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  1. 02-21-2017 #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by skulls138
    I dont know who he got outplayed by, when you lose, you lose, and he lost year after year....until Phil Jackson came along that is. Talk about system player.
    The first time Jordan got out the first round was in 89(the shot) and that was prior to phil. When Phil got there, it was confernce finals and then les. He was getting put out every year by Bird and Isiah. But history seems to forget that part of Jordan's career. Basically his career started in 1991 according to the sports writers
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  2. 02-21-2017 #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDoctor
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  3. 02-21-2017 #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vito Corleone
    Oh, come one, I was there as well, in the 80's no one played defense in the NBA. It wasn't until Chuck Daly came around that Detroit started to play signature defense. Outside of Alvin Robertson, and Akeem Olajuwon I can't think of another guy that was known for his defense.

    But that changed in the 90's when the Pistons came around. They introduced the NBA to ugly physical and sometimes dirty basketball.

    Jordan was the premier player in the 80's because no one could stop him, he didn't win because he didn't have a team worth a , but that changed in 87 when they acquired Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant.

    The Rule changes you allude to came because the League saw how ty it's product had become post Jordan. They couldn't fathom teams like the Spurs winning championships with ugly basketball so they got back to promoting players like Kobe by making it easier for them to score.

    This is one of the reasons I have never respected Kobe's game, he would be just another wanna-be Jordan in the old rules of the NBA.

    But in the 90's when physical basketball was king, Jordan was still averaging 30 per game.

    Respect where respect is due.
    Well.. this is the general impression about Jordan's greatness. He scored at will when harder defense was allowed.

    That said, I have no problem with the rule/reffing changes up to some point. Bad boys played too dirty, borderline not basketball. I guess they eventually just changed too much. Spurs won "ugly", but I don't remember it being punch-ball style, except for Bruce's dirty defense.
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  4. 02-21-2017 #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by NameLess Scrub
    Well.. this is the general impression about Jordan's greatness. He scored at will when harder defense was allowed.

    That said, I have no problem with the rule/reffing changes up to some point. Bad boys played too dirty, borderline not basketball. I guess they eventually just changed too much. Spurs won "ugly", but I don't remember it being punch-ball style, except for Bruce's dirty defense.
    Pistons "ugly" as in dirty and brutal. Spurs "ugly" as in boring and efficient.
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  5. 02-22-2017 #80
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    Quote Originally Posted by skulls138
    Pistons "ugly" as in dirty and brutal. Spurs "ugly" as in boring and efficient.
    Yes. I was always able to appreciate the Spurs style
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  6. 04-16-2019 #81
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    Still true, tbh.

    I haven't watched pretty much any Raptors games aside from the games against the Spurs because I still have PTSD from him quitting but the mother er is so special. Easily the most efficient/unstoppable fadeaway since MJ. He really ed up his legacy though unless he ends up winning some les with the Clippers.
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  7. 04-16-2019 #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by FkLA
    Still true, tbh.

    I haven't watched pretty much any Raptors games aside from the games against the Spurs because I still have PTSD from him quitting but the mother er is so special. Easily the most efficient/unstoppable fadeaway since MJ. He really ed up his legacy though unless he ends up winning some les with the Clippers.
    His non-back-to-back playing degenerative ass (knee) ain't winning , tbh.
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  8. 04-16-2019 #83
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    Can this be moved to the NBA forum? I could've sworn I posted this thread there. Wouldn't have bumped it if I knew it was in the Spurs forum.
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  9. 04-17-2019 #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by FkLA
    Can this be moved to the NBA forum? I could've sworn I posted this thread there. Wouldn't have bumped it if I knew it was in the Spurs forum.
    Just send adms/timvp a PM. They have moved other threads before.

    Kobe was talking about the same thing of your post in his analysis of one Kawhi's shot in game 1
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  10. 04-24-2019 #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by YGWHI
    Just send adms/timvp a PM. They have moved other threads before.

    Kobe was talking about the same thing of your post in his analysis of one Kawhi's shot in game 1
    did you ever seen mike play ????????
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  11. 04-24-2019 #86
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    mj played in the triangle offense, in other words every possession he was option1 on offense...so in other words his usage rate was high.....he didnt take many 3s cause thats not his game, his more inside and midrange guy...but i doubt he ever had the efficiency kawhi had...
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  12. 04-24-2019 #87
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    it's true. Still, his ball handling could use more work, he tends to make unforced TOs often.
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  13. 05-07-2019 #88
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    Look at all these former players and so called experts late to the party. FkLA called this 2.5 years ago. Do not doubt my takes.
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  14. 05-07-2019 #89
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    Your doncic take is still dumb got.
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  15. 05-07-2019 #90
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    Quote Originally Posted by BD24
    Your doncic take is still dumb got.
    He won't ever be the transcendent player he's made out to be. You'll see.
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  16. 05-07-2019 #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by FkLA
    He won't ever be the transcendent player he's made out to be. You'll see.
    Nice goalpost move. That’s a far cry from what you said when you called him trash
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  17. 05-07-2019 #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by BD24
    Nice goalpost move. That’s a far cry from what you said when you called him trash
    Yeah ok.

    Ceiling is a third-tier star, tbh.
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  18. 05-09-2019 #93
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    both black, both dadkiller
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