ST Democrats: Who do you want to win the 2020 Nomination?

[florige]

That’s also why a candidate like Biden is a bad idea. Too easy to tie to Obama, and all the criticism levied to that administration.

I agree totally. While Obama himself would probably destroy Trump, there is really no guarantee that Biden just because he was Obama's VP he would win against Trump at all. The reason I say Sanders is his voters seem to be really stubborn. To them I have noticed that its either Sanders or no one, or Trump. I personally know about 20 or so Sanders voters who plain didn't vote or voted for Trump out of spite against Hillary. The only hope there is that it was more of a despise against Hillary verses it not being Sanders as the nominee.

[Will Hunting]

I agree totally. While Obama himself would probably destroy Trump, there is really no guarantee that Biden just because he was Obama's VP he would win against Trump at all. The reason I say Sanders is his voters seem to be really stubborn. To them I have noticed that its either Sanders or no one, or Trump. I personally know about 20 or so Sanders voters who plain didn't vote or voted for Trump out of spite against Hillary. The only hope there is that it was more of a despise against Hillary verses it not being Sanders as the nominee.

It was out of spite towards the DNCs primary process that was rigged for Hillary. Sanders voters would have played ball if Sanders was given a fair shake.

[benefactor]

derp the sociopath telling himself he's intelligent and a winner while reality tells him he's a dip and a loser. LOL, derp.

Dunning-Kruger, just like the president tbh

[Spurtacular]

I agree totally. While Obama himself would probably destroy Trump, there is really no guarantee that Biden just because he was Obama's VP he would win against Trump at all. The reason I say Sanders is his voters seem to be really stubborn. To them I have noticed that its either Sanders or no one, or Trump. I personally know about 20 or so Sanders voters who plain didn't vote or voted for Trump out of spite against Hillary. The only hope there is that it was more of a despise against Hillary verses it not being Sanders as the nominee.

I guess you weren't paying attention to all those rust belt voters who gave up on the Obama mirage.

[Spurtacular]

It was out of spite towards the DNCs primary process that was rigged for Hillary. Sanders voters would have played ball if Sanders was given a fair shake.

Maybe that's true for a percentage of them. But a large percent of them recognized Hillary as an establishment hoax irregardless. Plenty of that sentiment strongly expressed in interviews long before the cheating came out.

[Will Hunting]

Maybe that's true for a percentage of them. But a large percent of them recognized Hillary as an establishment hoax irregardless. Plenty of that sentiment strongly expressed in interviews long before the cheating came out.

You’re right tbh, my post was incomplete. I definitely agree Hillary’s past (and generally y demeanor) was a turn off for a lot of the Sanders supporters regardless of how the primary process was handled.

[rmt]

It’s too bad Sherrod Brown felt discouraged from running just because he’s a white male.

Just shows how out of touch the Democratic Party is. Too many eggs in the Russian collusion basket and candidates who do nothing to win the Midwest back.

I don’t see how Trump loses in 2020 unless he really s up in the next 18 months.

Each side tends to be pessimistic about its side. Don't worry the Trump hate is STRONG, and I think Florida will flip - over a million former felons now eligible to vote and this Gillum's drive to register another one million voters. These people know no bounds - do you know that someone went into prison and signed up that (accused) Parkland shooter - I wouldn't want his vote.

[Will Hunting]

Each side tends to be pessimistic about its side. Don't worry the Trump hate is STRONG, and I think Florida will flip - over a million former felons now eligible to vote and this Gillum's drive to register another one million voters. These people know no bounds - do you know that someone went into prison and signed up that (accused) Parkland shooter - I wouldn't want his vote.

I think DeSantis is going to be successful in blocking that vote at least in 2020, by 2022 the courts probably strike down whatever law was made in effort to delay them being able to vote.

Regarding “these people know no bounds” - if felons/prisoners shouldn’t be allowed to vote then they shouldn’t count towards a state’s population for purposes of electoral colleges and congress. The current system where some states have millions of registered felons/prisoners who can’t vote but still get the state extra congressman/electoral colleges is 3/5ths compromise level bull .

[Millennial_Messiah]

I think DeSantis is going to be successful in blocking that vote at least in 2020, by 2022 the courts probably strike down whatever law was made in effort to delay them being able to vote.

Regarding “these people know no bounds” - if felons/prisoners shouldn’t be allowed to vote then they shouldn’t count towards a state’s population for purposes of electoral colleges and congress. The current system where some states have millions of registered felons/prisoners who can’t vote but still get the state extra congressman/electoral colleges is 3/5ths compromise level bull .

