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You can teach basketball, but you can’t teach culture
And who's responsible for getting those pussies? Say it with me.
You can teach basketball, but you can’t teach culture
Pop is a great coach, but it isn't unusual to see great coaches not be as successful in their final years. Unfortunately POP is just not as good of a coach in today's NBA. While many teams go too far in valuing athleticism over skills, the Spurs have gone the other way, misjuding the importance of athleticism especially on the defensive side of the court. Add to that Pop's disdain of the 3pt line and moving forward I just see Pop's coaching style being less effective with today's players.
There is a reason almost every player has career shooting years under D'Antoni (although I think he is too lax in accountability), with the Spurs we see too many guys playing to not make mistakes.
Pop & the Spurs are still elite in player development, but they are gonna have to be willing to change to make the Spurs a contender again
Nah.
It's just Coach Malone defensive plan working well. Scouting has neutralized a handful of sets for Aldridge to get the ball in the post. They're not throwing perimeter players to double DeRozan's penetrations, just collapsing with the bigs when he's close to the basket. White han been challenged to shoot from 3pt on the dribble since he destroyed them penetrating. Gay is not surpassing his man 1on1.
All these situations make Spurs ball movement dissapear, there are no good shots for our shooters, no rythm or offensive flow. That's what makes our players look worst: tactics, strategy and coaching.
Poor starters would be overused if Stotts was coaching this team ��
Then what can we do to counter, coach?
This, although, I blame Leonard as well for forcing the Spurs to trade him.
Pop is guilty of over coaching AND under coaching simultaneously. Oh spurstalk, you never cease to amuse me!
Lots of threads blaming Pop, RC, Patty Mills etc.
for me it’s obvious two people are primarily responsible:
1. DeMar DeRozan
2. LaMarcus Aldridge
A distant third is Rudy Gay.
in the playoffs the star players should show up and make plays.
LMA decided to be non-impactful. DDR plays dumber than in regular seasons.
every second round team stars elevated their game in the post season: Boston, Bucks, Toronto, Philly, GS, HOU, Portland (especially Portland!!!) and sadly Denver stars too. Jokic is delivering. LMA completely losing the big man battle.
How it that out coached when the teams two stars, LA and DDR, are playing horrible on both ends of the court?
Coaching is not the issue, TALENT, IQ is the issue. TANK or else prepare for the same next season.
They need to limit the amount of derozan ball handling at the top of the key. Its extremely easy to collapse on a ball handler that cant shoot and is predictbly going for the drive or midrange. And Whites lack of three pointing, exacerbates that problem.
While you can sag off derrick white if hes handling the ball on the top of the key, it would be much more difficult to contain derozan if hes catching the ball on the wings.
A couple of things they should do more.
1. Frontcout/Frontcourt PNR...particularly Gay and Aldridge. This opens ups driving lanes for everyone, frees up the big and puts derrick white in a much better position to attack.
The raptors do this with Siakam at the 4. Leonard is almost always open for a quick drive and so is lowry.
Gay should be competent enough to perform this. They dont need to this at such a high usage rate, but def enough to make the offense more diverse.
2. Have derozan catch the ball in the the freethrow area.
Derozan is a PG is fine. I get it. Hes the wnd best PG out there, but Malone has done a decent job of adjusting to any Derozan ballhandling duties.
So supposedly all star players like LA and DDR, are afraid of making mistakes? This sounds more like players being soft than overcoaching. This Spur's team is obviously nowhere near as talented as the big 3, but, just out of curiosity, how often did you think did you think the championship Spur's teams "played freely" and were overcoached?
I'm just gonna leave this recently uploaded vid here and vent a couple of things.
Yes,the team is flawed.We all knew that since day 1.PATFO didn't do the best they could with roster construction,the rotation had holes,we were unlucky with injuries,the role players underperformed,the system was frustrating,Pop was stubborn with line ups,the allstars were letting the team down for long time periods,playoffs included,we lost games we were supposed to win,we are basically facing a rnd1 elimination again.
