Clippers: announcer SEETHES over James Harden, calls him a system player cheater

[spurraider21]

No it doesn't.

then yeah.... if you take any player from todays NBA and remove their skills, i'm sure they wont do as well in the 80's

[Benoit]

Harden hasn't dominated . Get back to us when he accomplishes anything of significance.

Being in the MVP race 4 out of 5 years is something only LeBron, Shaq, Jordan etc have ever done.

[Down Under]

Stop fouling him

[Arcadian]

Being in the MVP race 4 out of 5 years is something only LeBron, Shaq, Jordan etc have ever done.

"Being in the race"? What a ty distinction. That's like "being in the playoffs" but not actually winning. Except worse, because it's a media-voted award.

[Benoit]

"Being in the race"? What a ty distinction. That's like "being in the Finals" but not actually winning, nobody gives a - except worse, because it's a media-voted award.

If a team makes it to the finals 4 out of 5 times, winning once or twice, it's a of a run.

[DAF86]

If a team makes it to the finals 4 out of 5 times, winning once or twice, it's a of a run.

This is a djohn account, isn't it?

[DMC]

then yeah.... if you take any player from todays NBA and remove their skills, i'm sure they wont do as well in the 80's

If you took Harden from college and dropped in onto a team in the 80's, he doesn't develop the 3. If you took Harden of today and dropped him onto the same team, the first time he missed 3 in a row they bench him. The first time he doesn't dump the ball into the big in the post, they bench him. When he does that step back and launches a shot that doesn't go, they bench him. Those are not good shots for those days when you have bigs under the rim calling for the ball.

So no, James would not dominate. He's no MJ. He doesn't really play the midrange game. He doesn't jump over people.

If he was already a superstar in name, then sure. He's already dominated. He'd get the freedom play that RS game style and try to rack up points. What team was scoring 140 a game back in the 80's?

There were no other real 3pt threats that would shoot 15 3's a game back then. I think the most 3's a game back then on average was 5 by someone like Mark Price. Suddenly James is going to shoot 15-20 of these a night? This was before all the bigs wanted to be stretch 4s and they guarded the rim.

[DMC]

Being in the MVP race 4 out of 5 years is something only LeBron, Shaq, Jordan etc have ever done.

When he wins a championship or 3 we'll put him in that category.

[spurraider21]

If you took Harden from college and dropped in onto a team in the 80's, he doesn't develop the 3. If you took Harden of today and dropped him onto the same team, the first time he missed 3 in a row they bench him. The first time he doesn't dump the ball into the big in the post, they bench him. When he does that step back and launches a shot that doesn't go, they bench him. Those are not good shots for those days when you have bigs under the rim calling for the ball.

So no, James would not dominate. He's no MJ. He doesn't really play the midrange game. He doesn't jump over people.

If he was already a superstar in name, then sure. He's already dominated. He'd get the freedom play that RS game style and try to rack up points. What team was scoring 140 a game back in the 80's?

There were no other real 3pt threats that would shoot 15 3's a game back then. I think the most 3's a game back then on average was 5 by someone like Mark Price. Suddenly James is going to shoot 15-20 of these a night? This was before all the bigs wanted to be stretch 4s and they guarded the rim.

i think the better argument is that the rest of the team does not have a modern 3 point shot and the bigs weren't athletic rim rollers, but rather low post guys... so his pick and roll game wouldn't have the spacing it does now.

[Neo.]

If you took Harden from college and dropped in onto a team in the 80's, he doesn't develop the 3. If you took Harden of today and dropped him onto the same team, the first time he missed 3 in a row they bench him. The first time he doesn't dump the ball into the big in the post, they bench him. When he does that step back and launches a shot that doesn't go, they bench him. Those are not good shots for those days when you have bigs under the rim calling for the ball.

So no, James would not dominate. He's no MJ. He doesn't really play the midrange game.

lol picking and choosing

if he doesnt develop the three due to living in the 80s, then why wouldn't he develop a midrange game which was heavily taught in those days?

[DMC]

lol picking and choosing

if he doesnt develop the three due to living in the 80s, then why wouldn't he develop a midrange game which was heavily taught in those days?

He might, but there's no evidence from then or now to suggest that he would develop a better than average mid range game. His being judged by how he exploits the current NBA defense or lack thereof. I'm not the one trying to translate his game to the 80's era and saying he would dominate. Those saying he would need to offer something as evidence. Harden relies on clearing space to get a shot off. He's not an incredibly gifted leaper, so his short range jumper doesn't exactly clear defenders from that era. MJ had that spin and shot. Those years Harden decided he didn't need to play defense, how well would have have dominated?

[DMC]

i think the better argument is that the rest of the team does not have a modern 3 point shot and the bigs weren't athletic rim rollers, but rather low post guys... so his pick and roll game wouldn't have the spacing it does now.

People here think he'd eurostep his way to the Finals and that people like Hakeem and David wouldn't take his to the cheap seats.

[313]

Harden isn’t a twink like Curry who’s only polarizing talent(shooting) is bound by generational trends(increase in 3PA, spacing the floor, etc).

He’s an elite ball handler, passer, slasher, and has a strong enough build to play physical. His Bball IQ is underrated as well. He keeps finding new ways no one else thought of to exploit defenses. Something every great offensive player did.

[Neo.]

He might, but there's no evidence from then or now to suggest that he would develop a better than average mid range game.

The fact that he developed an elite three point shot to help jumpstart a three point shooting era should probably qualify as good evidence that he could develop a better than average mid range game in a mid range era.

[Biggems]

Harden would dominate any era, 3 point era or not. People who deny his greatness are taking his lack of entertainment for lack of skill.

The Bad boys, the Knicks, and the Pacers would have raped his flopping ass. The Bad boys along would have bukkaked all over him with great joy, turning him into Alice in the Palace.

[DMC]

The fact that he developed an elite three point shot to help jumpstart a three point shooting era should probably qualify as good evidence that he could develop a better than average mid range game in a mid range era.

When he doesn't the bed in the playoffs, you might have a leg to stand on.

[Neo.]

When he doesn't the bed in the playoffs, you might have a leg to stand on.

That literally has nothing to do with skillsets. lol changing criteria