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    Ummm most of the vitriol isn’t centered around his coaching performance in the playoffs. The heart of the criticism is based on the flawed roster and flawed system he built/runs.

    Even if Kawhi didn’t leave, the supporting roster would still be horrible.
    Even if Kawhi didn’t leave, the system would still be archaic with 2 point shots centric.

    Interchanging Derozan and Kawhi doesn’t matter. The system and supporting roster would still suck. It would just be Kawhi masking Popovitch’s/team’s deficincies.

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    Ummm most of the vitriol isn’t centered around his coaching performance in the playoffs. The heart of the criticism is based on the flawed roster and flawed system he built/runs.

    Even if Kawhi didn’t leave, the supporting roster would still be horrible.
    Even if Kawhi didn’t leave, the system would still be archaic with 2 point shots centric.

    Interchanging Derozan and Kawhi doesn’t matter. The system and supporting roster would still suck. It would just be Kawhi masking Popovitch’s/team’s deficincies.

    every one wants to follow the laws of analytics as if the three point line is the magical panacea. three point shooters are necessary but still not as important as getting high percentage shots and free-throws. pop is (re)building a team through the draft, development, affordable veterans and patience, all while keeping the team in the playoffs. i'd rather have this formula than the houston model anyday.

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    every one wants to follow the laws of analytics as if the three point line is the magical panacea. three point shooters are necessary but still not as important as getting high percentage shots and free-throws. pop is (re)building a team through the draft, development, affordable veterans and patience, all while keeping the team in the playoffs. i'd rather have this formula than the houston model anyday.
    Nobody is clamoring for the Houston model. What the people want is for the team not to lead the league in fewest 3 pointers taken.

    What’s the point of having no defense, all offense members in Patty, Forbes, Belli, and Bertans when you don’t shoot the 3??

    You ed up into a situation with no defense supporting cast, which is all offense supporting cast yet field a system with the least 3 pointers taken.

    It’s absolutely comical at the travesty. There’s no spinning it. It’s a flawed roster for a flawed system. All problems either controlled or could be cured by Pop since he’s the king of this show.

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    The alternatives(Bill Self, Becky, Messina, Udoka) were terrible so I'm satisfied with this. Keep Pop coaching a few more years till someone like Bud becomes available.

    Becky's probably fuming...gonna have to wait a few more years. Messina,tired of waiting, will probably take the first NBA job that's offered to him this summer.
    I hope Hammond will find a taker and go play her PR role somewhere else, I am getting tired of the gender hype.
    Messina seems to be more than happy where he is, makes millions with zero stress and zero chances to lose the job -wherever he would go as a HC in the NBA he would not last 20 games, no player would respect him as a non-american coach.
    Ime might have his opportunity but if Becky goes he will be content with his position, I suppose.

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    You are being intentionally difficult ...
    No, that's you, running away from the subject. But I don't blame you, since you don't have anything to say.

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    pop is HC and president of basketball operations. name another business where the owners are okay with the top man having total control and say he can leave when he wants. i'll wait.

    i want accountability and mentioned it in my post. you don't apparently. enjoy getting nowhere in the POs next season dumbass.
    Basically every extremely successful business where the CEO+COO has held the position for 23 years. You don't know much about corporate life, do you?

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    Lol people in here acting like the coach is accountable for a roster that wouldn’t get out of the G league playoffs
    Pop is the President of Spurs Basketball, in addition to the head coach. He is not just the coach. He has the final word on the roster, and on anything to do with the basketball team.

    The fact is, yes, he has responsibility for that roster.

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    Pop is the President of Spurs Basketball, in addition to the head coach. He is not just the coach. He has the final word on the roster, and on anything to do with the basketball team.

    The fact is, yes, he has responsibility for that roster.
    Without Pop coaching this team wouldn't have even made the playoffs this year. They were about 2-4 wins from being out entirely.

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    Nobody is clamoring for the Houston model. What the people want is for the team not to lead the league in fewest 3 pointers taken.

    What’s the point of having no defense, all offense members in Patty, Forbes, Belli, and Bertans when you don’t shoot the 3??

    You ed up into a situation with no defense supporting cast, which is all offense supporting cast yet field a system with the least 3 pointers taken.

    It’s absolutely comical at the travesty. There’s no spinning it. It’s a flawed roster for a flawed system. All problems either controlled or could be cured by Pop since he’s the king of this show.
    patty is a mistake and belli was never meant to get so many minutes but that changed when murray went down. i would be shocked if the spurs didn't go after a shooter or two this summer. this was never going to be the year for SA, even with leonard. by the houston model, i meant the model in which we go after a chris paul because it's what a team is supposed to do. how has that worked out for houston? the teams that are at the top now are some of the same team who probably had similar fans ing about the lack of a roster or system just a few seasons ago (boston, philly, portland and denver). milwaukee got lucky with the freak. golden state was a result of building through the draft and being the winner of the KA sweepstakes. the spurs have ended a run that would have put most teams back into the lottery and yet they are a team that could be a top 4 seed next season or out of the playoffs depending on what changes are made and who develops. arguments against that, at this point, are dependent upon a static dynamic.

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    Without Pop coaching this team wouldn't have even made the playoffs this year. They were about 2-4 wins from being out entirely.
    Sure, but the subject was the roster.

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    Nobody is clamoring for the Houston model. What the people want is for the team not to lead the league in fewest 3 pointers taken.

