religion of peace again

**Phenomanul** · 04-25-2019

your claim was that the US transferred uranium to iran. you've now turned this into SO IS RUSSIA EVIL OR ONT. goalpost shifted.

The U.S. facilitated and wrote the bulk of the 2015 Iran Deal... much of the language was directly written by Biden himself. Without our involvement Russia does not receive additional uranium stockpiles.

The U.S. did provide Iran with uranium yellowcake. Over 100 metric tons of it. That's enough uranium ore to be enriched into at least 10 warheads. Here's the catch, this later transfer was given to Iran AFTER the negotiated deal as a "thank you" by Obama.

Originally Posted by spurraider21

i dont think russia is our friend. i also dont think they're going to nuke anybody anytime soon

I don't either - which is why the incessant cry from the left over the past two years seems contrived given that they weren't beating that drum when Obama orchestrated the transfer of Uranium to both Iran and Russia, just one year prior. They weren't beating that drum when Hillary Clinton was facilitating the transfer of yet other stockpiles of uranium to Russia via Canada (UraniumOne).

Russia only became evil in their eyes when they tried to associate Trump's victory with the maligned nation.

The collective inability for some of you here to see that hypocrisy is quite dumbfounding.

**spurraider21** · 04-25-2019

Originally Posted by Phenomanul

The U.S. facilitated and wrote the bulk of the 2015 Iran Deal... much of the language was directly written by Biden himself. Without our involvement Russia does not receive additional uranium stockpiles.

The U.S. did provide Iran with uranium yellowcake. Over 100 metric tons of it. That's enough uranium ore to be enriched into at least 10 warheads. Here's the catch, this later transfer was given to Iran AFTER the negotiated deal as a "thank you" by Obama.

can you point to the portions of the agreement you are referring to? page numbers... i linked the full doc above

**Phenomanul** · 04-25-2019

Originally Posted by Phenomanul

The U.S. facilitated and wrote the bulk of the 2015 Iran Deal... much of the language was directly written by Biden himself. Without our involvement Russia does not receive additional uranium stockpiles.

The U.S. did provide Iran with uranium yellowcake. Over 100 metric tons of it. That's enough uranium ore to be enriched into at least 10 warheads. Here's the catch, this later transfer was given to Iran AFTER the negotiated deal as a "thank you" by Obama.

Originally Posted by spurraider21

can you point to the portions of the agreement you are referring to? page numbers... i linked the full doc above

**spurraider21** · 04-25-2019

Originally Posted by Phenomanul

No... I held the actual copy signed by our own State Department while I was in Vienna July of 2015. This was the same do ent that had to be vetted by the European Atomic Energy Community before it could be approved.

You’ve been lied to by mainstream media. That deal had all manner of irresponsible concessions.

Including the transfer of Uranium between the three nations I mentioned above.

Good thing our current POTUS kicked that deal to the curb much to the chagrin of our former administration.

Edit: July not September (checked my booking logs)

I HELD IT IN VIENNA

you said you knew about uranium transfers because you physically held the actual copy of the deal. now the uranium transfers were not part of the deal. lol

**Phenomanul** · 04-25-2019

In fact Obama wanted to give Iran uranium sooner (as early as 2010) via Argentina. Then president, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner accidentally spilled the beans at the U.N. Summit in New York, Monday September 28, 2015.

"I also want to congratulate myself and to congratulate the United States of America, the Islamic Republic of Iran and also the remaining members of the Permanent Members of the UN Security Council plus Germany on account of their having reached an agreement on nuclear matters that helps to loosen up the situation and provides increased certainty and safety in a world shrouded in conflicts and warmongering.

