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That much is true. I'm sure there was more behind the scenes that we don't know. I HOPE there was more behind the scenes that we don't know. You have to hope that PATFO didn't value Poeltl over Pascal.
Toronto media knew Kawhi could be just 1 year-rental and still thought Raptors should give one of Pascal/OG...
I still wonder how PATFO couldn't get one of them +other bench player (Jakob Wright Powell whoever)
That much is true. I'm sure there was more behind the scenes that we don't know. I HOPE there was more behind the scenes that we don't know. You have to hope that PATFO didn't value Poeltl over Pascal.
They probably did value Poeltl higher. A person has to keep in mind that all of this Siakam talk is long after the fact.
Siakam was a run of the mill bench player last season. He appeared in 81 games but only started 5. He averaged 20 minutes a game. Scored just over 7 pts/gm. Shot .220 from 3pt range. Shot .621 on free throws. Etc. He looked a million miles from ever becoming a star, or even a 'known' player.
Nobody could have forecast how much he would improve this season.
You might want to go back and look at Poeltl's stats from last year, too. And if you go back and look at the comments, a lot of people here were hot for Siakam. I don't remember any being hot for Poeltl. And since the league in general seems to be valuing big men less, there's a pretty good case to be made that PATFO didn't get the best value - even at the time.
He didn't play like garbage. He was still a top-10 three-and-D player in the league all of those years. He just wasn't the best or second-best during that stretch.
I do think PATFO had prepared Gasol to be part of a trade, so having him in the deal wouldn't have been some great crisis for the Spurs. Certainly, PATFO didn't value him that highly, but a number of people here did, and this year didn't prove them wrong.
I wanted OG with Siakam as the consolation prize. In retrospect, it definitely should have been flipped, and you can make the argument that PATFO knew what they were doing if they did pick Poeltl, because they seem to have a nice young player on their hands. But yeah, it still feels like PATFO waited longer than they should have to make a deal (should have looked to the draft more, even if it was just to get capital for another trade) and then compounded that by seeming to grow tired of the trade games and taking a deal that heavily favored Toronto. I get that they liked DeRozan, but you can argue that the rest of the packages were way too close to neutral to justify the value gap between the headliners.
people forget that the Spurs also had to give them 5 million USD. They got raped. RC should lay off the Hennessy
Let's complicate this with a crazy idea that would never happen.
Spurs trade DDR to the Pels on draft day for their Lottery pick + Enough young talent to make the trade possible for under the cap signing + a HUGE trade exception.
Why: #1. It kills the Lakers. It does this by giving AD every reason to stay and re-sign in NO. With Randal and DDR, they have what is needed to be a force.
#2. The Pels are obviously helped by giving them what they need to keep AD on board.
#3. We get once in a generation shot at a Lottery pick AND possibly some good young talent from NO AND a trade exception that can land us a semi-high quality vet at some point down the road. Yes, we lose a lot, but it isn't looking like DDR is that game winning All-Star that lifts a team up to win championships. He wins regular season games, but it's about the 'ships.
Ok, kill me in 1... 2.... 3. Go!
1) You don't get both a trade exception AND cap room. You must renounce the exception to get the cap room
2) AD is as done with NO as Kawhi was us. He will never re-sign there.
3) This is a very thin draft. Unless this is a top 3 pick, it's not really any different than a pick down into the 20s. If it is a top 3 pick, we'll never pry it free for just DD.
Let's see how they view the trade come July.
Would you be saying that if Murray doesn't go down in the pre-season and the Spurs were standing at 51 or 52 wins already? Because that was the plan. We have lost several games this year due to being undersized at PG.
But, instead White has gotten a bunch of run...imagine next year. Imagine Walker coming off the bench for solid minutes.
Plus, we rid ourselves of a cancer. Addition by subtraction. Got a solid young player at center in Poeltl. Anyone remember feeling locked at center for the next decade?
And we got a first round draft pick too.
We did not get raped. At worst it's a push. At best, when Kawhi leaves this summer, we won because our future is already in place and they are starting over.
Should've traded kawhi to the clippers. Doc owns Pop. His team is better with less talent, and he's about to get kawhi while giving up absolutely nothing. This is going to be about 4 straight years of front office screw ups.
It wasn't a good deal but it's time to move on. Frankly.
1. Yeah, now that I think about it, that makes sense with the new rules.
2. Ok.
3. Ok.
Spurs very obviously didn’t get a great deal. They did however get what they wanted which was a combination of young assets (first round pick + Jakob) and a player to pair with LMA at a position of need that could keep them compe ive.
Well, while not ideal, SA is yet again a playoff team with still a bright short and mid term outlook.
I love the gamble for TOR, but if Kawhi walks they have nothing to replace him with and they have yet to prove they can attract top tier FAs. If Kawhi leaves they could easily fall to an 7th/8th seed team or out of the playoffs which usually does not bode well for markets like SA or TOr.
They'll be out of the playoffs. Lowry is likely gone, and if they're burning it down, it doesn't really make sense for Green to stay, or for them to pay him.
I don't know what Murray's injury has to do with the trade. I talked about the trade only, not the team or roster. Kawhi, Danny and 5 million for DeFrozan, Poeltl and a late first rounder is bad value. Murray has nothing to do with that
The injuries have EVERYTHING to do with how this team failed to progress this year, at least as much as the trade did.
You people still don't get it. Even if the 76ers beat them in the Conference-Semis (which isn't happening) and s bag and Green walk, the Raptors still won in a landslide.
Worst case scenario, they bring back the rest of the rotation (minus Lin), sign some middling veteran wing and can remain a similar caliber team to the Spurs for another season, only in a shallower conference. Or, they can hit the reset button, either immediately or closer to the trade deadline, sell off veteran expirings (Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka), recoup some of the picks/prospect capital they've spent in recent trades and add that, plus financial flexibillity to Siakam, Van Vleet and Anunoby.
The Spurs are in purgatory, with an expensive, aging core that's not good enough to contend, zero definitive elite prospects (we'll see about Walker) and an awkward, ill-fitting, mismatched roster. So what if they're slightly better than the Raptors over the next few seasons? The end game will be similar.
Meanwhile, the Raptors have a good chance to make the Finals this season, have an outside shot at the championship and can make about as compelling a case as possible as to why s bag should re-sign.
Why the constant debate of Spurs getting the worse-off of the deal? Spurs is ed when Kwahi decided to walk, no matter how you spin it, Spurs will end up losing..
This is the best deal Spurs can salvage at that time, which makes most sense, etc.
The debate shouldn't be why they shouldn't have parted with Danny.. Danny is just part of the pawn game that comes along..
Would I prefer Kwahi instead of Demar, of course; but the unexpected aspect of the whole Spurs franchise is that they never expect Kwahi is such a turncoat; he eschewed the Spurs culture..
I've been over this countless times, but my contention has always been about Green's inclusion over Gasol. The only way that should have been the case, is if Anunoby were coming back.
Losing was inevitable, but embarrassing themselves in the process didn't have to be.
This should be reverse tbh. Toronto will be in purgatory more than SA if Kawhi leaves.
Just use nephew or quitter/Kawhitter like everyone else. S bag isn't sticking, tbh.
That's the Spurs fan in you talking. The knowledgeable, rationale part, knows better.
The Raptors have a young cornerstone player, 2 other young building blocks and then essentially a blank canvas to go one of two ways.
Sure, they more than likely won't land a difference maker in '20 free agency, but they'll still be relatively promising, flexible and have the reputation as one of the more desirable franchises in the league.
The Spurs have none of those things going for them.
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