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    Looked to me like the team was expecting another super performance from White and when he couldn't deliver, they weren't able to recover the at ude that won some games before. White/s problems were hard to see coming. He acted as though he was a rookie again, waiting for the veterans to lead. He must be the best he can be for the Spurs to win against Denver. No excuses.

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    B- for Pop is mind-blowing. That's what I expect if Jeff McDougal was doing grades.
    I don't think it's really timvp.

    Based on his posts this season, I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff McDougal is now the operator of the timvp account.
    I try to stay above the fray but calling me Jeff McDougal crosses the line, tbh

    Honestly, though, blaming Pop for the Game 4 loss makes no sense. I expect Pop to be blamed by those who blame Pop for everything, obviously, because that's what they do.

    This objective cat is the same guy who was miserable during the golden years of this franchise. He's been calling Pop senile for a decade-plus. He thought Duncan and Ginobili should retire around 2010-2011. He hated Parker because he was "fat." His long running shtick is to whine about the Spurs not signing some Euro scrub they have the rights to (Sanikidze, Javtokas, Dangubic, etc.), whine about the young, athletic players not playing enough (James White, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, etc) because they couldn't possibly be worse than the veteran player he's bored of, and any time the Spurs lose in the playoffs it's Pop's fault. I mean, it's fine to be perma-miserable but at least remix the shtick every now and then. Not every Euro asset the Spurs have is a diamond in the rough, not every young player with athleticism is a star player Pop is holding back and, gasp, not every Spurs playoff loss is Pop's fault.

    I gave Pop plenty of low grades down the stretch run of the regular season. But I just don't see how anyone could honestly watch Game 4 and come to the conclusion that it was Pop's fault the Spurs lost.

    1) From midway through the first quarter until garbage time late in the fourth, the Spurs hit exactly zero (0) shots outside of the paint. None. I don't care what else happens in an NBA game, you can't win a game when you go 3+ quarters without hitting a shot outside of the paint. You couldn't win a game in 1999 like that ... much less in 2019.

    2) A lot is being made by the suicide lineup or whatever it's called but look at the actual game. When Belinelli and Mills entered the game in the first quarter, the Spurs were up by eight points. When they left the game in the second quarter, they were up by nine points. Please explain how Pop playing his bench players and his bench players actually increasing the lead is an example of how Pop lost the game. Honestly, I'd love to hear that explanation. The starters are the ones who lost the lead.

    3) I think it's safe to say we all love White but the truth was he was pretty damn bad in Game 4. In fact, Mills was better. Doesn't happen much but White was hurting the Spurs on both ends of the court. The only time the Spurs made any sort of run outside of his first stint was when White was on the bench. I know it's easy to be blind to bad games by young, exciting players but let us be objective.

    4) Expecting White to play 40 minutes is illogical. Each of his feet suffered overuse injuries already this season. When he returned the second time, the doctors put him on a strict minutes restriction to help him get through the season. On top of that, he has said after these playoff games that he's been exhausted on the court ... and that's with him playing ~32 minutes. Pushing him much more than that would be reckless. Besides, with the Warriors still around, is it really worth it to risk the long-term health of your best young player? I don't see how it is.

    5) The Spurs have struggled mightily all season when Rudy Gay plays poorly or has missed games. Right now, it'd be difficult for him to play much worse. The truth is, with how this roster is constructed, without Gay punishing mismatches, the Spurs lack firepower. They've made up for it at times this series by having White play out of his mind but in a normal situation, the Spurs are going to struggle to beat playoff teams without Gay producing. I can't imagine anything Pop is doing that is causing Gay to play worse than he ever has in a Spurs uniform.

    6) Pop not putting Aldridge into the game in the fourth quarter was interesting. Did it make a difference in the win or loss? No. They were down ~15 when Aldridge would have normally returned and they were circling the drain. It was interesting because Aldridge is the type of player who would get miffed by that snub -- even though it made a lot of sense. With the Nuggets not doubling Aldridge and Aldridge not being physical, the offense had a low ceiling if he went back out there -- a couple fadeaway jumpers and that was about it. Poeltl and some shooters around him at least kept the possibility alive of quick 9-0 run to get them back into the game.

