tactical advantage,got the job cause his best player wanted him to have it,and he was fired when his team wasn't winning soon after that.

With those parameters one name popped in mind,no matter how much a joke of a coach Lue is.
(Again those are comparisons based on what Messina has done in Europe as he hasn't coached a team in the NBA)

[ElNono]

Blame a guy named Kawhi Leonard. He ed this franchise but good.

The team is only a handful of wins away from the top of the bracket. The west sucks to play in right now. But yeah, this is no fun, but probably better than years of Phoenix Suns-style lottery picks and wreckage.

I mean, honestly, the way this league is set up the best scenarios are:

A) Be a contender (this roster is not it)

B) Be tanking to land a top 3 pick and hope you get a generational talent, or at least young promising assets you can develop and eventually have a good trade value (clearly a longer process)

The good-enough-to-be-first-round-fodder-but-miss-good-picks is really the worst place to be.

Heck, we did B) to land Duncan.

Teams like Phoenix are more of an aberration, tbh, especially since Sarver is a well known terrible owner. You can look at teams like the Nets or even Philly for counterpoints to that.

[GusT15]

I should have done this earlier.
In conclusion to my argument i'll try to provide some context to what i'm saying and then i'll not revisit the subject again.

I'm not gonna bring as an example a year where a Messina powerhouse lost the le.I'll instead delve into 2008 and his last le run.

These are the budgets of the Euroleague in 2008.(in US$)

Baltic:
Zalgiris Kaunas (Euroleague) 7,000,000
Lietuvos Rytas (Euroleague) 11,000,000
Turof (Polish team) 5,460,000
Alba Berlin 9,360,000
Dynamo Kiev 11,000,000
Adriatic:
Montepaschi Siena (Euroleague) 17,160,000
Virtus Bologna (Euroleague) 14,000,000
Lyon Villeurbanne 7,500,000
Cibona Zagreb (Euroleague) 4,680,000
Olimpia (Euroleague) 3,120,000
Spain:
Real Madrid (Euroleague) 39,000,000
FC AXA Barcelona (Euroleague) 34,320,000
Tau Vitoria (Euroleague) 31,200,000
Badalona 12,480,000
Unicaja Malaga (Euroleague) 28,080,000
Russia:
CSKA Moscow (Euroleague) 50,000,000
Kimki 18,000,000
Dynamo Moscow 20,000,000
Unix(Russian) 14,000,000
Dynamo Moscow region 14,000,000
Balkans:
Panathinaikos Athens (Euroleague) 42,120,000
Olympiakos Piraeus (Euroleague) 35,880,000
Aris TT Bank (Euroleague) 12,480,000
Partizan Belgrade (Euroleague) 4,680,000
Red Star Belgrade (Euroleague) 3,120,000
Asia:
Maccabi Tel Aviv (Euroleague)16,000,000
Hapoel Jerusalem 5,000,000
Efes Pilsen (Euroleague) 12,000,000
Fenerbahce Istanbul (Euroleague) 11,000,000
Besictas Istanbul 6,000,000

Source: http://ballineurope.com/budgets-of-b...ubs-in-europe/

In the final we had a team with a 50mil budget vs a team with a 16mil budget.

Guess who won?

https://www.euroleague.net/main/resu...asoncode=E2007

Now take that and reverse it to more than 10 years of the team with the lesser budget beating a Messina team.
That's where the narrative Spurfans bought in and still believe goes wrong.
And i rest my case.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I should have done this earlier.
In conclusion to my argument i'll try to provide some context to what i'm saying and then i'll not revisit the subject again.


Maccabi Tel Aviv (Euroleague)16,000,000
Hapoel Jerusalem 5,000,000

Now take that and reverse it to more than 10 years of the team with the lesser budget beating a Messina team.
That's where the narrative Spurfans bought in and still believe goes wrong.
And i rest my case.

[GusT15]

Well this explains a lot.

How many times did you read this? Is it like a life guide for you?

You wonderful Gay bas ,you!