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    The team seems to lack a bit of belief / direction at times. And there is no apparent clear and consistent TEAM leader on the floor, other than Patty, whose basketball game leadership skills are nothing more than a bunch of good intentions on steroids. Not enough i'm afraid. Although young, Murray seems to bring that fire in him. White has some of that too (give the bloke a break on his first year and he is looking a little lost out there too right now. He has been carrying two "all stars" for most of the season). I liked what I saw of Walker too. Spurs are all about the next Gen right now.

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    Why not use him to fill a position of need instead? It's like saying, nah let's keep Hill for when Enrique inevitably chokes instead of using him to get Nephew.
    If Dijon shows he has, indeed, improved his 3-ball, then he will be a very good SG alongside White. I would rather keep those guys and move Dumbmar for 3 & D wing.

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    Spurs do not have to "move" anyone, we have two picks in this draft

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    Easily one of LMA's worst games this year and maybe in the last three years. Really strange effort from him at times. Wonder if he was just under the weather but played anyway on Manu's night to help get the victory.

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    If Dijon shows he has, indeed, improved his 3-ball, then he will be a very good SG alongside White. I would rather keep those guys and move Dumbmar for 3 & D wing.
    You keep acting like DeMar wouldn't be able to fit in playing all star minutes with a future starting quality rookie 3. Demar is starting to slow enough age wise that he is matching up as 3 as often or as equally well as a 2 and its honestly very common around age 30 for nba players on the largwr side height wise to move down a position especially based on match up. This year I see as being just about peak possible minutea from DeMar and we would honestly want 3 to 5 less per game. A good off season has Bryn or Patty moving (probably Forbes easier contract to move other teams see development potential) draft sf of the future, white & murray provide play making mills and walker other 2 guard spots. Our other draft spot probably goes for a development big who plays mostly in austin. Cunningham gone. Pull third stringer big from the annual pile.

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    You keep acting like DeMar wouldn't be able to fit in playing all star minutes with a future starting quality rookie 3. Demar is starting to slow enough age wise that he is matching up as 3 as often or as equally well as a 2 and its honestly very common around age 30 for nba players on the largwr side height wise to move down a position especially based on match up. This year I see as being just about peak possible minutea from DeMar and we would honestly want 3 to 5 less per game. A good off season has Bryn or Patty moving (probably Forbes easier contract to move other teams see development potential) draft sf of the future, white & murray provide play making mills and walker other 2 guard spots. Our other draft spot probably goes for a development big who plays mostly in austin. Cunningham gone. Pull third stringer big from the annual pile.
    No, I keep acting like I would prefer to spend $27MM on a less ball-dominant, legit SF who can play better defense and shoot the 3 better than Dumbmar.

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    No, I keep acting like I would prefer to spend $27MM on a less ball-dominant, legit SF who can play better defense and shoot the 3 better than Dumbmar.
    So in your opinion how much should someone who is averaging better than 20-5-5 make under the current cba in todays market? His defense hasn't been great but has been adequate and I am not quite willing tobsay hee has been overly ball dominate most times. DeMar or Aldridge would both be fine as the Robin next to someone elses Batman. Neither one is mentally suited to lead a team it seems. That causes some problems when there simply isn't another clear leadership player on the team. Murray isn't ready but might be in 2 years and Mills as lower tier journeyman player can lead a locker room or practice but can't carry the team in times of malaise.

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    So in your opinion how much should someone who is averaging better than 20-5-5 make under the current cba in todays market? His defense hasn't been great but has been adequate and I am not quite willing tobsay hee has been overly ball dominate most times. DeMar or Aldridge would both be fine as the Robin next to someone elses Batman. Neither one is mentally suited to lead a team it seems. That causes some problems when there simply isn't another clear leadership player on the team. Murray isn't ready but might be in 2 years and Mills as lower tier journeyman player can lead a locker room or practice but can't carry the team in times of malaise.
    20-5-5 are just numbers, and tbh, not really numbers that I care about. I don’t know who has put up those numbers or what kind of company that places DeMar in. Manu and Tony are not in that club, though, and we won with them. DeMar and LMA are both second bananas, and to my mind not great bargains. We are currently experiencing a leadership vacuum that began to concern me a couple of years ago, when it was clear that the mantle would pass to Patty, and (as you note) he is not up to the on-court component of the task. Murray has shown some impressive leadership tendencies that might ripen into more mature leadership skills. In actual on-court play, White has shown flashes of very good floor generalship. Whether either of these young guys will become an all-around leader remains to be seen. Or could they possibly clash over team leadership? That concern lurks in the back of my mind. I personally do not see either LMA or DeMar getting there. Nor do I see the Spurs importing a leader from the outside. So, we shall have to wait for next season, at least.