    7) While the Spurs literally couldn't hit a shot, the Nuggets were busy making contested three-pointers left and right. Torrey Craig is a nice little player but him going 5-for-7 is definitely in the fluke category. He's a low volume, 31% career three-point shooter. Him going for a career-high five threes is more bad luck than anything -- especially bad coaching. Oh, and Barton had been terrible shooting-wise for like a month and he goes 3-for-3 from deep. Well done; not Pop's fault.

    8) Rotations-wise, I agree with just about everything. It's the exact starting lineup I prefer. I thought Pop should play Poeltl more minutes due to matchups even though Poeltl hasn't been a big minute player all season ... and now Poeltl is playing big minutes. The bench is struggling but that's mostly on Gay playing poorly. Without Gay providing a focal point for the bench unit, there's just not enough talent. Belinelli was an obvious weak spot in the rotation going into this series but he has played even worse than expected. Bertans has to be hid somewhere away from Millsap. But, really, the bench has to play some minutes. There's no one else to turn to (as exciting as Lonnie Walker IV is, going with a 20-year-old who was meh in G-League isn't the prudent move some make it out to be). If Gay, Belinelli, Mills, Bertans, etc are all struggling ... what is Pop supposed to do?

    9) Gameplan-wise, I think the coaches have been pretty damn great. They adjusted on the fly and have consistently put Aldridge and DeRozan in advantageous sets. They realized White was being ignored so they made him the focus of pick-and-rolls. Even when the Spurs aren't scoring, it hasn't often been a case of not having quality opportunities. On defense, they're making life difficult for Jokic to create and find cutters. They're trying to make their guards and swimgmen shoot low percentage jumpers. In Game 4, yes they hit contested threes, but they shot only 43% on two-pointers. For the most part, the defensive gameplan worked as it was supposed to.



    I'll blame Pop when there is reason to blame Pop. I don't find much value in being a wonderbread fan on either side of the sandwich who either always praises Pop or always blames Pop for everything, tbh.



    All that said, I think some of the worst games Pop has ever coached are Game 5s in which the series are tied 2-2

    This is when he has prematurely panicked, changed the rotation and made things worse instead of better (examples off the top of my head: benching Danny Green [actually taking him out of the rotation] in 2012 versus the Thunder, dusting off DeJuan Blair and putting him back in the rotation, panic starting Ginobili for the first time all season). If Pop overreacts this year and puts Dante Cunningham in the rotation or something like that, I'll be there to hand out pitchforks. But to blame him for an unwinnable game in which nothing he could have done would have changed the outcome outside of him going out there and knocking down some jumpers himself is not something someone would do if they're attempting to be objective, IMO.

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    I try to stay above the fray but calling me Jeff McDougal crosses the line, tbh

    Honestly, though, blaming Pop for the Game 4 loss makes no sense. I expect Pop to be blamed by those who blame Pop for everything, obviously, because that's what they do.

    This objective cat is the same guy who was miserable during the golden years of this franchise. He's been calling Pop senile for a decade-plus. He thought Duncan and Ginobili should retire around 2010-2011. He hated Parker because he was "fat." His long running shtick is to whine about the Spurs not signing some Euro scrub they have the rights to (Sanikidze, Javtokas, Dangubic, etc.), whine about the young, athletic players not playing enough (James White, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, etc) because they couldn't possibly be worse than the veteran player he's bored of, and any time the Spurs lose in the playoffs it's Pop's fault. I mean, it's fine to be perma-miserable but at least remix the shtick every now and then. Not every Euro asset the Spurs have is a diamond in the rough, not every young player with athleticism is a star player Pop is holding back and, gasp, not every Spurs playoff loss is Pop's fault.

    I gave Pop plenty of low grades down the stretch run of the regular season. But I just don't see how anyone could honestly watch Game 4 and come to the conclusion that it was Pop's fault the Spurs lost.

    1) From midway through the first quarter until garbage time late in the fourth, the Spurs hit exactly zero (0) shots outside of the paint. None. I don't care what else happens in an NBA game, you can't win a game when you go 3+ quarters without hitting a shot outside of the paint. You couldn't win a game in 1999 like that ... much less in 2019.

    2) A lot is being made by the suicide lineup or whatever it's called but look at the actual game. When Belinelli and Mills entered the game in the first quarter, the Spurs were up by eight points. When they left the game in the second quarter, they were up by nine points. Please explain how Pop playing his bench players and his bench players actually increasing the lead is an example of how Pop lost the game. Honestly, I'd love to hear that explanation. The starters are the ones who lost the lead.

