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    excellent.
    Why the Demons would oppose a wall here makes zero sense.

    Booty and Winehole can you respond?

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    Latest Trump H-2B Increase Again Betrays American Workers

    https://cis.org/Huennekens/Latest-Tr...erican-Workers

    "Instead of reforming the guestworker system, Trump has allowed it to flourish. In its latest action, the Department of Homeland Security announced today that it is raising the 2019 H-2B cap by 30,000. The additional visas are available to H-2B guestworkers who previously worked in the United States within the past three years.

    The H-2B visa allows employers to hire foreign workers for non-agricultural jobs that do not require higher education, including landscaping, cleaning, hotels, etc. I've explained before how the H-2B program is a raw deal for Americans, and I highlight those points below:

    Data show that employers pay H-2B workers much less than their American counterparts.
    The H-2B program distorts the labor market and artificially props up inefficient companies, giving them no incentive to reform their hiring practices.
    H-2B prevents the neediest Americans (ex-convicts, recovering addicts, the homeless, high school dropouts, etc.) from securing meaningful employment that could transform their lives.
    The H-2B visa is unnecessary because a domestic replacement could do the same thing.
    Despite these problems, the Trump administration has repeatedly increased the number of H-2B visas. There is a statutory annual cap of 66,000, but in 2017 and 2018, the DHS secretary permitted "temporary" one-time increases of 15,000 more guestworkers, as authorized by Congress. Trump could have stopped this by ordering the secretary to do nothing, since Congress chose not to openly raise the cap, instead giving DHS the authority to do so, if it chose (ensuring that Congress avoided any political responsibility for the decision). In February 2019, Trump signed a spending bill that allows the DHS secretary to raise to H-2B cap to as high as 135,000. This would be an alarming increase that contradicts the president's stated priorities.

    Today's decision increases the H-2B cap by "only" 30,000, rather than the full 67,000 Congress authorized, but this surge nonetheless increases the cap to 96,000. Not even under President Obama did H-2B visas rise to such high levels, as the table below shows:"

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    Latest Trump H-2B Increase Again Betrays American Workers
    https://cis.org/Huennekens/Latest-Tr...erican-Workers
    Instead of reforming the guestworker system, Trump has allowed it to flourish. In its latest action, the Department of Homeland Security announced today that it is raising the 2019 H-2B cap by 30,000. The additional visas are available to H-2B guestworkers who previously worked in the United States within the past three years.

    The H-2B visa allows employers to hire foreign workers for non-agricultural jobs that do not require higher education, including landscaping, cleaning, hotels, etc. I've explained before how the H-2B program is a raw deal for Americans, and I highlight those points below:

    Data show that employers pay H-2B workers much less than their American counterparts.
    The H-2B program distorts the labor market and artificially props up inefficient companies, giving them no incentive to reform their hiring practices.
    H-2B prevents the neediest Americans (ex-convicts, recovering addicts, the homeless, high school dropouts, etc.) from securing meaningful employment that could transform their lives.
    The H-2B visa is unnecessary because a domestic replacement could do the same thing.
    Despite these problems, the Trump administration has repeatedly increased the number of H-2B visas. There is a statutory annual cap of 66,000, but in 2017 and 2018, the DHS secretary permitted "temporary" one-time increases of 15,000 more guestworkers, as authorized by Congress. Trump could have stopped this by ordering the secretary to do nothing, since Congress chose not to openly raise the cap, instead giving DHS the authority to do so, if it chose (ensuring that Congress avoided any political responsibility for the decision). In February 2019, Trump signed a spending bill that allows the DHS secretary to raise to H-2B cap to as high as 135,000. This would be an alarming increase that contradicts the president's stated priorities.

    Today's decision increases the H-2B cap by "only" 30,000, rather than the full 67,000 Congress authorized, but this surge nonetheless increases the cap to 96,000. Not even under President Obama did H-2B visas rise to such high levels, as the table below shows:
    ducks I'm sure this makes you very happy.

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    Appeals court allows Trump administration to send back asylum seekers to Mexico to wait out court process

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    "Latest Trump H-2B Increase Again Betrays American Workers"

    Unlike the xenophobes' LIE that poor immigrants take American jobs, H-2B immigrants, paid way less than Americans, definitely take American jobs from college educated professionals

    This is Trash pandering to BigTech to get their donations for the 2020 campaign.



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    Latest Trump H-2B Increase Again Betrays American Workers

    https://cis.org/Huennekens/Latest-Tr...erican-Workers

    "Instead of reforming the guestworker system, Trump has allowed it to flourish. In its latest action, the Department of Homeland Security announced today that it is raising the 2019 H-2B cap by 30,000. The additional visas are available to H-2B guestworkers who previously worked in the United States within the past three years.