We were aware of these negotiations. We harbored hopes that this agreement would eventually see the light of day. You will wonder how we knew. Easy: in 2010 we were visited in Argentina by Gary Samore, at that time the White House’s top advisor in nuclear issues. He came to see us in Argentina with a mission, with an objective: under the control of IAEA, the international organization in the field of weapons control and nuclear regulation, Argentina had supplied in the year 1987, during the first democratic government, the nuclear fuel for the reactor known as “Teheran”. Gary Samore had explained to our Minister of Foreign Affairs, Héctor Timerman, that negotiations were underway for the Islamic Republic of Iran to cease with its uranium enrichment activities or to do it to a lesser extent but Iran claimed that it needed to enrich this Teheran nuclear reactor and this was hindering negotiations. They came to ask us, Argentines, to provide the Islamic Republic of Iran with nuclear fuel. Rohani was not in office yet. It was Ahmadinejad’s administration and negotiations had already started.

I remember that the Minister of Foreign Affairs came to see me and relayed the proposal that Samore had brought to me. Timerman had already warned the White House’s envoy that his request would be hard to satisfy in the light of the difficult situation between Argentina and the Islamic Republic of Iran because of the terrorist attack against AMIA in the Argentine Republic occurred on July 18, 1994 and the decision made by the judge in the case to press charges against five Iranian citizens and summon them to appear in court. Against this backdrop, Argentina’s contribution to this negotiation process which, let me repeat, had already reached the year 2010, was impossible. The Minister of Foreign Affairs came to see me in my office, and I remember this very clearly, and I said that if this request were made in writing and signed, we could, after all, cooperate, because we believed that the attainment of the non-nuclear proliferation objective was of the utmost importance.

You know that Argentina is a member of the select club of nuclear energy producing countries but that we occupy, nonetheless, a leading position in the field of non-proliferation. This means that non-nuclear proliferation is also a matter of governmental interest to us as well.

I said as much to my Minister of Foreign Affairs who in turn relayed this to the White House’s envoy, Gary Samore that we would accept to provide the fuel because it was in the hands of Argentina since 1987 and we also had the technique to produce it in exchange, obviously, for such request to be submitted in writing and signed. This message was conveyed and I believe that was the last time, after that communication, that our Minister of Foreign Affairs saw Gary Samore."

https://www.cfkargentina.com/address...assembly-2015/

I wrote about this when I read her address because she unintentionally revealed that Obama's administration was trying to broker deals in the shadows - deals that would equip the Iranian regime with additional Uranium (mind you during Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's tenure as President of Iran). This is the same guy that said that, "Israel needed to be wiped off the pages of history" - meanwhile No. 44 was trying to find ways to send uranium stockpiles over their way.

**ElNono** · 04-25-2019

I stated historical facts about Catholic faith. I find violence, abuse of power, etc on *all* religious condemnable.

I’ve also stated that religion can be helpful to people in some areas. I don’t think it has implicit zero utilitarian value.

Not sure how’s that vilification, but I guess just waiving arguments off with ‘X or Y are haters’ is easier to actually address the issues.

**Phenomanul** · 04-25-2019

Originally Posted by Phenomanul

No... I held the actual copy signed by our own State Department while I was in Vienna July of 2015. This was the same do ent that had to be vetted by the European Atomic Energy Community before it could be approved.

You’ve been lied to by mainstream media. That deal had all manner of irresponsible concessions.

Including the transfer of Uranium between the three nations I mentioned above.

Good thing our current POTUS kicked that deal to the curb much to the chagrin of our former administration.

Edit: July not September (checked my booking logs)

Originally Posted by spurraider21

I HELD IT IN VIENNA

you said you knew about uranium transfers because you physically held the actual copy of the deal now the uranium transfers were not part of the deal. lol

Are you pretending like Russia was not a part of the original deal..? I clearly said it in the same post. Don't know why you are ignoring it. Oh wait, yeah. cause it doesn't suit your back-pedaling argument.

The lengths that you all are willing to go in order to deny what is patently obvious is ridiculous. Obama's treasonous history with both Russia and Iran is the proverbial elephant in the room and you all are running around saying "What elephant? We don't see any elephant...!"

**Phenomanul** · 04-25-2019

Originally Posted by ElNono

I stated historical facts about Catholic faith. I find violence, abuse of power, etc on *all* religious condemnable.

