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    lol keep talking

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    Make Stealing From a Charity THE Centerpiece for Impeachment

    The State of New York has been prosecuting a civil case against Trump and his family for their many charity frauds. This doesn’t mean it cannot become a criminal case in the future. Moreover, it certainly doesn’t mean it cannot be part of impeachment proceedings.

    Marc S. Owens, a former head of the IRS’s nonprofit division, called the suit “an extraordinary catalogue of how not to run a private foundation.

    There’s little else [Trump] could have done that would have made it worse.”


    It is most likely that all of these crimes occurred before Trump assumed office.

    Does the High Crimes and Misdemeanors Clause of the Cons ution allow for offenses committed prior to federal political or judicial office?

    The short answer is yes.

    The long answer is still yes,
    and

    it can be found on my offsite cache of relevant materials
    here.

    the centerpiece for any impeachment of Trump should be his embezzlement from charity.

    The reasons are:

    (1) It is so de able it is an easier sell to the public than violations of the Emoluments Clause or Campaign Finance laws.

    (2) It is easily understood and memed: What kind of Monster steals from a Charity?

    (3) It is easily established. Let’s look at the last of those reasons first.

    The Open and Shut Case for Embezzlement


    New York would charge these crimes under their embezzlement/larceny statute, which

    requires that the Government prove the
    following elements per Section 155.05 of the New York Penal Law:

    1. A person steals property and commits larceny when, with intent to deprive another of property or to appropriate the same to himself ... he wrongfully takes ... such property from an owner thereof.

    2. Larceny includes a wrongful taking, obtaining or withholding of another's property, with the intent prescribed in subdivision one of this section, committed in any of the following ways:

    (a) By conduct heretofore defined or known as ... embezzlement….


    There would be a number of counts in the embezzlement from a Charity article of impeachment.

    One of the counts would involve

    Trump embezzling $100,000.00 from his Charity to settle a private lawsuit

    involving a fifty-foot-tall flagpole at Mar-a-Lago.

    This is one of those

    High Crimes and Misdemeanors that is already proved beyond a reasonable doubt,

    as Trump wrote out and then initialed his own confession:


    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/4/14/1850151/-Make-Stealing-From-a-Charity-THE-Centerpiece-for-Impeachment

    And what about the absolute FRAUD of Trash University, costing Trash $25M?



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    Prodded by Putin, Russians Sought Back Channels to Trump Through the Business World

    The outreach by Mr. Dmitriev, according to the special counsel’s report, was part of

    a broad, makeshift effort by the Kremlin to establish ties to Mr. Trump that began early in the campaign and shifted into high gear after Mr. Trump’s victory.

    Those efforts were channeled largely through people in the business world in both countries.

    Especially after the election, they led to

    a conflation of diplomatic and financial interests that was a stark departure from the carefully calibrated contacts typically managed by an incoming administration in the United States.

    Mr. Trump’s on-the-fly campaign,

    lack of preparation for victory and

    disorganized transition created a vacuum

    that, as Russia sought out avenues of access and influence, was quickly filled by a number of people from outside established foreign policy circles,

    many of whom appeared eager to portray themselves as access brokers or to generate business opportunities.

    his report made clear how vigorously Mr. Putin sought to find points of contact and influence with Mr. Trump’s team — and

    how many people on the American side were willing to participate to one degree or another in discussions

    that touched on topics as varied as Mr. Trump’s desire to build a Moscow hotel to United States policy toward Ukraine.

    the would-be influence peddlers in the United States and in Russia generally proceeded without much regard for the growing recognition that

    Moscow had just interfered in multiple ways with the American election and

    that any contacts outside established channels — especially those that mixed business and diplomacy — carried substantial political risks.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/us/politics/trump-putin-russia-mueller.html?partner=rss&emc=rss



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    That moment when the woman who was sexually objectified throughout the 90s, burns the side she's supposedly on. Ouch

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    Badgering a guy at church. Not even close to a new low for MSNBC though.

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    That moment when the woman who was sexually objectified throughout the 90s, burns the side she's supposedly on. Ouch
    Swing and a miss.

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    Par.

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    Two cant reads.

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    Eunuch Reck shutting down.

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    THE “RED LINE” INVESTIGATIONS THAT WILL HAUNT TRUMP’S PRESIDENCY

    With 14 potential cases referred by the special prosecutor, investigators in New York, Washington, and Congress are zeroing in on the president, his family, and his business dealings.

    perhaps the most chilling moment in the Mueller report occurs on page 446, where

    the special counsel reveals that he has referred a total of 14 potential cases to other prosecutors.

    special counsel investigations have a habit of unearthing other, unrelated criminality in the process.

    Perhaps that is why, when Trump first learned that Mueller had been appointed, according to the report,

    he slumped back in his chair and exclaimed, “I’m ed.”


    12 of the 14 referrals that Mueller outsourced were redacted and remain shrouded in secrecy.

    it is clear that Trump’s nightmare is just beginning.

    Below is an accounting of the known legal threats Trumpworld has yet to grapple with.