    3) I think it's safe to say we all love White but the truth was he was pretty damn bad in Game 4. In fact, Mills was better. Doesn't happen much but White was hurting the Spurs on both ends of the court. The only time the Spurs made any sort of run outside of his first stint was when White was on the bench. I know it's easy to be blind to bad games by young, exciting players but let us be objective.

    4) Expecting White to play 40 minutes is illogical. Each of his feet suffered overuse injuries already this season. When he returned the second time, the doctors put him on a strict minutes restriction to help him get through the season. On top of that, he has said after these playoff games that he's been exhausted on the court ... and that's with him playing ~32 minutes. Pushing him much more than that would be reckless. Besides, with the Warriors still around, is it really worth it to risk the long-term health of your best young player? I don't see how it is.

    5) The Spurs have struggled mightily all season when Rudy Gay plays poorly or has missed games. Right now, it'd be difficult for him to play much worse. The truth is, with how this roster is constructed, without Gay punishing mismatches, the Spurs lack firepower. They've made up for it at times this series by having White play out of his mind but in a normal situation, the Spurs are going to struggle to beat playoff teams without Gay producing. I can't imagine anything Pop is doing that is causing Gay to play worse than he ever has in a Spurs uniform.

    6) Pop not putting Aldridge into the game in the fourth quarter was interesting. Did it make a difference in the win or loss? No. They were down ~15 when Aldridge would have normally returned and they were circling the drain. It was interesting because Aldridge is the type of player who would get miffed by that snub -- even though it made a lot of sense. With the Nuggets not doubling Aldridge and Aldridge not being physical, the offense had a low ceiling if he went back out there -- a couple fadeaway jumpers and that was about it. Poeltl and some shooters around him at least kept the possibility alive of quick 9-0 run to get them back into the game.

    7) While the Spurs literally couldn't hit a shot, the Nuggets were busy making contested three-pointers left and right. Torrey Craig is a nice little player but him going 5-for-7 is definitely in the fluke category. He's a low volume, 31% career three-point shooter. Him going for a career-high five threes is more bad luck than anything -- especially bad coaching. Oh, and Barton had been terrible shooting-wise for like a month and he goes 3-for-3 from deep. Well done; not Pop's fault.

    8) Rotations-wise, I agree with just about everything. It's the exact starting lineup I prefer. I thought Pop should play Poeltl more minutes due to matchups even though Poeltl hasn't been a big minute player all season ... and now Poeltl is playing big minutes. The bench is struggling but that's mostly on Gay playing poorly. Without Gay providing a focal point for the bench unit, there's just not enough talent. Belinelli was an obvious weak spot in the rotation going into this series but he has played even worse than expected. Bertans has to be hid somewhere away from Millsap. But, really, the bench has to play some minutes. There's no one else to turn to (as exciting as Lonnie Walker IV is, going with a 20-year-old who was meh in G-League isn't the prudent move some make it out to be). If Gay, Belinelli, Mills, Bertans, etc are all struggling ... what is Pop supposed to do?

    9) Gameplan-wise, I think the coaches have been pretty damn great. They adjusted on the fly and have consistently put Aldridge and DeRozan in advantageous sets. They realized White was being ignored so they made him the focus of pick-and-rolls. Even when the Spurs aren't scoring, it hasn't often been a case of not having quality opportunities. On defense, they're making life difficult for Jokic to create and find cutters. They're trying to make their guards and swimgmen shoot low percentage jumpers. In Game 4, yes they hit contested threes, but they shot only 43% on two-pointers. For the most part, the defensive gameplan worked as it was supposed to.



    I'll blame Pop when there is reason to blame Pop. I don't find much value in being a wonderbread fan on either side of the sandwich who either always praises Pop or always blames Pop for everything, tbh.



    All that said, I think some of the worst games Pop has ever coached are Game 5s in which the series are tied 2-2

    This is when he has prematurely panicked, changed the rotation and made things worse instead of better (examples off the top of my head: benching Danny Green [actually taking him out of the rotation] in 2012 versus the Thunder, dusting off DeJuan Blair and putting him back in the rotation, panic starting Ginobili for the first time all season). If Pop overreacts this year and puts Dante Cunningham in the rotation or something like that, I'll be there to hand out pitchforks. But to blame him for an unwinnable game in which nothing he could have done would have changed the outcome outside of him going out there and knocking down some jumpers himself is not something someone would do if they're attempting to be objective, IMO.
    holy , you wrote this much over objective's posts?