I’ve also stated that religion can be helpful to people in some areas. I don’t think it has implicit zero utilitarian value.

Not sure how’s that vilification, but I guess just waiving arguments off with ‘X or Y are haters’ is easier to actually address the issues.

I probably denounce the Catholic ins ution more than anyone here in this forum. Objectively speaking, they deserve much of the derision that is thrown their way. They are one of the richest ins utions on earth. They wield excessive amounts of power.

But I don't vilify followers of Christ - and that continues to be a central talking point around these parts.

**Phenomanul** · 04-25-2019

I'm out... I'm going to watch Avengers Endgame.

**ElNono** · 04-25-2019

Originally Posted by Phenomanul

I probably denounce the Catholic ins ution more than anyone here in this forum. Objectively speaking, they deserve much of the derision that is thrown their way. They are one of the richest ins utions on earth. They wield excessive amounts of power.

But I don't vilify followers of Christ - and that continues to be a central talking point around these parts.

I don’t have a problem with anybody’s personal faith, and if we’re being honest, there’s a lot of trollbait going on here wrt to that. I simply take exception to the notion that secularism is somehow inferior in any shape to a theocracy.

It’s not that I don’t understand how a Christian would be a big fan of Christian Theocracy, is that when the world largely was, it was a mess, and at the end of the day, it’s always humans running the show in the name of X deity.

**spurraider21** · 04-25-2019

Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Are you pretending like Russia was not a part of the original deal..? I clearly said it in the same post. Don't know why you are ignoring it. Oh wait, yeah. cause it doesn't suit your back-pedaling argument.

The lengths that you all are willing to go in order to deny what is patently obvious is ridiculous. Obama's treasonous history with both Russia and Iran is the proverbial elephant in the room and you all are running around saying "What elephant? We don't see any elephant...!"

and i'm asking you to detail the transfers of uranium as alleged due to your knowledge of what the deal felt like in your hands in vienna

**spurraider21** · 04-25-2019

Originally Posted by Phenomanul

I'm out... I'm going to watch Avengers Endgame.

grats tbh, i couldnt get tix.

enjoy

**Blake** · 04-25-2019

Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Are you pretending like Russia was not a part of the original deal..? I clearly said it in the same post. Don't know why you are ignoring it. Oh wait, yeah. cause it doesn't suit your back-pedaling argument.

The lengths that you all are willing to go in order to deny what is patently obvious is ridiculous. Obama's treasonous history with both Russia and Iran is the proverbial elephant in the room and you all are running around saying "What elephant? We don't see any elephant...!"

The lengths you go to in order to avoid producing the elephant is mind numbing.

**Avant** · 04-26-2019

Watched the NFL draft tonight, will check out that Avengers movie today and later on the Clippers vs Warriors game. Will barbecue some steaks somewhere in there. Have a few mixed drinks listening to some vintage Western Swing.

Just an average day for most of us. No thoughts of killing anyone or blowing anything up. No thoughts of anything having to do with religion or anything other than having a good time.

I do believe the reason we see how this violent bull out of Islam/Middle East is they don't have going on. Noting to look forward to nothing to talk about. No....

So who are your fav authors

movies
football team
actor
basketball team
pro rassler
NCAA teams
How about that 19.76 sprinter at Texas Tech

So many of those freaks would just as soon....BOOM....as go on living their boring ass life.

Now add The Quran. I have never opened the book up to any random page and not found something having to do with violence.

Will this be the first?

page 349

.............you will be one of the inmates in the fire.
..............fear your Lord
..............the punishment of a Terrible Day.
..............they will have sheets of fire beneath them
...............can you rescue one who is already in the fire

How in the could anyone with even half a brain buy into this stupid ? , page....351

Are you kidding me. is this for real?

......who will suffer a humiliating torment and on who with descend an everlasting punishment.

Oh yes sign me up for this crazy bull . Punish me, punish me.