I read somewhere though that there were actually slightly more of the ex-felons in Florida actually going out and registering as Republicans than Democrats. Not too unbelievable actually.

[florige]

I guess you weren't paying attention to all those rust belt voters who gave up on the Obama mirage.

I personally don’t think Obama loses states like PA and MI. Hillary was just totally hated and ran a terrible campaign and
She still came close in the rust belt states. I think Trump would had still taken OH and maybe FL. But the hate towards Hillary, the fact that she ran a awful campaign
and all those disenchanted Bernie voters are what cost her. Plus Hillary had so much baggage that even Trump with all his stuff was able to exploit.

[florige]

92 Clinton won because of a) Ross Perot, and b) people tired of 12 years of GOP policy

08 Obama won because any Democrat would have won because Bush was public enemy #1 at the time + the recession had just started. Even Hillary would have crushed twerpy McCain that year.

I really was referring to 08 Obama more so against Hillary than McCain. 08 was supposedly Hillary’s time. She was primed
And unscathed from scandal at that point. Obama sorta came out of nowhere and snatched that away from her. Everyone even knew that whoever came out from that would be the next President.

[Spurtacular]

I personally don’t think Obama loses states like PA and MI. Hillary was just totally hated and ran a terrible campaign and
She still came close in the rust belt states. I think Trump would had still taken OH and maybe FL. But the hate towards Hillary, the fact that she ran a awful campaign
and all those disenchanted Bernie voters are what cost her. Plus Hillary had so much baggage that even Trump with all his stuff was able to exploit.

Mitt didn't offer the stark contrast that the rust belt states voters wanted. Voting for Obama Lite wasn't a big draw for them. Maybe Obama would win Pennsylvania by bringing out more of the urban vote there.

[florige]

Mitt didn't offer the stark contrast that the rust belt states voters wanted. Voting for Obama Lite wasn't a big draw for them. Maybe Obama would win Pennsylvania by bringing out more of the urban vote there.

That’s what I’m thinking. Urban voters tend to stay at home when its not someone they fully endorse. But I’m sure Trump would had pounded Obama on the healthcare thing In the rural PA counties so who knows.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I personally don’t think Obama loses states like PA and MI. Hillary was just totally hated and ran a terrible campaign and
She still came close in the rust belt states. I think Trump would had still taken OH and maybe FL. But the hate towards Hillary, the fact that she ran a awful campaign
and all those disenchanted Bernie voters are what cost her. Plus Hillary had so much baggage that even Trump with all his stuff was able to exploit.

I think Florida is permanently a swing state, Ohio is now a red state and Nevada is permanently a blue state.

[ElNono]

I personally don’t think Obama loses states like PA and MI. Hillary was just totally hated and ran a terrible campaign and
She still came close in the rust belt states. I think Trump would had still taken OH and maybe FL. But the hate towards Hillary, the fact that she ran a awful campaign
and all those disenchanted Bernie voters are what cost her. Plus Hillary had so much baggage that even Trump with all his stuff was able to exploit.

I think Barry takes FL... IIRC, he won them pretty convincingly both times.

[ElNono]

It’s too bad Sherrod Brown felt discouraged from running just because he’s a white male.

Just shows how out of touch the Democratic Party is. Too many eggs in the Russian collusion basket and candidates who do nothing to win the Midwest back.

I don’t see how Trump loses in 2020 unless he really s up in the next 18 months.

It honestly think Trump is still a fairly weak candidate, IMO. The issue here is that Democrats don't seem to have a unifier figure out there, and if that person turns out to be Bernie, he would be too polarizing for a good chunk of independents.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It honestly think Trump is still a fairly weak candidate, IMO. The issue here is that Democrats don't seem to have a unifier figure out there, and if that person turns out to be Bernie, he would be too polarizing for a good chunk of independents.

Biden is the only one who consistently leads the polls in enough states to reach 270 ECV.

[Spurtacular]

Biden is the only one who consistently leads the polls in enough states to reach 270 ECV.

If true, Dems are cooked. Creepy Joe has no real chance against Alpha Trump.

[Spurtacular]

It honestly think Trump is still a fairly weak candidate, IMO. The issue here is that Democrats don't seem to have a unifier figure out there, and if that person turns out to be Bernie, he would be too polarizing for a good chunk of independents.

Any in bent overseeing good economic times is not "fairly weak." That's just not how it works.