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    Those number along with steals and blocks in the NBA are what contracts are negotiated from. Those numbers tell us that Demar is one of the 50 best basketball players in the world right now and deserves a max or near max contract. DeMar this year has played adequate defense not all world or even good but he has been average to above average all year. Has he had fairly high usuage? Yes but not unreasonable for a team star with ball handling/play making duties. He hasn't been a Kobe or a Westbrook. My only real complaint towards him is that he hasn't show a consistent ability to be the guy who finishes or carries thebteam in challenging close games. He seems to collapse due to unforced hesitation on his part. He's a good enough player to do it. From listening to his off court interviews he is a smart enough guy to realize that he needs to be that guy for this team to seriously be considered in contention but it doesn't seem to be in his make-up.

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    Those number along with steals and blocks in the NBA are what contracts are negotiated from. Those numbers tell us that Demar is one of the 50 best basketball players in the world right now and deserves a max or near max contract. DeMar this year has played adequate defense not all world or even good but he has been average to above average all year. Has he had fairly high usuage? Yes but not unreasonable for a team star with ball handling/play making duties. He hasn't been a Kobe or a Westbrook. My only real complaint towards him is that he hasn't show a consistent ability to be the guy who finishes or carries thebteam in challenging close games. He seems to collapse due to unforced hesitation on his part. He's a good enough player to do it. From listening to his off court interviews he is a smart enough guy to realize that he needs to be that guy for this team to seriously be considered in contention but it doesn't seem to be in his make-up.

    We will see what he has in the 1st round

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    Those number along with steals and blocks in the NBA are what contracts are negotiated from. Those numbers tell us that Demar is one of the 50 best basketball players in the world right now and deserves a max or near max contract. DeMar this year has played adequate defense not all world or even good but he has been average to above average all year. Has he had fairly high usuage? Yes but not unreasonable for a team star with ball handling/play making duties. He hasn't been a Kobe or a Westbrook. My only real complaint towards him is that he hasn't show a consistent ability to be the guy who finishes or carries thebteam in challenging close games. He seems to collapse due to unforced hesitation on his part. He's a good enough player to do it. From listening to his off court interviews he is a smart enough guy to realize that he needs to be that guy for this team to seriously be considered in contention but it doesn't seem to be in his make-up.

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    these are pretty generous. everyone deserves a D or F, save for Beli, DD, and Forbes sadly. Barely winning against a trash team and needing 47 and a half minutes to gain any real separation, on their own court, and manu's night, while battling for playoff position is ing sad no matter how you slice it. this team is going to get destroyed by whoever they play in the first round.

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    Honestly a player doesn't have to be the best player on the team or even dominate from game to game to be the guy who steps up for the team when a game is on the line. Bi never felt like Manu was consistently the best player on the roster but for the last 5 years when the game was on the line I looked to him or Duncan (obviously not last year) to step up. Sometimes Kahwi did as well. But you always knew one of those players was going to shoulder the team even in their twilight years. Thats part of what hurt about this year. I get that Manu felt like he couldn't be himself for a season and the compe or in him didn't want to be an end of the bench guy and the smart man and player in him didn't feel like the family and physical sacrifices were worth coming back but in a lot of ways I feel like having an example with that heart and fire to never quit would help take DeMar to the next level. In so many ways during the games this season and to a certain extent last I want to scream at my television because this team seems to have a mentality that there is always another game tomorrow and if we give 85% and the other team gives 85% for most of the game its another day at work. To few teams either way have a player who will consistently give that last 15% to ensure their team closes out the close games.

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