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    Fox News’ Napolitano drops bomb on viewers:

    ‘Schiff is correct’ on evidence of Trump conspiracy and obstruction



    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/fox...y-obstruction/


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    yet another of Trash's defenders / mafiya connected to Russia

    Why does Alan Dershowitz keep appearing on Russian propaganda channels?




    Dershowitz’s multiple appearances on RT over the past few months come as questions continue to swirl about the Trump campaign’s relationship with Russia.

    Following Barr’s letter, Dershowitz appeared on RT
    to condemn the entire investigation. “It was a mistake to appoint a special counsel because there was no evidence of a crime,” Dershowitz said, calling for contempt of court proceedings to begin against those who lobbied for FISA warrants.

    The Harvard professor emeritus referred to himself in his most recent appearance on RT as

    a “centrist, thoughtful, liberal Democrat,”

    while the RT host described

    Dershowitz as “the only person on the left that came through [the Mueller investigation] unscathed, and I would say enhanced.”

    Dershowitz — who recently authored a book arguing against impeaching Trump —

    described Barr as a “really, really good person, and determined to do the right thing.”

    And in another appearance last month,

    Dershowitz
    said that he saw “no evidence” of any criminality regarding Russian interference in the United States, and that

    he was “very concerned” about prosecutorial “tactics” used against Trump campaign officials like former campaign chair Paul Manafort.

    he has always been treated fairly by the Russian propaganda organ.

    “They have always been fair and have never censored anything I’ve said,”

    course, D's propaganda is pro-Trump, and pro-Russia


    https://thinkprogress.org/alan-dershowitz-russia-propaganda-02f4cf31c533/



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    Fox News’ Napolitano drops bomb on viewers:

    ‘Schiff is correct’ on evidence of Trump conspiracy and obstruction



    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/fox...y-obstruction/

    It is common sense. Basically there was no smoking gun, but there was evidence. Unfortunately there was not enough to get passed reasonable doubt, but that doesn't mean there was no evidence. If there was zero evidence Barr would have said so, and he definitely wouldn't have included Mueller's quote about not exonerating Trump. At the end of the day, the report will be released, and political damage will be done to Trump. It won't likely matter much to his supporters though, nor to Democrats. The line was drawn long ago. This was always the likely outcome,again barring a smoking gun, but those who insist this was a witch hunt or false narrative are ing re s. Even the cir stantial evidence reported that was confirmed paints a pretty telling picture of not being completely innocent, but again, it was always going to matter very little.

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    Fox/Trash hate-driven, ignorant cult mob freaks out

    Fox News viewers freak the out after Judge Napolitano backs Schiff on obstruction evidence: ‘NAP HATES TRUMP’

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/fox-news-viewers-freak- -judge-napolitano-backs-schiff-obstruction-evidence-nap-hates-trump/

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    The Trump plan to remove Adam Schiff has backfired

    Republican claims that “The findings of the special counsel’s conclusions refute past or present assertions and

    it exposed you as having abused your position to knowingly have false information.

    And undermine that.

    We have no faith in your ability to discharge your duties consistent with your responsibility and

    urge your immediate resignation as chairman of the committee."

    Rep. Schiff responded with a forceful case for Trump being compromised by the Russians:

    I do not think that conduct, criminal or not, is OK.

    And the day we do think that’s OK is the day we will look back and say that is the day that America lost its way.


    And I will tell you one more thing that is apropos of the hearing today:

    I don’t think it’s OK that during a presidential campaign Mr. Trump sought the Kremlin’s help to consummate a real estate deal in Moscow that would make him a fortune

    – according to the special counsel, hundreds of millions of dollars.

    I don’t think it’s OK to conceal it from the public.

    I don’t think it’s OK that he advocated a new and more favorable policy towards the Russians even as he was seeking the Russians’ help, the Kremlin’s help to make money.

    I don’t think it’s OK that his attorney lied to our committee.

    There is a different word for that than collusion, and

    it’s called ‘compromise.’

    https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03...massively.html

    And schoolboy-mature Trash called Schiff "pencil neck", now with merchanise






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    Collusion always seemed implausible to me.
    well, you "seemed" wrong.

    Of course there was collusion, but ONLY by Mueller's very high, must-be-unbeatable/can't-risk-losing standard, there wasn't.

