Democrats Looking To Ramp Up The Fascism

[Winehole23]

Wasting your time. They are incapable of admitting when they are completely full of . I'm curious what a "typical example" of Winetroll's version of Sharia Law is.

You've been led by the nose by paranoid online fearrmongers. You have no idea what's typical and what's not.

[spurraider21]

it may enforce by the imposition of penalties.

Since the US doesn't recognize their code of conduct nor allow them to impose harsh punishments on their "members", they may not impose these penalties in the US ergo no law.

depends on what the penalties are. to the extent the penalties cause for violence, yeah they'd be void in the US. the free exercise of religion is limited to the extent that it directly conflicts with state or federal law. if the penalty is violent in nature (stoning, beating, etc) it obviously would be illegal to enforce.

to the extent the punishment is some form of excommunication or banishment from that ins ution, they're able to have that, as far as i'm aware

[Winehole23]

No you were intentionally obtuse to suggest Sharia law is in effect in the US. Are you Muslim?

Sharia Law is observed wherever you find observant Muslims.We have observant Muslims in the US, therefore Sharia Law is already exists and is observed in the USA.

[spurraider21]

Neither does any individual since Americans are protected from such by law.

Since it's not part of the US code or any state code, it's not law. It's just a code of conduct, like the Boy Scout honor pledge.

its not a law of the united states or any state therein, correct.

[Chris]

You've been led by the nose by paranoid online fearrmongers. You have no idea what's typical and what's not.

So you got nothing. That's typical.

[Pavlov]

"country or community"
"actions of its members"

YOU MUST DISREGARD EVERY DEFINITION EXCEPT THE ONE I USE I AM IN CHARGE NOT THE DICTIONARY ENTRY I POSTED

[Winehole23]

Observant Muslims got Sharia Law, they live in the USA, and it's not a threat to anyone. No more or no less than rhe religious observances of Catholics and Jews.

[spurraider21]

I asked for a definition of how "law" was being used in that context.

Sharia law is enforced. Sharia isn't.

"but semantics"

Dude you're a ing lawyer. You more than anyone should appreciate the differences that words can make in arguments.

actually interested in where you got this notion that sharia and sharia law are different things

[DMC]

depends on what the penalties are. to the extent the penalties cause for violence, yeah they'd be void in the US. the free exercise of religion is limited to the extent that it directly conflicts with state or federal law. if the penalty is violent in nature (stoning, beating, etc) it obviously would be illegal to enforce.

to the extent the punishment is some form of excommunication or banishment from that ins ution, they're able to have that, as far as i'm aware

You're also being evasive and using shady tactics to try to be right.

Countries That Follow Sharia Law
Rank Countries That Follow Sharia Law
1 Afghanistan
2 Iran
3 Iraq
4 Maurtania
5 Pakistan
6 Saudi Arabia
7 Sudan
8 Yemen


So in these countries that follow Sharia law, is the limit of the punishment to banish people from the ins utions? Take their membership status away?

Stop being dishonest, Philo.

[DMC]

actually interested in where you got this notion that sharia and sharia law are different things

Otherwise it's just another way of saying "belief". If that's what you (Winehole) mean then you're being obtuse to suggest anyone here would be against it.

[spurraider21]

You're also being evasive and using shady tactics to try to be right.

Countries That Follow Sharia Law
Rank Countries That Follow Sharia Law
1 Afghanistan
2 Iran
3 Iraq
4 Maurtania
5 Pakistan
6 Saudi Arabia
7 Sudan
8 Yemen


So in these countries that follow Sharia law, is the limit of the punishment to banish people from the ins utions? Take their membership status away?

Stop being dishonest, Philo.

so thats a list of countries where the government enforces and/or has codified sharia.

cool.

winehole never said the US enforces sharia law

[Pavlov]

[DMC]

depends on what the penalties are. to the extent the penalties cause for violence, yeah they'd be void in the US. the free exercise of religion is limited to the extent that it directly conflicts with state or federal law. if the penalty is violent in nature (stoning, beating, etc) it obviously would be illegal to enforce.

to the extent the punishment is some form of excommunication or banishment from that ins ution, they're able to have that, as far as i'm aware

so thats a list of countries where the government enforces and/or has codified sharia.

cool.

winehole never said the US enforces sharia law

What are the punishments?