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    Op got triggered by objective.

    Truth hurts?

    The reality is that the spurs lost because everyone played like ass save for Jakob and 50, but the lack of minute staggering is clear as day.

    I don't know how anyone can give pop a B in this game. Its just borderline ridiculous.

    Should pop be blamed for the loss alone? No. But he should definitely be judged based on his minute stggaring..

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    It wasnt just his inability to stagger minutes really, but the timeouts, plays after timeouts, the energy levels after quarters etc. Yes players should be blamed, but if you fail in every one of your in game responsibility as a coach
    .how can you possibly get a B?

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    yeah pop gave up
    that should always be a failing grade IMO

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    Op got triggered by objective.

    Truth hurts?

    The reality is that the spurs lost because everyone played like ass save for Jakob and 50, but the lack of minute staggering is clear as day.

    I don't know how anyone can give pop a B in this game. Its just borderline ridiculous.

    Should pop be blamed for the loss alone? No. But he should definitely be judged based on his minute stggaring..
    Yup lol

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    yeah pop gave up
    that should always be a failing grade IMO
    Totally gave up. You could tell. Stayed with that ty lineup so many mins into 4th quarter, most important game of the season like it was garbage time. Like it wasn't even the playoffs. In school when you quit, you get an F, not a B.

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    holy , you wrote this much over objective's posts?
    Meh, that's nothing. RIP whottt, tbh.

    but the lack of minute staggering is clear as day.
    Which specific "minute staggering" do you have a problem with, tbh? I'm assuming you mean DeRozan and White but the lead grew without them and they lost the lead when they returned to the court. How exactly did that play a role in the loss?

    It wasnt just his inability to stagger minutes really, but the timeouts,
    What issue did you have with timeouts? I don't remember an instance where timeouts factored into anything.

    plays after timeouts
    IIRC, Spurs got a Gay jumper over Plumlee, a good look on a Forbes three-pointer, a five second violation after White forgot how to play basketball and a Mills basket after timeouts.

    the energy levels after quarters etc.
    It's the playoffs. There's no coaching "energy level" at this stage of the season. During the dog days of the regular season? Sure. But not now.

    Yes players should be blamed, but if you fail in every one of your in game responsibility as a coach
    .how can you possibly get a B?
    I have literally not seen one responsibility of a coach that Pop failed at in Game 4 ... much less the hyperbolic claim of "every one." I gave him an average grade because I didn't think he did a whole lot that was too right or a whole lot that was too wrong. Truth be told, Pop's decisions didn't have much of an impact either way. There were a lot of reasons the Spurs lost ... coaching decisions were far down the list.

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    I try to stay above the fray but calling me Jeff McDougal crosses the line, tbh

    Honestly, though, blaming Pop for the Game 4 loss makes no sense. I expect Pop to be blamed by those who blame Pop for everything, obviously, because that's what they do.

    This objective cat is the same guy who was miserable during the golden years of this franchise. He's been calling Pop senile for a decade-plus. He thought Duncan and Ginobili should retire around 2010-2011. He hated Parker because he was "fat." His long running shtick is to whine about the Spurs not signing some Euro scrub they have the rights to (Sanikidze, Javtokas, Dangubic, etc.), whine about the young, athletic players not playing enough (James White, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, etc) because they couldn't possibly be worse than the veteran player he's bored of, and any time the Spurs lose in the playoffs it's Pop's fault. I mean, it's fine to be perma-miserable but at least remix the shtick every now and then. Not every Euro asset the Spurs have is a diamond in the rough, not every young player with athleticism is a star player Pop is holding back and, gasp, not every Spurs playoff loss is Pop's fault.

    I gave Pop plenty of low grades down the stretch run of the regular season. But I just don't see how anyone could honestly watch Game 4 and come to the conclusion that it was Pop's fault the Spurs lost.

    1) From midway through the first quarter until garbage time late in the fourth, the Spurs hit exactly zero (0) shots outside of the paint. None. I don't care what else happens in an NBA game, you can't win a game when you go 3+ quarters without hitting a shot outside of the paint. You couldn't win a game in 1999 like that ... much less in 2019.