    And as Schiff says, "that ain't OK"

    Barr/Trash don't want the full report released because it's chock-full of collusion, and obstruction, evidence.

    Public knowledge is that at very least the Trash's collusion was passive in that Russians informed Trash and his mafiya that the Russians (and Pootin-too Assange) were CRIMINALLY helping Trash and hurting Hillary but Trash and his mafiya kept the Russian criminality secret from the FBI.

    Then there is criminals Jared and Manafort giving data to Cambridge Analytica and Pootin-connected Russians.

    I expect there's a lot more in Mueller's report.

    I take Mueller's strategy as "I report, Congress decides"
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    Conspiracies are hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Short of proof beyond a reasonable doubt there's a whole spectrum of behavior from innocuous to morally/ethically objectionable that can accurately be described as "legal."

    The notion that declining to prosecute is equivalent to finding actual innocence, or somehow disproves allegations, is blockheaded.
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    The Fox/Repug hate machine moving on from hyper-villain AOC ...

    Trump and GOP target ‘pencil-neck’ Adam Schiff as their post-Mueller villain

    President Trump and Republicans are mounting a ferocious revenge campaign against one Democrat — Rep. Adam B. Schiff.

    Trump mocked the California lawmaker as “little pencil-neck Adam Schiff.”

    House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) compared Schiff to communist scaremonger Joseph McCarthy.

    And House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) used a colloquy on the House floor to press Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.)

    to remove Schiff as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

    “There has to be accountability, because it’s all lies,” Trump said to a crowd booing the mention of Schiff’s name.

    “And they know it’s lies — they know it.”


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.bc2a4c739af4

    And asshole Spurstalkers will parrot whatever Fox/Repugs vomit into their limited brains.



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    Barr is Repugs' GOTO guy for excusing, hiding Repug criminals

    Bill Barr’s Remarkable History Of Scandalous Cover-Up

    https://www.nationalmemo.com/bill-ba...lous-cover-up/

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    Has trump denounced russia for the attack on our country yet?

    has the GOP?

    has the “impartial” AG denounced them?

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    Has trump denounced russia for the attack on our country yet?

    has the GOP?

    has the “impartial” AG denounced them?
    Only now that Mueller has (not really) exonerated Trash's blatant collusion,

    McC says Pootin ing around in America is a grave danger (but won't do about it)

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    Conspiracies are hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Short of proof beyond a reasonable doubt there's a whole spectrum of behavior from innocuous to morally/ethically objectionable that can accurately be described as "legal."

    The notion that declining to prosecute is equivalent to finding actual innocence, or somehow disproves allegations, is blockheaded.
    I have a 2nd possibility - of why Mueller did not charge "conspiracy" or "obstruction"

    The 1st is what you stated above - this seems to be the prevailing theory going around but I have another which I would bet is MORE probable;

    Mueller found both Conspiracy to Defraud the USA & Obstruction of Justice -
    enough to find trump guilty of both -

    but then -

    either due to his own knowledge of - or by Barr's orders - (could be both- OR a combo of both) -

    Mueller was left with a legal quandary: "I find there are provable crimes - but it is bumping up against DOJ policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted."

    So therefore Mueller submits his report with the open charges and therefore we see the "this does NOT exonerate trump" passage.

    How can you possibly have a chargeable crime of conspiracy and/or obstruction against an "un-indictable" person? (according to DOJ policy) This also explains why Barr wanted the AG job so bad and how easily Trump was convinced to hire Barr - because Barr had the legal plan to keep Trump above the law.

    Not blaming Mueller - and have no direct knowledge of BARR'S part in this - but it would explain why Mueller - with all of his prosecutorial experience and stellar reputation decides to mysteriously "punt" on his mandate.

    A clear mandate of "prosecuting a case and taking it out of political actors hands" -


    It does not fit that Mueller would NOT find proof of TWO things that we have seen with our own eyes.

    As I stated before - I would accept Mueller's findings - when and if - I see/hear it directly from Mueller himself -not from Barr or Trump or the media.

    The Cons ution solves this legal quandary - by giving this power to Congress - and maybe this is where Mueller was hoping it would land - but Barr placed his thumb on the scale and declared Trump - innocent.