[spurraider21]

What are the punishments?

i dont know.

it cannot contain violence, though. the state has a near monopoly on violence

[DMC]

i dont know.

it cannot contain violence, though. the state has a near monopoly on violence

So then the law isn't really the law. It's the suggestion, based on the definition of "law" that I showed.

Now I expect you to argue the meaning of "may" to also mean "may not".

A person can subscribe to Sharia, be Muslim and not be allowed to act on their beliefs since they involve crossing into the US legal system laws. In those cases the Sharia law isn't in effect. The concept may still guide people's actions, just as laws in the US may cause Americans in other countries to act in certain ways, but that doesn't mean the US laws are in effect in those countries.

[spurraider21]

So then the law isn't really the law.

its not the law of the US or any state therein. we've been over this.

It's the suggestion, based on the definition of "law" that I showed.

no. i just said i dont know what the punishments are, and that they cannot include violence. the consenting group/members dictate what the punishment is. could be damnation, could be some form of excommunication. i dont know, i'm not a sharia scholar.

[DMC]

its not the law of the US or any state therein. we've been over this.

So the law doesn't exist in the US. The people who believe the law exists live here, and they obey the commandments, but they don't practice the law because they are not allowed to.

no. i just said i dont know what the punishments are, and that they cannot include violence. the consenting group/members dictate what the punishment is. could be damnation, could be some form of excommunication. i dont know, i'm not a sharia scholar.

Well in the countries that have adopted Sharia law, they certainly do include violence. So this Sharia law you believe exists in the US is what exactly? Still waiting.

[spurraider21]

So the law doesn't exist in the US.

it does. the US just doesnt enforce it.

The people who believe the law exists live here, and they obey the commandments, but they don't practice the law because they are not allowed to.

they might not be able to levy the same punishments that they do in other countries. that doesn't mean they dont practice the law here.

Well in the countries that have adopted Sharia law, they certainly do include violence. So this Sharia law you believe exists in the US is what exactly? Still waiting.

sharia law is the religious law that tells followers what they should/should not do. you seem to think a law is only a law if it is endorsed and enforced by the state/nation against all residents. thats the meaning that we may give on a day to day basis, but thats not the exclusive definition, as you saw in the very definition you posted here

[Pavlov]

More straw incoming.

[DMC]

it does. the US just doesnt enforce it.

You established already - Neither do they ergo non-existent.

they might not be able to levy the same punishments that they do in other countries. that doesn't mean they dont practice the law here.

Sure it does. If Sharia law means eye for an eye, and you cannot impose that, then you're not practicing Sharia law. You're practicing your hybrid version of it.

sharia law is the religious law that tells followers what they should/should not do. you seem to think a law is only a law if it is endorsed and enforced by the state/nation against all residents. thats the meaning that we may give on a day to day basis, but thats not the exclusive definition, as you saw in the very definition you posted here

It does more than tell them what they should do. It tells others what they should do when followers don't obey. Stop watering the down to make it palatable, Philo. Since they cannot dish out the prescribed punishments, the law is moot ergo non-existent. Otherwise you can say any group of two or more people who adhere to a code have a law and that law is in effect.

[Pavlov]

YOU MUST DISREGARD EVERY DEFINITION EXCEPT THE ONE I USE I AM IN CHARGE

[DMC]

Why would you quote yourself saying that?

[DMC]

What is the definition of "law" in how it's being used in "Sharia law"?

2 pages of "muh definition" after refusing to specify

[Pavlov]

Why would you quote yourself saying that?

I was repeating my earlier post. When I post in all caps it's suggesting some other poster's rant.

Sorry for the confusion. Keep working det pitchfork.

[Pavlov]

2 pages of "muh definition" after refusing to specify

You already know it and you've been trying to use a different definition for days.

DerpMC