    2) A lot is being made by the suicide lineup or whatever it's called but look at the actual game. When Belinelli and Mills entered the game in the first quarter, the Spurs were up by eight points. When they left the game in the second quarter, they were up by nine points. Please explain how Pop playing his bench players and his bench players actually increasing the lead is an example of how Pop lost the game. Honestly, I'd love to hear that explanation. The starters are the ones who lost the lead.

    3) I think it's safe to say we all love White but the truth was he was pretty damn bad in Game 4. In fact, Mills was better. Doesn't happen much but White was hurting the Spurs on both ends of the court. The only time the Spurs made any sort of run outside of his first stint was when White was on the bench. I know it's easy to be blind to bad games by young, exciting players but let us be objective.

    4) Expecting White to play 40 minutes is illogical. Each of his feet suffered overuse injuries already this season. When he returned the second time, the doctors put him on a strict minutes restriction to help him get through the season. On top of that, he has said after these playoff games that he's been exhausted on the court ... and that's with him playing ~32 minutes. Pushing him much more than that would be reckless. Besides, with the Warriors still around, is it really worth it to risk the long-term health of your best young player? I don't see how it is.

    5) The Spurs have struggled mightily all season when Rudy Gay plays poorly or has missed games. Right now, it'd be difficult for him to play much worse. The truth is, with how this roster is constructed, without Gay punishing mismatches, the Spurs lack firepower. They've made up for it at times this series by having White play out of his mind but in a normal situation, the Spurs are going to struggle to beat playoff teams without Gay producing. I can't imagine anything Pop is doing that is causing Gay to play worse than he ever has in a Spurs uniform.

    6) Pop not putting Aldridge into the game in the fourth quarter was interesting. Did it make a difference in the win or loss? No. They were down ~15 when Aldridge would have normally returned and they were circling the drain. It was interesting because Aldridge is the type of player who would get miffed by that snub -- even though it made a lot of sense. With the Nuggets not doubling Aldridge and Aldridge not being physical, the offense had a low ceiling if he went back out there -- a couple fadeaway jumpers and that was about it. Poeltl and some shooters around him at least kept the possibility alive of quick 9-0 run to get them back into the game.

    7) While the Spurs literally couldn't hit a shot, the Nuggets were busy making contested three-pointers left and right. Torrey Craig is a nice little player but him going 5-for-7 is definitely in the fluke category. He's a low volume, 31% career three-point shooter. Him going for a career-high five threes is more bad luck than anything -- especially bad coaching. Oh, and Barton had been terrible shooting-wise for like a month and he goes 3-for-3 from deep. Well done; not Pop's fault.

    8) Rotations-wise, I agree with just about everything. It's the exact starting lineup I prefer. I thought Pop should play Poeltl more minutes due to matchups even though Poeltl hasn't been a big minute player all season ... and now Poeltl is playing big minutes. The bench is struggling but that's mostly on Gay playing poorly. Without Gay providing a focal point for the bench unit, there's just not enough talent. Belinelli was an obvious weak spot in the rotation going into this series but he has played even worse than expected. Bertans has to be hid somewhere away from Millsap. But, really, the bench has to play some minutes. There's no one else to turn to (as exciting as Lonnie Walker IV is, going with a 20-year-old who was meh in G-League isn't the prudent move some make it out to be). If Gay, Belinelli, Mills, Bertans, etc are all struggling ... what is Pop supposed to do?

    9) Gameplan-wise, I think the coaches have been pretty damn great. They adjusted on the fly and have consistently put Aldridge and DeRozan in advantageous sets. They realized White was being ignored so they made him the focus of pick-and-rolls. Even when the Spurs aren't scoring, it hasn't often been a case of not having quality opportunities. On defense, they're making life difficult for Jokic to create and find cutters. They're trying to make their guards and swimgmen shoot low percentage jumpers. In Game 4, yes they hit contested threes, but they shot only 43% on two-pointers. For the most part, the defensive gameplan worked as it was supposed to.



    I'll blame Pop when there is reason to blame Pop. I don't find much value in being a wonderbread fan on either side of the sandwich who either always praises Pop or always blames Pop for everything, tbh.