    The H-2B visa allows employers to hire foreign workers for non-agricultural jobs that do not require higher education, including landscaping, cleaning, hotels, etc. I've explained before how the H-2B program is a raw deal for Americans, and I highlight those points below:

    Data show that employers pay H-2B workers much less than their American counterparts.
    The H-2B program distorts the labor market and artificially props up inefficient companies, giving them no incentive to reform their hiring practices.
    H-2B prevents the neediest Americans (ex-convicts, recovering addicts, the homeless, high school dropouts, etc.) from securing meaningful employment that could transform their lives.
    The H-2B visa is unnecessary because a domestic replacement could do the same thing.
    Despite these problems, the Trump administration has repeatedly increased the number of H-2B visas. There is a statutory annual cap of 66,000, but in 2017 and 2018, the DHS secretary permitted "temporary" one-time increases of 15,000 more guestworkers, as authorized by Congress. Trump could have stopped this by ordering the secretary to do nothing, since Congress chose not to openly raise the cap, instead giving DHS the authority to do so, if it chose (ensuring that Congress avoided any political responsibility for the decision). In February 2019, Trump signed a spending bill that allows the DHS secretary to raise to H-2B cap to as high as 135,000. This would be an alarming increase that contradicts the president's stated priorities.

    Today's decision increases the H-2B cap by "only" 30,000, rather than the full 67,000 Congress authorized, but this surge nonetheless increases the cap to 96,000. Not even under President Obama did H-2B visas rise to such high levels, as the table below shows:"
    The exact same arguments X2 can be used about the millions of undo ented workers pouring over the southern border.

    Data show that employers pay undo ented workers much less than their American counterparts.
    These undo ented workers distorts the labor market and artificially props up inefficient companies, giving them no incentive to reform their hiring practices.
    undo ented workers prevents the neediest Americans (ex-convicts, recovering addicts, the homeless, high school dropouts, etc.) from securing meaningful employment that could transform their lives.
    The undo ented workers are unnecessary because a domestic replacement could do the same thing.

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    The exact same arguments X2 can be used about the millions of undo ented workers pouring over the southern border.

    Data show that employers pay undo ented workers much less than their American counterparts.
    These undo ented workers distorts the labor market and artificially props up inefficient companies, giving them no incentive to reform their hiring practices.
    undo ented workers prevents the neediest Americans (ex-convicts, recovering addicts, the homeless, high school dropouts, etc.) from securing meaningful employment that could transform their lives.
    The undo ented workers are unnecessary because a domestic replacement could do the same thing.
    2/3 (66%) of undo ented immigrants come from overstayed visas. FACT

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    2/3 (66%) of undo ented immigrants come from overstayed visas. FACT
    so?

    100,000 a month are crashing the southern border.

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    Yep, and those undo ented workers don't spend their money here, they send it back to Mexico.

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    Yep, and those undo ented workers don't spend their money here, they send it back to Mexico.
    Yep, they don't eat or drive or live anywhere in the US! ALL the money goes back to Mexico where their fatcat families get yachts and swimming pools!

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    Trump employs undo ented workers, you rubes.

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    "Walls are immoral. You can't deport these illegals."

    Thanks for the flexibility.

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    "Walls are immoral. You can't deport these illegals."

    Thanks for the flexibility.
    No one here ever said that.

    Thanks for lying.

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    I think that we can all agree that regulated legal immigration is a good thing and unregulated illegal immigration is a bad thing.

    What do you suggest as a reasonable compromise to promote legal immigration and curb illegal immigration that both political parties could agree on?

    Lets see some ideas.


    Is this your sign?

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    ducks auntie:


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    Trump employs undo ented workers, you rubes.
    and like such an employer, he s them over

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    Trump employs undo ented workers, you rubes.
    *ding*

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    CC leaps to Trump's defense once again.

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    CC leaps to Trump's defense once again.
    Nope.

    Thread wasn't even about Trump but you *dinged* on Trump anyway.

    Obsessed like Benghazi

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    Nope.

    Thread wasn't even about Trump but you *dinged* on Trump anyway.
    Has Trump mentioned illegal immigration/border security today?

    Yes or no, CC.

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    Has Trump mentioned illegal immigration/border security today?

    Yes or no, CC.
    I honestly don't know. If you say he did I believe you.

    the original post was about trying to come up with an immigration solution both sides could agree on. What we have is clearly broken.

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    yeah how dare you mention trump in a border security thread

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    I honestly don't know. If you say he did I believe you.

    the original post was about trying to come up with an immigration solution both sides could agree on. What we have is clearly broken.
    THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE IMMIGRATION POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES!

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    THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE IMMIGRATION POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES!
    Last time I checked Congress writes immigration law. The executive branch is supposed to enforce it.

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