    The Southern District and the Hush-Money Payments

    New York State and Trump’s Taxes

    New York Attorney General and Trump

    The Trump Inaugural Committee

    Congressional Inquiries

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/donald-trump-mueller-report-referral-investigations?mbid=nl_th_5cbd0e635ec6062e3c5c4c55 &CNDID=43758549&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mai ling=VF_Hive_042219&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd67955 24c17c1048022fcc&user_id=43758549&hasha=992d608214 b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c 3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a1666 5b1987080ca5b72e2ee762b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=boun ceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_042219&utm_term=VYF_Hive

    Probably because you people are always WAY behind The Great Boutons in breaking news

    The Repugs are now using a phrase that Barr and the Repugs used 25+ years ago to pardon Iran-Contra CRIMINALS,

    calling their actions "mistakes" and

    calling pursuit of those criminals "criminalizing (Repug) politics"

    "criminalizing (Repug) politics" we, and least The Great Boutons is, are hearing that phrase now as the craven, less, compromised Repugs spew propaganda trying to defend yet another criminal Repug President.



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    These are the 5 reasons a non-president would be prosecuted for obstruction — yet Trump wasn’t


    “The allegations that the Mueller report lays out are really quite devastating,” he explained.

    “That shows that Trump went and said to Jim Comey in the Oval Office,

    ‘Hey, you should really let Michael Flynn go.’ And Trump even denied to Mueller a lot about that and about why he said it.

    And Mueller’s report finds that Trump’s explanations were not as credible as Jim Comey’s who was consistent throughout his stories and had contemporaneous evidence about it. So, there would be an obstructive act there.”

    Katyal said that “it sure smells really bad.”

    The second point is that Trump tried to get rid of the special counsel to protect himself and

    third that he tried to get his aides to lie for him.

    The fourth point, Melber said, is that Trump tried to quash the Russia probe at all cost.

    He made a special relationship with Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) who met with the president about the investigation on multiple occasions and ultimately shut down the investigation before any damning information could be uncovered.

    Finally, Trump tried to have his former Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, attempt to un-recuse himself from the investigation.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/04/5-r...t-trump-wasnt/

    If the Dems do not impeach, or at very least vote up a horrible, long censure,

    they will be as compromised and complicit with Trash and his mafiya as are the Repugs.



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    Preet Bharara: Mueller Report Shows He ‘Absolutely’ Believes Trump Can Be Prosecuted Once He Leaves Office

    “Is there [legal] exposure for President Trump?” Tapper asked

    “Yes, look, I mean, the Mueller view, it seems to me, if you look at the do ent, is that

    they absolutely believe there is a potential viable prosecution once Donald Trump leaves office,” Bharara said.
    “I mean, he says in great particularity that,

    although you cannot prosecute a sitting president under the OLC interpretation, we are nonetheless preserving evidence,

    while memories are fresh and do ents are available, because

    a president, once he leaves office, can be charged with crimes committed while in office.”

    But the position of the Mueller team, to me, is clearly the case they think there’s future legal jeopardy.”

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/preet-mueller-report-shows-he-absolutely-believes-trump-can-be-prosecuted-once-he-leaves-office/

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    Preet Bharara Goes Off on Giuliani for ‘Extraordinary’ Comment on Taking Info from Russians: He Should Retract

    Rudy Giuliani Sunday morning for saying on CNN that there’s “nothing wrong with taking information from Russians.”

    it’s stunning to suggest

    “that we should be telling future candidates in the run-up to an election in 2020 that

    if an adversary, a foreign adversary, is offering information against a political opponent,

    that it’s okay and right and proper and American and patriotic… to take that information.”


    “That’s an extraordinary statement,” he said. “And I would hope he would retract it.”

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/preet-bharara-goes-off-on-giuliani-for-extraordinary-comment-on-taking-info-from-russians-he-should-retract/

    Julie Annie is saying getting oppo dirt from an adversary is OK,

    but Trash defenders, you assholes know who you are, claim a UK spy specializing in Russia who uncovers Trash's crimes is to be ignored when he gives the info to the FBI.



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    Joe Lockhart: AG Barr Did Incredible Disservice to the Country In ‘Lying’ About Mueller Report Findings

    Former White House Press Secretary
    Joe Lockhart

    shared harsh words for Attorney William Barr Monday morning, calling out the manner in which Barr presented the findings of the Mueller Report which he found to

    go beyond “spin” and called outright lying.
    “What he did was an incredible disservice to the country.

    The way he did it.

    The way he withheld the report and

    then on three separate occasions told the American public this is what the report says.

    So that everybody read it in that frame of mind.

    The fact is the report said just the opposite.

    You can call it misleading, spin. I call it lying.

    When you have

    the president of the United States,

    the press secretary,

    the attorney general

    all effortlessly lying


    something’s got to change.

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joe-lockhart-ag-barr-did-incredible-disservice-to-the-country-in-lying-about-mueller-report-findings/




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    Chris Wallace absolutely took Rudy Giuliani to the mat on Fox news yesterday.
    Sweat broke out on Giuliani’s forehead.

