DEN missed everything and more, but we don't have an offense. That's the season in one line.
I'm actually pretty optimistic about next season. DJ & Lonnie will be pretty big additions to the guard rotation, especially if it knocks Beli out of the rotation & Mills & Forbes minutes are reduced. I'm not sure whether they trade into the lottery with their 19th & 28th picks to get Clarke or Hachimura or whoever or they draft 2 forwards, but they should be able to get a pretty decent prospect(s).
I hear you. Genuine question, if you were running this organisation, what would you do?
I disagree with much of the cynicism. LMA and Aldridge are definitely a low percentage shot at ringing. But they've shown some grit and are the beneficiaries of a year of experience together. Now imagine upgrading Mills and Forbes? Supporting cast just wasn't enough. Get Murray back and bring in a real shooter or two that aren't midgets. This team has a foundation. Who knows what the future holds.
Not much one can reasonably do.
SA only attractive asset it Pop and it rapidly loses value every day with young stars around the league. It is hard to attract any FA.
The draft rebuilding is a pile of BS, as Phila proved this season. The only trades available are for pussies like DDR.
Be content with a small market playoffs first rounder. SA new tier is SAC, MIA, WAS, MEM, ORL, NO that kind of stuff: but we go the playoffs, they almost never do.
So it was worth to trade kawhi like everyone here was in favor of for that value, instead of play that situation to the death and take the chance???
Without Derozan, the Spurs would have missed the playoffs and probably obtained the 9-10th pick so low probability to have a player who is a star. So is that worth it?
if the Raptors ring he won't be alive for a 2nd season
lol believing in Walker, the guy has lower bb iq than Ricky Davis...
Disagree
There will be more Mills and Marco next year
Aldridge will try to pout his way out of town
White, instead of having his confidence 'saved' by being benched, will probably be wrecked. I will not be surprised to see him packaged with Aldridge to Portland for their trash
No Lonnie Walker, he will still be getting over himself
They'll pick one first rounder who will stay in Austin and one Euro who will be stashed forever
Pop should retire if his heart's not in it anymore and RC should pursue the Lakers job, get paid. This show is over.
Is that JR Smith level bad?
Problem is Lonnie will get jerked around minutes wise due to Pop's love of his vets especially Patty, and even if Lonnie has some great moments he will find himself watching the most important minutes of the playoffs from the bench because Pop is gonna Patty
Well obviously I'd like to get rid of about 60% of the roster, but that's tough to do. You'd have to make trades and I just don't think the Spurs have a lot of tradeable assets that would get them something significant back.
The question is: What does this roster need?
Obviously a superstar, somebody who's an 1A option. Can we get that? Probably not.
But at least try to go after Anthony Davis, maybe NOLA would take DeRozan or Aldridge + say Bertans and a pick? Don't know, they should try though. Maybe NOLA is dumb enough to fall for DeRozan, Poeltl and a draft pick like some other team before?
What's the other thing we need? We got a logjam at guard, we obviously need forwards. Small Forwards to be exact. I'd say 2 who can play defense and shoot the 3. High level role players. And maybe an energy big that can play PF.
The problem:
The Spurs are in cap and it's most likely due to the Mills and Gasol contracts. If they operate over the cap all they got is the MLE at 9.1 million.
If they renounce everybody including Rudy Gay they got about 10 million in cap space, but would have to use that to resign Gay. Gasol is on the books with 5 million in both scenarios. I'm not sure if they could still stretch him. So even if you go and trade let's say Bertans on draft night to free up another 7 million, if you resign Rudy, you end up with the same space you'd have if you kept everybody.
So unless you can trade DeRozan for a top 5 pick or move Mills on draft night without giving up an asset, you stand pat.
The major problem this offseason is that a lot of teams will have cap space and most high level wings are free agents. That means the Spurs can't trade for them. This is in fact the year where if you had cap space, you could fill out your roster with great role players, especially 3-and-D wings.