[rmt]

I think DeSantis is going to be successful in blocking that vote at least in 2020, by 2022 the courts probably strike down whatever law was made in effort to delay them being able to vote.

Regarding “these people know no bounds” - if felons/prisoners shouldn’t be allowed to vote then they shouldn’t count towards a state’s population for purposes of electoral colleges and congress. The current system where some states have millions of registered felons/prisoners who can’t vote but still get the state extra congressman/electoral colleges is 3/5ths compromise level bull .

De Santis sent out robocalls (I got one myself) before the vote ENCOURAGING people to vote for it - he definitely will not be seeking to block it (I don't even think one can block it after the voters have had their say) - maybe that's why his approval ratings are so high. Florida voters overwhelming voted FOR it so it will be in effect for the next election. The "know no bounds" specifically refers to the Parkland shooter himself (not FORMER felons of which he is not one) - how desperate for votes do you have to be to want his vote.

How would your method work? Isn't the determination for electoral college/reps determined once every 10 years - meaning a static time when people are either in or out of prison (and that prison population is ever changing after). I don't see how you don't count the prison population. Then if someone couldn't vote in prison and then comes out and votes, his representation would be diminished under your suggestion. Maybe you want the prison population to count and vote. I'm for them not voting in prison - just another right/freedom you lose in prison. Besides, it probably wouldn't matter as ALL the states would PROPORTIONALLY lose/gain representation. Or maybe the thought is that the more populated (and liberal states) have more prison population and would result in more swing.

[Will Hunting]

De Santis sent out robocalls (I got one myself) before the vote ENCOURAGING people to vote for it - he definitely will not be seeking to block it (I don't even think one can block it after the voters have had their say) - maybe that's why his approval ratings are so high. Florida voters overwhelming voted FOR it so it will be in effect for the next election. The "know no bounds" specifically refers to the Parkland shooter himself (not FORMER felons of which he is not one) - how desperate for votes do you have to be to want his vote.

How would your method work? Isn't the determination for electoral college/reps determined once every 10 years - meaning a static time when people are either in or out of prison (and that prison population is ever changing after). I don't see how you don't count the prison population. Then if someone couldn't vote in prison and then comes out and votes, his representation would be diminished under your suggestion. Maybe you want the prison population to count and vote. I'm for them not voting in prison - just another right/freedom you lose in prison. Besides, it probably wouldn't matter as ALL the states would PROPORTIONALLY lose/gain representation. Or maybe the thought is that the more populated (and liberal states) have more prison population and would result in more swing.

The states with the highest incarceration rate per 100,000 adults (as of 2016) were Oklahoma, Louisiana, Missippi, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Arizona Kentucky and Missouri, in that order. You got me, I CLEARLY want all those liberal states with a disproportionately high prison population getting more of a vote

[Millennial_Messiah]

If true, Dems are cooked. Creepy Joe has no real chance against Alpha Trump.

How come? Please provide logic.

[Reck]

How come? Please provide logic.

Derp is devoid of logic.

Biden strikes the balance of being a moderate and also being progressive enough on the issues that matter. Biden would win comfortably against Trump.

Moderates have proven they can win in deep red states (Arizona,Alabama) while ultra progressive candidates have mostly failed. (Beto-texas)

This new line of attack on Biden is just...odd.

They're calling Biden a creep while worshipping another. Such is the life of a Trumpster.

Oh and did I forget people actually like Biden?

[Pavlov]

Unless Biden actually grabbed someone by the pussy, he should be fine.

Sanders just runs a cult of personality like Trump. No thanks.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Derp is devoid of logic.

Biden strikes the balance of being a moderate and also being progressive enough on the issues that matter. Biden would win comfortably against Trump.

Moderates have proven they can win in deep red states (Arizona,Alabama) while ultra progressive candidates have mostly failed. (Beto-texas)

This new line of attack on Biden is just...odd.

They're calling Biden a creep while worshipping another. Such is the life of a Trumpster.

Oh and did I forget people actually like Biden?

One thing I liked about Biden is that, in 2014 he had the balls to make comments about Turkey and Saudi being primarily to blame for harboring of ISIS, before the Obama admin + Congress shut him up. Even though he was right.

I'm honestly in favor of any candidate that will stop being friends with our worst ideological enemies. Especially those who suppress women, enforce religious conservative, one-way polygamy, and kill gays. Those are all anti-American and anti-Western values and giving them U.S. taxpayer money and breaks in trade deals.