    It basically ended up with Giuliani saying I’m his lawyer so I have to defend him despite his lies.

    Wallace is the best interviewer on television.
    He is so thoroughly prepared and understanding situations that if the interviewee makes a questionable statement he will pounce on the spot and get to his other questions later.

    Later he got Schiff to admit he basically has the wrong definition of collusion.

    Wallace also had Bob Woodward and Woodward said that the first intelligence report that contained the dossier that was “hardly intelligence.” Later had dossier moved to a much less prominent role in the report ... this needs to be investigated.

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    Chris Wallace absolutely took Rudy Giuliani to the mat on Fox news yesterday.
    Sweat broke out on Giuliani’s forehead.

    It basically ended up with Giuliani saying I’m his lawyer so I have to defend him despite his lies.

    Wallace is the best interviewer on television.
    He is so thoroughly prepared and understanding situations that if the interviewee makes a questionable statement he will pounce on the spot and get to his other questions later.

    Later he got Schiff to admit he basically has the wrong definition of collusion.

    Wallace also had Bob Woodward and Woodward said that the first intelligence report that contained the dossier that was “hardly intelligence.” Later had dossier moved to a much less prominent role in the report ... this needs to be investigated.


    I'm surprised Giuliani just didn't talk over him like he did when Chuck Todd was interviewing him.

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    The scientific maneuver Mueller used that implicates the president

    Mueller does not set out to prove that the president engaged in obstruction of justice;

    he logically disproves all the ways in which he didn’t.


    The maneuver that Mueller uses in Volume 2 is extraordinary. It’s a social scientist‘s delight and should be used as a case example in research methods classes. Special counsel Mueller uses the logic and procedure of the scientific method to arrive at his conclusion in his investigation about the possibility of obstruction of justice.

    rather than providing evidence to support a claim of obstruction, Mueller essentially sets out to falsify a null hypothesis that obstruction did not occur.

    use involves a process called
    falsification.

    The method was popularized by a philosopher named Karl Popper, who in the mid 20th century wrote a book called The Logic of Scientific Discovery.

    Popper argues that

    in science it is not possible to “prove” anything;

    rather, scientists seek to theorize all the possible explanations for a phenomenon, and

    then seek evidence to disprove as many of those explanations as possible.

    Mueller does something incredibly clever:

    He falsifies all of the alternative explanations.

    Mueller lays out all the possible explanations for what the president and his allies did.

    Then, one by one, Mueller provides the evidence showing that each of Trump’s associates who may have aided in obstructing justice in fact did not do so.

    The report exonerates these actors on this charge.


    The report does not exonerate the president.

    But it goes much further than that.

    The report falsifies all of the possible reasons the president should be exonerated and shows each one of these claims to be false.

    the remaining explanation must be true. This is the power of logic

    the only conclusion one can reasonably draw from the evidence Mueller presented is that the president in fact engaged in obstruction of justice.

    Mueller implicates his crimes without directly proving them.

    https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2019/4/22/18510837/mueller-report-president-trump



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    Something does not fit - after reading the Mueller report carefully -

    Before Barr:
    Muellers indictments were praised as "masterpieces" that showed a master at work - and experts and pundits agreed that Mueller "knows all" and the Trumps are ed -

    The Russian indictments were "expertly laid out" and every possible Russian tactic was exposed - Mueller even knew which computer used what internet address to commit conspiracy to defraud - etc...


    After Barr:

    Mueller abruptly closes up shop. Mueller suddenly states that the June 9th mtg - cannot be proved to be criminal because the office cannot show evidence that Trump Jr/Manafort/Kushner - "knew" that this behavior was a crime?
    Suddenly Mueller is saying that witnesses lost emails or erased memory so - "this office cannot prove" that this meeting or that meeting was not a criminal conspiracy?
    Suddenly Mueller opts to allow Trump to solely give written answers - but only on a small portion of the investigation - and Trump basically says "I don't recall" and Mueller lets him off the hook?


    So many cowardly and half ass decisions =

    AFTER the first part (before Barr) where Mueller impressed with his mastery of the law?


    Something is rotten in Denmark.

    No Trump Jr. grand jury testimony, no nothing - just suddenly - this "deference" to the criminal traitor???

    Mueller must testify - and tell the world if he - and he alone - made these non-prosecutory decisions.
    Last edited by Spurs Homer; 04-22-2019 at 04:15 PM.

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    Hilarious that DJT Jr couldn't have committed a crime, because he's too stupid and ignorant.

    Since when is ignorance a defense?

    I expect some, most? of those 14 criminal referrals that Mueller spewed out will result in convictions.

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    Hilarious that DJT Jr couldn't have committed a crime, because he's too stupid and ignorant.

    Since when is ignorance a defense?

    I expect some, most? of those 14 criminal referrals that Mueller spewed out will result in convictions.

    yup

    i dont buy it

    ignorance of the law is not a valid defense

    it just seems that once barr took over - mueller suddenly became incompetent?

    nah - that

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