If you look at the market there are obviously
KD, Tobias Harris, Butler, Middleton
which the Spurs can't land anyway. But when it comes solid role players, this is the right year to add core pieces. Just look at this list:
Marcus Morris, Bojan Bogdanovic, Danny Green, Ariza, Stanley Johnson, Wes Matthews, Kelly Oubre, Terrence Ross, Tyreke Evans, Aminu, Hood, Casspi, Shumpert, Gerald Green, Jeff Green, Hezonja, Mbah Moute, Sefolosha, Alec Burks, Caldwell-Pope, Ellington
Plenty of good 3-and-D players as well as shooters who can come off the bench. Aside from that there also plenty of energy bigs available like:
Thad Young, Mirotic, Taj Gibson, Millsap, Julius Randle, Favors, Robin Lopez, O'Quinn, Gortat, JaMychael Green, Zubac
If you can somehow package Mills + Raptors pick or Bertans, Belinelli + Raptors pick for TJ Warren or best case scenario Covington, do it. Obviously a GM has to be totally re ed to do this type of deal, but it wouldn't be the first time that RC s somebody over.
Since we can bank on none of this happening, the more conservative approach (and we all know how much Pop loves to be conservative) would probably be:
trade Bertans/Belinelli or package both picks to move up on draft night and draft a wing that can contribute right away. I don't know who to target, I trust PATFO way more then myself when it comes to drafting the right prospect. Hachimura, Little, I don't know just make sure he doesn't need 1 year in the G-League first
extend Gay, try to resign him for less than 10 Million
tell DeRozan to work on his 3-Ball in the offseason
tell White, Murray and Walker to work on their jump Shooting
tell Poeltl to add post moves, work on his shot and free throws
try to sign one of Marcus Morris/Bogdanovic/Danny Green/Demarre Carrol (in that order)
I assume all of them will get more than 9.1 million, so if you can't sign them try to get something like Ariza/Stanley Johnson. I assume Ariza will be relatively cheap due to his age and Johnson's stock has fallen. Jeff Green might be available for something close to the vet minimum and is actually a better player than Dante Cunningham. He earned 2.5 million on the Wizards so that might be a possibility.
Markief Morris would probably be an interesting reclamation project, but he doesn't fit to Popovich's "over yourself" style and plays nowhere near the level of his twin brother.
Fill out the rest of the roster with vet minimum players, G-Leaguers and rookies.
So yeah, we'll have the same team next year. If we're lucky a midseason trade presents itself and the Spurs can move Bertans and Belinelli's expiring for a good wing
both LMA and Demar. Pop can gtfo too.
LMA and Derozan need to go,career losers with no real compe ive fire..
Someones got to set the tone and when your two highest paid players are just happy half assing most of the time....
Oh and when patty Mills is your 3rd highest paid player and so called "Leader".... welp
I mean c'mon how can anybody respect Mills as team leader he gets abused like a rag doll and is under skilled and sized for his position
Would you willing to trade white instead of mills or bertans who have little to no value to other teams because you are going to have to include something of value that you would rather keep to make a trade offer attractive enough to have any chance of happening.
The level of disrespect and name calling for some of you Spurs fans is appalling. Go find new teams to root for that fit your criteria - Raptors, 76ers, Warriors.
Im sorry 7th and 8th in the West, back to back 1st round exits, and a flawed roster fit for a flawed system aren’t our standard.
no. Our rookies are basically untouchable, they are starter level NBA players on rookie deals. You don't give that up. Spurs gotta get rid of the Mills contract
I think the Spurs will improve slightly. DJ coming back doesnt mean too much unless he can shoot but his D will help. White is going to continue to improve. The Spurs have options with 2 draft pics whether thats trading them for a better draft pick or for a player that can help now.
they need to let DeRozan train and shoot 3s like he did in his last year in Toronto
I hate DeMar DeRozan. I think LMA is trying. He plays a lot better than DeMar, and his at ude is better.
I gave DDR like 3/4 of the season without expecting much but he has completely fallen apart ever since the Toronto game.
Really, that is your excuse. Then stop rooting for this Spurs.
DeRozan started last years playoffs (the year that he was indeed shooting 3's-low volume but high for him) 10-22 in the first 5 games of the 1st round vs WAS.
In the next 5 games,gm6 vs Wizards and the 0-4 sweep from Lebron,DeRozan went 0-13 from 3 and at some point he stopped shooting the ball all together,curled in a fetal position and started crying and got benched.
That's the dude we traded for.No amount of training,gameplan,directions or mumbo jumbo coaching tricks can fix that player.
Not when he's 30.He is not gonna shoot the 3.And if you force him to shoot the 3 you'll probably end up messing up his 2 as well.
It is what it is.PATFO made their choice and they and,subsequently,we,must live and "die" with that choice.
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