    Barr is again placing his thumb on the scale by preventing Congress to fulfill its responsibility by hiding parts of the report.

    If the Cons ution assigns this duty to Congress (it does) then Congress cannot do its duty with a redacted report - or with evidence covered up by Barr.

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    ^ "Mueller's gambit"

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    Only now that Mueller has (not really) exonerated Trash's blatant collusion,

    McC says Pootin ing around in America is a grave danger (but won't do about it)
    Add to that -

    that when Obama went to the gang of 8 (before the 2016 election) and asked for both houses to join him in a united front and denounce Russia's actions -

    McConnell refused and went even farther -

    he threatened Obama with not only refusing to take part in a unified statement denouncing Russia's attack -

    he said he would also accuse Obama of putting his thumb on the scale of the election to help HRC -

    McConnell did exactly as Russia (and Trump) would have hoped for.

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    I have a 2nd possibility - of why Mueller did not charge "conspiracy" or "obstruction"

    The 1st is what you stated above - this seems to be the prevailing theory going around but I have another which I would bet is MORE probable;

    Mueller found both Conspiracy to Defraud the USA & Obstruction of Justice -
    enough to find trump guilty of both -

    but then -

    either due to his own knowledge of - or by Barr's orders - (could be both- OR a combo of both) -

    Mueller was left with a legal quandary: "I find there are provable crimes - but it is bumping up against DOJ policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted."

    So therefore Mueller submits his report with the open charges and therefore we see the "this does NOT exonerate trump" passage.

    How can you possibly have a chargeable crime of conspiracy and/or obstruction against an "un-indictable" person? (according to DOJ policy) This also explains why Barr wanted the AG job so bad and how easily Trump was convinced to hire Barr - because Barr had the legal plan to keep Trump above the law.

    Not blaming Mueller - and have no direct knowledge of BARR'S part in this - but it would explain why Mueller - with all of his prosecutorial experience and stellar reputation decides to mysteriously "punt" on his mandate.

    A clear mandate of "prosecuting a case and taking it out of political actors hands" -


    It does not fit that Mueller would NOT find proof of TWO things that we have seen with our own eyes.

    As I stated before - I would accept Mueller's findings - when and if - I see/hear it directly from Mueller himself -not from Barr or Trump or the media.

    The Cons ution solves this legal quandary - by giving this power to Congress - and maybe this is where Mueller was hoping it would land - but Barr placed his thumb on the scale and declared Trump - innocent.

    Barr is again placing his thumb on the scale by preventing Congress to fulfill its responsibility by hiding parts of the report.

    If the Cons ution assigns this duty to Congress (it does) then Congress cannot do its duty with a redacted report - or with evidence covered up by Barr.
    Learn to cope with the fact that the wealthy and powerful close ranks and protect each other. I said at the beginning that investigations often uncover a lot of questionable acts committed by people on all sides of the aisle and within the law enforcement organizations. It's a corruptness that we expect to self police. Then we act astonished each and every time it doesn't.

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    Learn to cope with the fact that the wealthy and powerful close ranks and protect each other. I said at the beginning that investigations often uncover a lot of questionable acts committed by people on all sides of the aisle and within the law enforcement organizations. It's a corruptness that we expect to self police. Then we act astonished each and every time it doesn't.
    I am well aware of this.

    I was adding to Whinehole's post of "conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt" theory -that is going around.


    Although I already surmised that there was a cover up and corruption going on -and that it is always used by the wealthy -

    BARR - is actually using the DOJ policy to maneuver around justice - and he actually legally - succeeded (so far)

    I am merely using the cons ution to make the point that Barr's trickery can be Trumped - (pun intended)

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    Trump biographer: Attorney General William Barr failed to prove Trump isn’t a ‘useful idiot’ for Russia





    David Cay Johnston argued that President Donald

    Trump is still a Russian asset, regardless of whether the special counsel could find direct conspiracy.


    “In the meaning, in the intelligence world, of the word ‘asset,’ Donald Trump is an asset,” Johnston said.

    “He is what the old Soviet Union called a ‘useful idiot.’

    He has carried the water for the Kremlin repeatedly on
    things like attacking NATO and other positions.”

    all roads seem to lead back to Russia for Trump.

    “Bill Barr

    without being dishonest

    can put a spin on this that helps the person who put him in office after he auditioned for that job.”