    All that said, I think some of the worst games Pop has ever coached are Game 5s in which the series are tied 2-2

    This is when he has prematurely panicked, changed the rotation and made things worse instead of better (examples off the top of my head: benching Danny Green [actually taking him out of the rotation] in 2012 versus the Thunder, dusting off DeJuan Blair and putting him back in the rotation, panic starting Ginobili for the first time all season). If Pop overreacts this year and puts Dante Cunningham in the rotation or something like that, I'll be there to hand out pitchforks. But to blame him for an unwinnable game in which nothing he could have done would have changed the outcome outside of him going out there and knocking down some jumpers himself is not something someone would do if they're attempting to be objective, IMO.
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    I try to stay above the fray but calling me Jeff McDougal crosses the line, tbh

    Honestly, though, blaming Pop for the Game 4 loss makes no sense. I expect Pop to be blamed by those who blame Pop for everything, obviously, because that's what they do.

    This objective cat is the same guy who was miserable during the golden years of this franchise. He's been calling Pop senile for a decade-plus. He thought Duncan and Ginobili should retire around 2010-2011. He hated Parker because he was "fat." His long running shtick is to whine about the Spurs not signing some Euro scrub they have the rights to (Sanikidze, Javtokas, Dangubic, etc.), whine about the young, athletic players not playing enough (James White, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, etc) because they couldn't possibly be worse than the veteran player he's bored of, and any time the Spurs lose in the playoffs it's Pop's fault. I mean, it's fine to be perma-miserable but at least remix the shtick every now and then. Not every Euro asset the Spurs have is a diamond in the rough, not every young player with athleticism is a star player Pop is holding back and, gasp, not every Spurs playoff loss is Pop's fault.

    I gave Pop plenty of low grades down the stretch run of the regular season. But I just don't see how anyone could honestly watch Game 4 and come to the conclusion that it was Pop's fault the Spurs lost.

    1) From midway through the first quarter until garbage time late in the fourth, the Spurs hit exactly zero (0) shots outside of the paint. None. I don't care what else happens in an NBA game, you can't win a game when you go 3+ quarters without hitting a shot outside of the paint. You couldn't win a game in 1999 like that ... much less in 2019.

    2) A lot is being made by the suicide lineup or whatever it's called but look at the actual game. When Belinelli and Mills entered the game in the first quarter, the Spurs were up by eight points. When they left the game in the second quarter, they were up by nine points. Please explain how Pop playing his bench players and his bench players actually increasing the lead is an example of how Pop lost the game. Honestly, I'd love to hear that explanation. The starters are the ones who lost the lead.

    3) I think it's safe to say we all love White but the truth was he was pretty damn bad in Game 4. In fact, Mills was better. Doesn't happen much but White was hurting the Spurs on both ends of the court. The only time the Spurs made any sort of run outside of his first stint was when White was on the bench. I know it's easy to be blind to bad games by young, exciting players but let us be objective.

    4) Expecting White to play 40 minutes is illogical. Each of his feet suffered overuse injuries already this season. When he returned the second time, the doctors put him on a strict minutes restriction to help him get through the season. On top of that, he has said after these playoff games that he's been exhausted on the court ... and that's with him playing ~32 minutes. Pushing him much more than that would be reckless. Besides, with the Warriors still around, is it really worth it to risk the long-term health of your best young player? I don't see how it is.

    5) The Spurs have struggled mightily all season when Rudy Gay plays poorly or has missed games. Right now, it'd be difficult for him to play much worse. The truth is, with how this roster is constructed, without Gay punishing mismatches, the Spurs lack firepower. They've made up for it at times this series by having White play out of his mind but in a normal situation, the Spurs are going to struggle to beat playoff teams without Gay producing. I can't imagine anything Pop is doing that is causing Gay to play worse than he ever has in a Spurs uniform.

    6) Pop not putting Aldridge into the game in the fourth quarter was interesting. Did it make a difference in the win or loss? No. They were down ~15 when Aldridge would have normally returned and they were circling the drain. It was interesting because Aldridge is the type of player who would get miffed by that snub -- even though it made a lot of sense. With the Nuggets not doubling Aldridge and Aldridge not being physical, the offense had a low ceiling if he went back out there -- a couple fadeaway jumpers and that was about it. Poeltl and some shooters around him at least kept the possibility alive of quick 9-0 run to get them back into the game.

