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There's a Spurs playoffs game going on, tbh.
I say ball sports because obviously the best athlete would come from the Track and Field domain, namely a decathlete. But speaking of the decathlon, I think it is the best measure of total athleticism, testing sprinting, running plus jumping, two forms of jumping (high jump plus long jump), throwing (Javelin and Discus), core (shot put), and stamina (mile). These athletes might not necessarily be the best in their sport (some are), just the ones I feel would flourish in a test of total athleticism.
1. Mike Trout
I can already hear the grumblings from you know who (buy your Malaria nets yet?), but feel free to prove me wrong. Let's look at Trout's pure athletic metrics.
- Arm strength of 95+mph
- 21.50 MPH in game sprint speed over 90 feet (top NFL in game sprint speed was 22.09 MPH over 99 feet)
- (more sprint context) Trout's average time over 70 feet in game is 3.08, on loose dirt. The NBA combine tests 3/4 court sprint speed (70 feet), on a surface more conducive to maxing speed. The fastest PGs turn in similar times.
- 470 foot in game power, suggesting re level core strength.
- Can dunk from a standing position, despite being 6'2" with relatively short arms. Standing box jump of 65". I'd put Trout's vert in the 38"-40" range.
- His off-season workouts are grueling. Should have no problem with the mile.
Trout actually isn't the fastest, strongest, or highest jumper in the MLB, and I looked hard at Byron Buxton (another freak), but for other players, speed comes at the expensive or size/strength. Strength at the expense of speed. Trout is the perfect size/speed package at 6'2" 240lb. I know of no other athlete more complete in ball sports.
2. Odell Beckham Jr.
I looked hard to find a football player that excels across those traits tested in the decathlon. Most NFL position players can't throw worth a , and the athletic QBs I looked at (Mahomes, etc) were surprisingly slow (Mahomes 4.8 40 yard) or low jumpers. And players like Tyreek Hill are vastly undersized. What sold me on Beckham was him being an elite HS high and long jumper. He seems to be the most complete NFL athlete.
- 4.43 40.
- 38 1/2" vertical
- 7 reps in the 225lb (admittedly a bit weak, but he's gained size since the combine)
- There's video of him pitching. His form is competent. I'd estimate his arm strength at about 80mph.
- 6 foot, 210lb package (JJ Watt might have the greatest size-to-athletic ratio in sports, but again, all that size comes at a sacrifice).
- Football isn't a stamina sport, but running a mile is nothing for NFL players.
3. Lebron James
Have to pick him, right? And I wasn't intending this to be a list that neatly conforms to the Big 3 sports. I don't have to go into detail. We know Lebron's athleticism intimately at this point.
To keep this from being long, I'll stop at 3, but here's a few honorable mentions: Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, JJ Watt, Cam Newton, Russell Westbrook, Giancarlo Stanton, Byron Buxton.
No, no. Not an implied burn at soccer or other foreign sports. Problem is soccer players specialize and only play one sport their entire lives. Their size/athlete ratio is also poor. American athletes grow up playing multiple sports and thus develop a more versatile athletic base. Perhaps there's an all-around Aussie athlete that grew up playing cricket, AFL, rugby, and similarly developed a range of athletic abilities that can transition to different sports. Haven't found him.
Last edited by midnightpulp; 04-16-2019 at 08:56 PM.
There's a Spurs playoffs game going on, tbh.
today's NBA
Aaron Donald
Aaon Judge
Cam Newton
maybe Kyler Murray already?
#1 and #2 contain no lateral movement
#3 is played on a court/field the size of a tennis court
Track and field: more brainless vertical movement.
My nominee for GOAT athlete under american viewpoint criteria
Would like to see where Alabama QB is at. Tua.
Not suggesting he is a top 20 rather would just like to see.
lol comparing baseball sprinting to NFL when they're wearing much more gear and running on grass
Football and baseball contain a lot of lateral movement. A wide receiver cutting to get open, a center fielder cutting to break on a flyball or a base stealer making his first move (it's a lateral move). If you think a floptrot player belongs, I can't agree. They're too undersized, can't throw, and aren't any faster than the bigger and stronger athletes in other sports.#1 and #2 contain no lateral movement
#3 is played on a court/field the size of a tennis court
Track and field: more brainless vertical movement.
My nominee for GOAT athlete under american viewpoint criteria
You forgot to add their amazing gum muscles from all the seasame seed chewing while they sit on the bench 90% of the time.
Dem seasame seeds and tobaco chewing takes a lot of physical ability
The fastest baseball players are about as fast as the fastest football players. Running on grass is easier than running on the loose dirt of a baseball infield. It's not a track surface. But in any event, let's look at raw times, sans gear.