    What’s the point of having no defense, all offense members in Patty, Forbes, Belli, and Bertans when you don’t shoot the 3??
    This doesn't make sense. Who is it that you want shooting more 3s? DDR and Aldridge are not great at them, and the designated shooters already took mostly 3s: Bertans had a 0.746 3PAr (that is, 74.6% of his shots were 3s), with Mills at 0.609, Beli at 0.572, and Forbes at 0.522.

    Pop managed to squeeze a #7 overall offense out of a roster whose best players are not good three-point shooters. I guess that isn't good enough for you, but I find it impressive.

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    Sure, but the subject was the roster.
    Right, and the point is that PATFO built this team before the Number Two trade, as if they could patch things up and keep him and Danny around. The roster would have been perfectly fine without the trade. Blaming PATFO for the trade is fair game, but putting all the focus on the free agency period is not appropriate imo. I can't think of one team that wouldn't be completely discombobulated by trading its best player after nearly all the important free agents have already signed their contracts.

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    Could still see Pop hanging em up after a year or 2 though tbh. Especially if this gets bounced in the 1st again next season.

    I see him finishing out his contract. What else is he supposed to do with his life?

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    Right, and the point is that PATFO built this team ...
    Period.

    Pop is responsible for the Spurs 2018-19 roster. The point of contention was simply that.

    Pop the President made the roster, then Pop the coach had to lead it. Pop the coach did surprisingly well with that roster, but Pop the president suked for building a roster like that in the first place.

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    Best news for Spurs fans. Admit it, he could be the deciding factor whether a big talent would like to sign with Spurs or not, on top of being still the best coach out there

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    There was an ESPN survey saying 30-40% of NBA players would like to play for POP is they could. I think this is group think without actually having to make a move. I suspect a good number of those 30-40% would pass when it came to actually making a decision. Pop is going to be demanding and the current generation of players want to have their cake and eat it too! Working on D and rebounding may not be a higher priority for them.

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    I hope Hammond will find a taker and go play her PR role somewhere else, I am getting tired of the gender hype.
    Messina seems to be more than happy where he is, makes millions with zero stress and zero chances to lose the job -wherever he would go as a HC in the NBA he would not last 20 games, no player would respect him as a non-american coach.
    Ime might have his opportunity but if Becky goes he will be content with his position, I suppose.
    Hammond it is. Just the way Pop is conscientious of equality, rights, advancements. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hammond becomes his heir apparent

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    1 coach, 5 champions, playoffs every year. Ask the knicks if they would take that situation?
    Some fans are idiots not recognizing the greatnest of coach Pop, he will oversee the development of Lonnie Walker, White and Murray to a All-star in 2 years.

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    Great. I am looking forward to Pop's views when Trump gets indicted on January 21, 2021.

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    Great. I am looking forward to Pop's views when Trump gets indicted on January 21, 2021.
    Oh, just give us your best Heil Hitlary and take it to the political forum.

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    Period.

    Pop is responsible for the Spurs 2018-19 roster. The point of contention was simply that.
    I agree, but Number Two forcing his way out is a of a mitigating cir stance. I think Pop (the president) did the best he could with what he had, while you're just judging on results, imo expecting the impossible.

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    No, that's you, running away from the subject. But I don't blame you, since you don't have anything to say.
    I'm not running away from anything. I just said what I had to say. You were being intentionally difficult, and knew exactly what was meant, yet felt the need to . That's all there is. Should we argue and repeat what we already said a few more times?

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    I'm not running away from anything. I just said what I had to say. You were being intentionally difficult, and knew exactly what was meant, yet felt the need to . That's all there is. Should we argue and repeat what we already said a few more times?
    You are the one being intentionally difficult by just ing instead of discussing the subject. That is all there is to it. Are you just going to keep being intentionally difficult, and do nothing but and run away from the subject? And stop pretending you don't know exactly what I meant after I was perfectly clear.

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    Going from 47 wins to 48 is a transition? Going from a first round exit to a first round exit is a transition?

    We're using the word in different ways. I'm interested in team results. You're talking about personnel changes - which produced only one game difference in the regular season record, and the same basic playoff result, a first round exit.

    Also, 'transition' doesn't just refer to the past, (that's called history, of course,) it has to do with where you're going. I wondered if Chinook saw something significantly different in the future. I find a significant difference in the future hard to see, while keeping the same coach, and as the coach himself said, basically the same core.

    The transition I'd like to see, is to a team that can contend for the le.
    Great points about the transition year to what exactly. IMO they have been in this state since Tim retired and every year it's a new transition year for one or another reason. Myself, I am guilty of thinking that too, in the past. It's been a transition year every year since 2016. It's always something. Next season it will also be a transition year to incorporate Dejounte back, add Lonnie, and whomever they want to add.

    This is the new normal. in fact it's the normal leaguewide with very few exceptions.

    The Spurs will be in transition every year for a while. Hopefully one of these transition years the Spurs catch lightning in a bottle and draft a star,or have on of their draftees develop into one. Got to keep hope alive in my case.

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    Going from 47 wins to 48 is a transition? Going from a first round exit to a first round exit is a transition?

    We're using the word in different ways. I'm interested in team results. You're talking about personnel changes - which produced only one game difference in the regular season record, and the same basic playoff result, a first round exit.

    Also, 'transition' doesn't just refer to the past, (that's called history, of course,) it has to do with where you're going. I wondered if Chinook saw something significantly different in the future. I find a significant difference in the future hard to see, while keeping the same coach, and as the coach himself said, basically the same core.

    The transition I'd like to see, is to a team that can contend for the le.
    You are an idiot, he is not.

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