    7) While the Spurs literally couldn't hit a shot, the Nuggets were busy making contested three-pointers left and right. Torrey Craig is a nice little player but him going 5-for-7 is definitely in the fluke category. He's a low volume, 31% career three-point shooter. Him going for a career-high five threes is more bad luck than anything -- especially bad coaching. Oh, and Barton had been terrible shooting-wise for like a month and he goes 3-for-3 from deep. Well done; not Pop's fault.

    8) Rotations-wise, I agree with just about everything. It's the exact starting lineup I prefer. I thought Pop should play Poeltl more minutes due to matchups even though Poeltl hasn't been a big minute player all season ... and now Poeltl is playing big minutes. The bench is struggling but that's mostly on Gay playing poorly. Without Gay providing a focal point for the bench unit, there's just not enough talent. Belinelli was an obvious weak spot in the rotation going into this series but he has played even worse than expected. Bertans has to be hid somewhere away from Millsap. But, really, the bench has to play some minutes. There's no one else to turn to (as exciting as Lonnie Walker IV is, going with a 20-year-old who was meh in G-League isn't the prudent move some make it out to be). If Gay, Belinelli, Mills, Bertans, etc are all struggling ... what is Pop supposed to do?

    9) Gameplan-wise, I think the coaches have been pretty damn great. They adjusted on the fly and have consistently put Aldridge and DeRozan in advantageous sets. They realized White was being ignored so they made him the focus of pick-and-rolls. Even when the Spurs aren't scoring, it hasn't often been a case of not having quality opportunities. On defense, they're making life difficult for Jokic to create and find cutters. They're trying to make their guards and swimgmen shoot low percentage jumpers. In Game 4, yes they hit contested threes, but they shot only 43% on two-pointers. For the most part, the defensive gameplan worked as it was supposed to.



    I'll blame Pop when there is reason to blame Pop. I don't find much value in being a wonderbread fan on either side of the sandwich who either always praises Pop or always blames Pop for everything, tbh.



    All that said, I think some of the worst games Pop has ever coached are Game 5s in which the series are tied 2-2

    This is when he has prematurely panicked, changed the rotation and made things worse instead of better (examples off the top of my head: benching Danny Green [actually taking him out of the rotation] in 2012 versus the Thunder, dusting off DeJuan Blair and putting him back in the rotation, panic starting Ginobili for the first time all season). If Pop overreacts this year and puts Dante Cunningham in the rotation or something like that, I'll be there to hand out pitchforks. But to blame him for an unwinnable game in which nothing he could have done would have changed the outcome outside of him going out there and knocking down some jumpers himself is not something someone would do if they're attempting to be objective, IMO.
    Well, you've proven you're not McDougal, he would never write that much, too much work.

    First, I remember posting that I was fine with whatever the FO decided in those years, rebuild or goodbye-into-the-sunset, I was fine either way. I didn't think they'd le again (this was pre-kawhi), but hey, whatever.

    Among other things, your characterization of my post history is off, find a new slant. With regards to some of the euros you've mentioned, all I ever did was believe that they could be bench hustle players, or end of bench hustle players like Sanikidze and Dangubic, not starters or 6th men rotation guys. Milutinov yes. Javtokas could have played in that era before pace and space took off, and couldn't have been worse than Jackie Butler. I also had constant arguments in this forum that Scola could play in the NBA and was well worth the contract he got, which he was rumored to be looking for the whole time. My signature, which I rarely leave turned on, is still a glorious reminder of the bizarre anti-Scola arguments that flooded this place. Scola might not have been enough to get them a le in that 08-10 timespan, but I think he would have gotten them an extra series win at least.

    And I was damn right about Splitter too. I remember your takes on Splitter, and I'll be happy to brag on mine.

    And something else. I was right about Ian. Most posters here were convinced he couldn't play. Pop went out of his way to prove that he didn't think he could play. I haven't forgotten that game at Toronto where because Duncan had a an ankle sprain or some injury or sickness, and second night of a back to back, 23 hour turnaround even, that Pop held him out but dressed him. And instead of playing Ian in that meaningless regular season game, he waited until the start of the 2nd quarter already down 8 to get Duncan in the game and played him 29 out of the last 36 minutes. What was the point of that? They still lost anyway. Ian could have played.

