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Yes, injuries are part of the game. I'm not giving them any excuses. And this is probably the weakest the East has been top to bottom in a long time. No Lebron, etc.
Then you have that other guy...and he gonna Load Management. It's what he does.
That dude has probably played more games than Kawhi this year, tbh.
Yes, injuries are part of the game. I'm not giving them any excuses. And this is probably the weakest the East has been top to bottom in a long time. No Lebron, etc.
Then you have that other guy...and he gonna Load Management. It's what he does.
How do you know he wouldn't have been successful? Maybe not to the degree he is now but surely he would be all star level talent...a Paul George type. I'm not trying to take anything away from Pop and his staff; they did give KL the resources and the time to develop but KL did all the work. This league has stars on almost every team...Pop/Spurs didn't develop any of them so how do you explain their success?
Context is everything. For example, noting the word ‘as’ in front of the word ‘successful’ in my post. I think he would have had a level of success, maybe along the lines of MKG, but maybe never turn that corner to star player. Sometimes, hard work isn’t enough if you’re not pointed in the right direction.
....and some guys are just that self driven and don't need to be led by the hand. KL is lucky he fell into the right situation but we'll never know how great or not he could have been had he been drafted by another team.
To be honest, Chad Forcier was working with Aaron Gordon too. He improved but Forcier couldn't make him Kawhi Leonard.
Pop couldn't turn Anderson into Kawhi either.
Team's environment and hard work are part of the process but when everthing is said and done, the real one deal is talent.
I remember when Pop said Kawhi was like a sponge in his first years, that he learned so fast...the coaches started to show him some move or a shot during practice then he dominated it when practice ended.
Chip said it was enough just a talk before the lock-out to Kawhi fix his 3-pt shot.
I guess people here tend to underrate Kawhi's talent.
You need both parts to do theirs, tbh. Kawhi's talent and work ethic clearly made life easier for the Spurs, but if Kawhi had been drafted by the Lakers instead of the Spurs, he would probably still be shooting soccer throw ins, tbh.
Sad to say, but i think kawhi is going to kill it in the playoffs.
Raps will win the LOBT in 6 against the warriors
I doubt it. Kobe, sop re Kawhi and still prime Pau could have been great in 2012 and 2013 seasons.
Just no, tbh.
And regardless of that, I'm talking about Kawhi's shooting mechanics. It's no secret that Chip fixed that. Without that fixed shot, Kawhi wouldn't be a quarter of the player he is today.
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Just no, tbh.
And regardless of that, I'm talking about Kawhi's shooting mechanics. It's no secret that Chip fixed that. Without that fixed shot, Kawhi wouldn't be a quarter of the player he is today."won a ring" was too much but still think that could have been a great team.
Anyway, I already said that Chip fixed Kawhi shot. But Chip also said he needed just a talk before the lock-out because Kawhi was working alone in the summer and came back to San Antonio in his first season with a new-fixed shooting.
There are players that works years to improve their 3-p shot. Kawhi did in just one summer.
I call that talent.
You can work all you want but if you don't have the perfect tip/technic to work on, you won't get better. Chip knew exactly what needed to be done to fix Kawhi's shot, most other franchises probably wouldn't have had that guy to tell Kawhi exactly what needed to told.I edited it but was too late
Anyway, I already said that Chip fixed Kawhi shot. But Chip also said he needed just a talk before the lock-out because Kawhi was working alone in the summer and came back to San Antonio in his first season with a new-fixed shooting.
There are players that works years to improve their 3-p shot. Kawhi did in just one summer.
I call that talent.
When people say here "Raptors win less with Kawhi this season...he's not a max player"...It was just one. They won just win ONE fewer game than last season.
Raptors are 22-17 against teams above .500 this season as compared to 24-21 last season, and they’re up from 17th to 6th in clutch net rating.
No doubt Chip is the best.
But he's not the only coach to fix a shot in the league. There are other staffs that work great.
Just look at Pascal Siakam 3-p... .22 3p% last season .37& this season or Boucher.
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Kawhi would have been a star anywhere, just like all super stars in the league. that's how good they are.
Lol. Is one fewer still one fewer? And the word is fewer. Not less. And several people said he wasn't a max player because he didn't play enough, just like me. In fact more people stated that than the opposite. The only thing Ive stated is that he doesn't make his teammates better. How many double doubles does he have? He scores well and is fairly efficient but he scores a lot in iso ball and is known for being a ball stopper.
You say oh look at Siakam. Ok. I say oh look at Lowry who just had his worst regular season in 7 seasons, BY FAR. 9 if you mandate his minutes being above 30MPG.
So I say again confidently, Kawhi is not a max player at 58 games per year. Or even 65. If he ever gets to playing 70 per year again, perhaps so. And he's not worth a 4 or 5 year contract until he has at least one more season under his belt to demonstrate he's not as fragile as glass.
So again I repeat, any GM that signs him to a max deal at 4 and especially 5 years will be gone by the time Kawhi finishes that contract. Take the bet. I'll be here.
Lol. Is one fewer still one fewer? And the word is fewer. Not less. And several people said he wasn't a max player because he didn't play enough, just like me. In fact more people stated that than the opposite. The only thing Ive stated is that he doesn't make his teammates better. How many double doubles does he have? He scores well and is fairly efficient but he scores a lot in iso ball and is known for being a ball stopper.
You say oh look at Siakam. Ok. I say oh look at Lowry who just had his worst regular season in 7 seasons, BY FAR. 9 if you mandate his minutes being above 30MPG. And he was either their leading scorer or second leading scorer. Lol. He not only got worse, he got way worse. And they won fewer games. FACT!
So I say again confidently, Kawhi is not a max player at 58 games per year. Or even 65. If he ever gets to playing 70 per year again, perhaps so. And he's not worth a 4 or 5 year contract until he has at least one more season under his belt to demonstrate he's not as fragile as glass.
So again I repeat, any GM that signs him to a max deal at 4 and especially 5 years will be gone by the time Kawhi finishes that contract. Take the bet. I'll be here.
Danny Green should get some love. He had a great shooting percentage and a defensive upgrade over DDR. Great season for the Raptors considering the load mgmt and Lowry having a below par year.
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I'm pretty good with math. That says the Raptors played 45 teams above .500 last year vs. 39 teams above .500 this year. And won one more game in total.
Kawhi is a very talented player. I'm not sure he's made much of an addition to the bottom line in Toronto, especially based on that. And really the ONLY way of claiming otherwise will be postseason success.
I think so too..how great? Who really knows. At the very least, I think he could have been all-star level talent.
The season is finally over. The Spurs won 1 more game than last year, and the Raptors won 1 fewer game than last year. Kawhi is exactly a 1 game negative, over the course of a season.
So that settles this thread forever then, right?
I thought that this was the thread we stop by whenever we feel like it and wish Kawhi a very pleasant " Kawhi"
You're telling me there was an actual conversation going on all this time?
Oh and since i stopped by
Go yourself Nephew
LOL. I never thought that would end the thread. , the Scola thread(s) went on for at least a couple of years. Besides - I think having a designated place to say a very pleasant " Kawhi" shouldn't be messed with.
Gotta keep this thread going until Kawhi goes to China.
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