    Johnston said that the

    president has all of the power in the world to make the report public today or tomorrow.

    He demanded to know

    why Trump is refusing to do so.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trump-biographer-attorney-general-william-barr-failed-prove-trump-isnt-useful-idiot-russia/

    Trash has always acted like DoJ was his personal law firm, and Barr is certainly acting like it is.
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    This is a good mashup

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    William Barr Walks Back His Story, Says He Never Intended His Letter As A Summary

    Tim O'Brien
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    Barr now says that his 4-page letter last weekend wasn't really a "summary" of Mueller's report and

    he never intended to summarize 400 pages because that wouldn't have been in the "public interest."

    The technical legal term for this is "walking back your story"

    In his new letter, Barr chastises those “mischaracterizing” his previous letter.

    “My March 24 letter was not, and did not purport to be, an exhaustive recounting of the Special Counsel’s investigation or report…

    I do not believe it would be in the public’s interest for me to attempt to summarize the full report or

    to release it in serial or piecemeal fashion,” he wrote.

    Barr says he anticipates being able to release a redacted version of Mueller’s full report by mid-April.



    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/3/30/1846497/-William-Barr-Walks-Back-His-Story-Says-He-Never-Intended-His-Letter-As-A-Summary?detail=emaildkre


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    William Barr Walks Back His Story, Says He Never Intended His Letter As A Summary

    Tim O'Brien
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    Barr now says that his 4-page letter last weekend wasn't really a "summary" of Mueller's report and

    he never intended to summarize 400 pages because that wouldn't have been in the "public interest."

    The technical legal term for this is "walking back your story"

    In his new letter, Barr chastises those “mischaracterizing” his previous letter.

    “My March 24 letter was not, and did not purport to be, an exhaustive recounting of the Special Counsel’s investigation or report…

    I do not believe it would be in the public’s interest for me to attempt to summarize the full report or

    to release it in serial or piecemeal fashion,” he wrote.

    Barr says he anticipates being able to release a redacted version of Mueller’s full report by mid-April.



    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/3/30/1846497/-William-Barr-Walks-Back-His-Story-Says-He-Never-Intended-His-Letter-As-A-Summary?detail=emaildkre


    Dems are saying a subpoena will go out this week if Barr does not send FULL report by tomorrow.

    This has to be done or Barr will play games with the report and redact all of trump criminal family's names.

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    Former U.S. Pros. Says Redacted Mueller Report Will Show "compelling evidence of Trump’s crimes."

    former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner,

    this morning on
    AM Joy seems confident that

    even the black lined version will contain substantial evidence of drumpf’s misdeeds.

    in those 400 pages, without even counting the attachments,

    Bob Mueller will have done a thorough job and

    we will all see what it is he found.

    And when he can’t clear the president of obstructing justice,

    I suspect what he found is going to be pretty dramatic.”


    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...tail=emaildkre

    IBIWISI

    I think we won't see the really nasty , no redactions, until SCOTUS allows Schiff, etc to publish it.


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    “THIS IS SPY-HUNTING”: INSIDE THE DARK HEART OF THE MUELLER REPORT

    Robert Mueller’s secret counter-intelligence findings may be the key to understanding the Russiagate scandal and its implications for U.S. national security. And yet the public may never see them.


    Many of the most astonishing episodes involving Trump or his associates colluding with Russian agents are in the public record.

    On the campaign trail, Trump
    called for Russian hackers to target Hillary Clinton;

    his son, son-in-law, and campaign manager met with a Kremlin-linked attorney at Trump Tower to secure “high level and sensitive information” on Clinton as part of what they were told was “Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump”;

    a campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, went abroad in hopes of securing a meeting between Trump and
    Vladimir Putin while

    another adviser, Roger Stone, got in contact with Russian military intelligence.

    During the White House transition, there were a flurry of contacts between Trumpworld and Moscow, including

    an effort by Jared Kushner to establish a secret backchannel with the Kremlin.

    Later, as president,

    Trump
    bragged about firing Comey to Russian officials in the Oval Office,

    sought out private meetings with Putin, and

    repeatedly sided with Russian intelligence over the assessments of his own agencies.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/robert-mueller-report-counterintelligence-report



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