    And I sure as don't remember being a Pops Mensah-Bonsu fan. Maybe in a game thread I could have brought up bringing him in if the team was down big, but other than that I don't know what you're talking about. I liked James White as an energy guy who could entertain, but there were no massive love letters to White like I've done with Simmons or Milutinov or Scola. Critique me for my belief in Simmons, not some imaginary James White cultism.

    Yes I called Parker fat, because he got fat. His game declined and I noticed, and I wasn't the only one. I knew the second he signed that last contract he wouldn't be worth it.

    Same with Mills. He's actually slimmed down during the season and isn't as fat as he used to be so I don't use the 'Fatty' nickname as often. But don't pretend like he didn't get fat. Are you a Mills-truther who thinks it's a great contract for him?

    And about the mass volume of your posts on the game with the shooting and the this and the that ... I don't see absolution of Pop. To me, when the talent is worse, or the players are playing worse, that's when the coaching decisions become More important, not less. Coaching becomes a bigger factor, not a smaller one. And the seemingly small things like the suicide lineup matter. They do.

    I kill Marco all the time and have been doing it for years, I don't want him in the playoffs, he's just bad. Pop seemingly agreed in 14 only using him sparingly against Miami. I don't want him out there. It'd be one thing if they needed Marco's size, but Denver plays 2s at the 3.

    Yes, Lonnie Walker could play. I'm not even some big Walker guy, I was all about Zhaire and Huerter in the draft, didn't think Walker would fall and as a result never watched him too closely. But I do feel the ceiling would be higher with a rookie Walker right now than Marco. I guess Walker could get backdoored, play bad defense, shoot off balance bricks and just be trash. But I think we get that from Marco about 75% of the time anyway.

    I already know I'm right about Walker. Just like me and a few others were right about White last year. And right about Splitter and right about Hill instead of Jacque Vaughn.

    And about White and his minutes ... I don't know about 40, but he can damn sure play more. It's funny, for all the worry about too many minutes for poor old Derrick, he actually played MORE minutes in the regular season against Denver on March 4 than he has in any playoff game. And that game was the fourth one back from the last stretch he missed with injury. Well, arguably fourth, he first came back for Toronto and then sat against the Knicks.

    If Derrick White can play over 35 minutes in a regular season game in Denver fresh off missing games due to injury, I don't think it's unreasonable to think he could do it in the playoffs.

    It is the playoffs, right? Isn't that why they felt they had to pull the trigger on the Kawhi-DeRozan trade, to stay compe ive and be a playoff team?

    And lastly about Pop and coaching stuff: I only hold him accountable for the things he can control. He can't control missing shots. He can give instructions, but he can't control if a player just freezes and misses a rotation or loses his man. He can call plays, but he can't control how sharp the cuts are, how crisp the passes are. He can prepare the players pregame (and I feel he's awesome at preparation, rarely knock him for that), but he can't control if the players retain all the info and apply it. The prep against Harden in 17 was incredible. To this day I still admire the call to put Vaughn near the rim against Phoenix in 07 to force them to guard him.

    But he can control who plays and when.

    And this series should be over. I picked Denver in 5 and was wrong, I admit that easy. But they had the series sewn up and the rotation killed it. Denver loses game 2 and they quit, they aren't the Westphal Suns and the Spurs aren't the Sedale Threatt Lakers.

    Pop put the starters back in that game also, but getting it going matters. I remember Pop's bizarre pull of Bowen in 2008 G1 middle third quarter, after getting his third foul up 20. Kobe was shut down, but Bowen getting off the court set the stage for the comeback. That was it, it was done. And I don't care if Bruce slept on the plane, that game was lost when Bowen was taken out.

    Now sure, grand scheme of things, they probably lose the series to the Lakers anyway. Just like this season. I think they could beat Portland or OKC, and if Houston beat GS I'd pick the Spurs, I'm much higher on their Rockets matchup both because of White and that the iso ball creates hiding places for the not so good defenders. I wouldn't pick them in the finals, so ultimately does it matter if they lose to Denver when they probably were just delaying the inevitable? Maybe not, but I can still be upset when it happens if it was reasonably preventable.

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    Unc I agree overall but game 2? That was on pop a lot more than this one.

    I still don’t see why Beli is not eliminated from the rotation yet or at a minimum not on the floor at the same time as Mills. Bertans could take all of Belis minutes and guard Belis man better than Beli.

    Even if you think it’s wrong to extend Whites minutes at least play DeRozan 40
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