Terrence Gore is probably the fastest player in baseball. Ran a 4.29 40.
Tyreek Hill could've probably been an Olympic sprinter. Ran a 4.24 40.
Let's look at bigger builds. Shaquem Griffin (6'0", 230lb) ran a 4.38 40 with a 20 yard split of 2.58s. Fastest LB time ever. (note, Griffin's HS weight was 188, so he probably wasn't 230lb at the combine).
Mike Trout (6'2", 240lb) has an in game average 60 foot split of 2.75s, which is ran on less speedy surface than the ideal combine conditions.
Last edited by midnightpulp; 04-17-2019 at 06:56 PM.
Soccer is light jogging with a ball involved. They don't belong on a list with real athletes. The greatest soccer athlete in human history was laboratory tested in ideal conditions and discovered to basically have the same athletic ability as Prince Fielder
Seriously, though. I'm not hating on soccer athletes. The problem is, from a pure athleticism point-of-view, is that game prioritizes stamina much, much more than other athletic traits. Builds more conducive to stamina have less muscle mass. Sure, there's some "shredded" outliers in the sport, but the majority of soccer players have bird-chested, girlie builds.
Last edited by midnightpulp; 04-17-2019 at 07:01 PM.
Shaquem Griffin measured 227 lb at the combine.
And? Trout in ideal combine conditions would post a similar time. To reiterate, that 60 foot split is an average, not a top time, and ran on an infield.
what do you mean And?
That was in direct response to your post where you said Griffin weighed 188 in HS and therefore probably wasn't 230 at the combine. He was 227.
and no doubt that trout is an elite athlete
> "A BMI of greater than 30 is considered to be in the obese (over fat) category. In 2012, the average BMI in the NFL was 31.35"
Sure, there's some "shredded" outliers in the sport, but the majority of football players have round-belly, slob builds.
Not athletes
JoggingSoccer is light jogging with a ball involved. They don't belong on a list with real athletes. The greatest soccer athlete in human history was laboratory tested in ideal conditions and discovered to basically have the same athletic ability as Prince Fielder
Seriously, though. I'm not hating on soccer athletes. The problem is, from a pure athleticism point-of-view, is that game prioritizes stamina much, much more than other athletic traits. Builds more conducive to stamina have less muscle mass. Sure, there's some "shredded" outliers in the sport, but the majority of soccer players have bird-chested, girlie builds.
Your first post was a
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/runni...=&team=&min=10
A 3.61 80 foot time places in about 180-200 range.
A soccer player covers about 7 miles/10km in 90 minutes. Walking speed is 5mph. Do the mathJogging
Your reach knows no boundsA soccer player covers about 7 miles/10km in 90 minutes. Walking speed is 5mph. Do the math
i dont give a about soccer or baseball tbh, i dont care who wins that pissing contestYour first post was a
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/runni...=&team=&min=10
A 3.61 80 foot time places in about 180-200 range.
I'll mention that the average Boxer and MMA fighter more closely resembles a Soccer physique than NFL.
Athletes make mental mistakes when they physically tire. This crucial aspect of athletics doesn't exist in NFL. Is it really a sport?
What? You're cheating here, as the build totally depends on weight class.
The HW division fighters are built more like linebackers than anything else. Here's the thing I find puzzling when soccer fans try to play up the stamina demands of the sport. A soccer player covers about 7 miles over 90 minutes with a 15 min half-time break. There is absolutely nothing exceptional about that. See my reply to Apa. A 102 year old ran that distance in 1:34. Sure, soccer features some sprinting, but they're not in a constant sprint the entire game and have plenty of time to recover in-game for their next sprints (the stats show this. Soccer players average walking speed over the match, meaning they balance their sprints with walking, lightly jogging, etc). Jerry Rice's off-season training regimen was world's more demanding than that.
No ball sport is really a stamina sport. Stamina sports are triathlons, marathons, crossfit, etc.
Good for you. So what was the point of your first reply? Are you denying NFL and MLB players don't have similar sprinting abilities?
you compared trout's in-game speed to NFL in-game speed. thats disingenuous.
then for some reason you were skeptical of shaquem griffin's weight at the combine. i told you that he indeed weighed in at 227 and then you changed the subject to how amazing trout is.
then you turned it into baseball vs soccer
BMI is a poor indicator of fitness.
^BMI of 35.
I do agree that football features the fattest athletes in all of ball sports, but even those 360lb monsters are uber-athletic, running 5.0 40 times.
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