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And all three will be on rookie contracts. Not bad for rebuilding on the fly.
Sportswriters look at advanced stats now more than ever before, so if D White is leading all PGs in DRPM at the end of the season I think that bodes well for him. Plus he'll have the advantage of being the "insider's pick," a lesser known name that excels under the radar-- that appeals to sportswriters and broadcasters.
And all three will be on rookie contracts. Not bad for rebuilding on the fly.
Backcourt next season with Derrick White @ PG and Dejounte Murray @ the 2 guard. Pop can mix and mingle but, the defense of those two is going to be on wheels.
They’re talking All D, which is only two teams, 10 guys. FWIW, I think they’re wrong, and he’ll get voted on one of the teams. He passes both the eye test, and the analytics test.
The weirdest part is that you really can't give White any credit. He's averaging 4 assists a game in his 1st year starting. It's not like it's a reach to think he can average 1 more assist a game in the future. Also he is averaging 10 points a game on only 8 shots a game. I think he can up his scoring average to 15 once LMA starts to decline. I assume that Murray will be taking all of Bryn's shots so I'm not expecting White to average more than 12 and 4 next year. But in years 3 and 4 he will (if healthy) be putting up those averages that you want.
White is also three years older
All of this gets easy if Murray has learned how to shoot 3-pointers while he's been off.
There’s no All NBA Third team so it’s only 4 guards but yeah I just don’t see it happen. I really hope so though
The NBA All-Defensive team award only picks two teams of five each, first team and second team, 10 players total.
The All-NBA award picks three teams of five each, 15 players total.
We'll see. But until it happens he's not a "terror".
When the has Instagram baller ever come close to that? But yeah let's just give him the reins because he had a season in 17-18 that wasn't even as good as White's this year. That's fair
You're comparing apples to oranges. DRPM last year, for all the top defensive PGs not just Murray, was higher than it is this year. He wouldn't crack a 3+ DRPM in this year's NBA.
Instagram baller had really good perimeter defenders in Green and Fathead playing alongside him. Those guys were good defenders before him and are good defenders after him. White has DeRozan and Forbes. Lol at this notion that he was somehow the guy responsible for the Spurs solid defense last season.
Two years older but so what? If in two years you want to revisit this fine, but as of right now White is unquestionably the better defender and player.
Better shooter, playmaker, finisher, higher IQ. The gap isn't huge, but White is definitely the better player right now.
why not have both. you can play them together, have the great on ball defender AND the great passing lane defender sharing the floor. brilliant!
I just don't get this impulse to pit teammates against each other... The Spurs, by any standard, did a damned good job of drafting late in the first round two years in a row-- why turn it into an either/or situation? They're both combo guards and in a pinch both could play three positions. Makes so much more sense to me to be celebrating the scouting department of the team rather than ting on one player or the other.
No the weirdest part is that you want to crown him the starter outright without seeing how compe ion plays out in the offseason and next preseason as if his numbers now were so clear and away better than DJ's from last years when they're not. It's just clear that he's too inconsistent on the offensive end to anoint him. His D is great and he definitely has promise but I just think expectations need to be tempered.
True but he's a natural PG and is built like a PG. He has the height of a two-guard but he needs to bulk up to be a true SG. Then again frail Bryn Forbes is ostensibly operating as a two-guard but he's one of the worst starting two guards in the league, if not the worst. But really, a big appeal of Murray is how he can bully most opposing PGs with his size. That would be gone if he started as SG. Those are just facts.
Instagram baller is a natural PG?
i want them both to start. So you're talking out of your ass on that one. I've said from the get go that I want both to start and be the best defensive duo in the NBA. Also yeah he's inconsistent but let's not pretend that Murray was ever consistent on the offensive side of the ball. He consistently passed up open jumpers. My expectations need to be tempered? Bc I said he can average 1 more assist a game than he is already averaging. And bc I say he can score 5 more points a game when he will be a more focal point of the offense in a couple of years? I guess that's anointing somebody... Weird though for a Manu fan to care so much about points per game...
If Murray starts as the PG, given the current line up the SG would likely be White or Forbes, whom the pairing would just switch around if Murray is playing SG. Just to let you know, there is no rules in NBA to say that PG can only guard PG, White was assigned to guard Kawhi who is supposed to be SF/PF. Thus the opposing team would just assign whoever they think is the appropriate defender to guard Murray regardless of his position. It would be the same as who would be handling the ball in offense.
LOL, but you want to give White the reins off his current season where he scored a whopping 4 points the other day and 3 points a few days before? TF?! My point is that no one of the two VERY promising players is running away with the starting job for next season.When the has Instagram baller ever come close to that? But yeah let's just give him the reins because he had a season in 17-18 that wasn't even as good as White's this year. That's fair
Now you're just putting words in my mouth or misinterpreting me just for the sake of talking down to someone to make you feel better about yourself. I'd like them both to start too but DeRozan is NOT a natural wing player and he's going to remain on this team for the foreseeable future. And as much as I'd like both White and DeRozan to start, I'm not sure either would have enough offense or the build to be a two guard for a whole NBA season. There are so many factors to consider that couldn't possibly be determined until the offseason and next preseason when Pop can set goals for them. That's what I mean by tempering expectations. This isn't a ing video game. And by the way, Manu has one of top 70 PERS of all-time and would've scored a lot more points had he not sacrificed his role to fit Pop's plans for the team long-term.
I just tuned in. We had an 8 point lead two minutes ago. Now tie game and we can't hold on to the ball. I guess I'll turn the game off, and maybe...
Lol your direct quote was saying that I annoited and crowned him. And also your direct quote was saying you don't think he can average 15 and 5 a game. Nothing to misinterpret.
I actually have faith in DeRozan bc he's such a gym rat. He shot well in the corner 3 in Toronto last year and I see no reason why he can't do so again with a year under Chip. DeRozan might not be a natural wing but I think he can play Bruce Bowen (corner 3) enough to not up the spacing too much. I also think that Derrick and DJ will be improved shooters in 2 years time (white next year and DJ the year after). So the spacing won't be as doomsday as people predict.
Also I'm ok with the spacing if you can dribble and create your own shot. Which all 3 can do. As long as you combine it with shut down defense. Our problem last year was that nobody could dribble and create their own shot or for others, but we still were ok bc of our defense. If we can keep the defense but add 3 players who can penetrate and create then I see us being just fine in the future. But I'm an optimist like that...
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