I feel disheartened from last night's game,frustrated like most in the forum,but still,i can't feel angry,i can't really blame anybody in particular.Even if it's gonna take a miracle to come back and win the series,i'm okay with it.
Nobody can sustain this kind of success for such a long period of time.It's been abnormal.I'm not talking just about HoFamers and the GOAT retiring.I'm also talking about Pop and RC.I'm talking about role players past their prime years.I'm talking about decisions and habits that a decade ago didn't have an effect on team performance,seemingly being magnified in today's NBA.
There are other teams with more talent than the current Spurs.It's normal.With deeper rotations.It's normal.With more salary space.It's absolutely normal.With emerging stars on the good side of 30 against our aging go to guys.Everything is normal.
As for us,the fans? We are frustrated and dissapointed.It's normal!
When as a fanbase you enjoy winning basketball for more than 2 decades,it has it's effects.
We have a pretty good basketball knowledge,better than most fanbases definitely.We have higher standards.We are accustomed to excellence.And i'm not talking about rings and chips.I'm talking about the actual game.We have enjoyed teams that played ENJOYABLE basketball.Either defense oriented or free flowing beautiful passing.It has been FUN.
This Spurs team is not capable of that.It's not fun anymore.
But,and there is a huge but in here,bigger than Dejounte's girlfriend's,the reactions have crossed over to the other end.
And we are coming off as spoiled.En led.Out of touch and reality.
It's Basketball.We are en led to .Everything is earned.If you don't perform you get knocked out.If you are playing good enough to make the playoffs but don't have another gear,you won't make it past the first round.
Bottom line,we didn't over achieve to make the playoffs.But it would take overachieving to get past 1st Round.Nuggets were a beatable team.But we can't beat them 4 times out of 7 apparently.
We can't judge this team based on past glory.And we can only hope the best for the future.And from a basketball point of view,we all expected this outcome,and we hoped for the best.It is,what it is,as it's always been and as everything related to Basketball,will allways be.
Cheers. off Nephew.
that's not the issue. The issue is that Pop loves to sign unathletic yes men and doesn't evaluate players by actual basketball skills. That's why you don't sign a 20 ppg scorer like Tyreke Evans for 2.8 Million but give Patty Mills 12 and then you wonder why the roster is trash
Really? Grown ass men playing at the highest, professional level, playing scared?, So does Pop have some of sort magical powers where he waves a wizard wand and casts a spell on his players?
again to his players?
The only thing i accuse Pop of is his POBO desicions regarding the trade of nephew and his wrong assessment of one Demar Derozan. He thought he could transform this guy into a good defender and playmaker at the same time. You could see Pop from vids with team USA trying to teach Depression right from the start. We should have taken the nephew situation as an opportunity to develop young players, trade LMA who had a very good season the previous season and had some value and start the rebuilding process by tanking as well. Instead we took Derozan's untradeable contract and that will haunt us for a few years. Pop thought he could rebuild and compete at the same time something that is particularly difficult to do and do it succesfully.
Of course we don't know what happened behind closed doors between Pop and the owner because by tanking the franchise has to be willing to take an economic hit for a couple of years. We don't know what the other offers were.
Too many plot holes to make a thorough assessment of the situation.
Tyreke Evans is a bad example, since he plays no D and has played for almost half the league, but you're on to something. Denver is exposing the Spur's extreme lack of athleticism. That's on PATFO.
Spurs need to play inside out. The screens aren't doing much at freeing our guys. On the other hand, the problem with Denver is that defending the screen is proving too much for our perimeter defense. Rebounding is pretty craptastic too.
Looks like defeat is an orphan to Spurs fans, Pop.
makes you wonder about team USA
This has been the case for years. Why do you think Bonner lasted so many years on the team? Did he ever really do anything of significance in his 10 years playing for the Spurs? Pop would rather have a guy that’s stands where he tells him to, than someone that can just go make a basketball play. The exception was Manu, and even that was a struggle early on. And Manu exceptional character and willingness to come off the bench made it tolerable for Pop. But overall, he loves unathletic guys because they have to listen to him to stay on this team / league.
I don't expect most 7th seeds to win 2 playoff games.
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