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  1. #26
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    Most ref protected players in NBA history

    #1 (and not even close) Jordan

    The following group:
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    Dirk (love him, but look at the types of shots he took and how many whistles he got)
    Wade
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    Draymond
    Harden

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    thats with old rules ... how many does he get now?
    what about flopping era Manu?
    Funny. I call it the Fisher flopping era.

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    Tbh I’m not seeing this great improvement that people are talking about. Y’all keep mentioning Steph and Durant. But I don’t see you mentioning Wall or Westbrook. They can’t shoot worth . Rubio plays in today’s NBA and he sucks too. Somehow Jokic is the most talented big man in the game. Could you imagine him guarding Shaq, Drob, Barkley, Malone or Hakeem. I will agree that the top players today can shoot better than the top players of the 90s. But everybody is so bad at defense today that I don’t think it really matters.

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    Agreed but not sure about Steph

    Sure his team gets away with a lot of illegal screens but Steph is constantly getting pushed around with no calls
    he gets pushed around off ball, but you cant breathe on him any time he drives

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    Most ref protected players in NBA history

    #1 (and not even close) Jordan

    The following group:
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    Dirk (love him, but look at the types of shots he took and how many whistles he got 2006 )
    Wade
    Malone
    Draymond
    Harden
    plz stop with revisionist history

    dude got fouled plenty, people just werent used to his style of play

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    not really tbh

    kobe and lebron are two guys that definitely didnt get near the benefit mike got, they arguably didnt even get protected as much as kd, harden, steph and wade (prime)
    Bruh, I live in the Lakers market. I know exactly how much BS Kobe got away with. He could even elbow Mike Bibby in a Game 7 and not get called. There were countless games that he had about nine fouls called on him and he ended up with three b/c the other Lakers were allowed to donate their fouls. And offense, he got all the same ghost fouls Jordan got.

    at you trying to proactively sperm shield for Lebron too. There's never been a player who got more fouls by virtue of just taking the ball into the paint.

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    plz stop with revisionist history

    dude got fouled plenty, people just werent used to his style of play
    Not really. He got some very questionable calls. He was largely a jump shooter who somehow averaged more fta in the playoffs than the regular season. He got over 8 fta in the playoffs for years. There isn’t another jump shooter who can pull that off. Until Durant came along.

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    Not really. He got some very questionable calls. He was largely a jump shooter who somehow averaged more fta in the playoffs than the regular season. He got over 8 fta in the playoffs for years. There isn’t another jump shooter who can pull that off. Until Durant came along.
    maybe because he was more than a jumpshooter

    dude for years was a beast at dribble drives, especially against other big men. That's why for a couple years, smaller guys with quick hands gave him trouble, forcing him to work on a better post game. In fact the one legged fadeaway wasn't really a consistent part of his game until Carlisle came around. He would shoot it occasionally, but not to the extent he did after Rick started coaching him

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    Bruh, I live in the Lakers market. I know exactly how much BS Kobe got away with. He could even elbow Mike Bibby in a Game 7 and not get called. There were countless games that he had about nine fouls called on him and he ended up with three b/c the other Lakers were allowed to donate their fouls. And offense, he got all the same ghost fouls Jordan got.

    at you trying to proactively sperm shield for Lebron too. There's never been a player who got more fouls by virtue of just taking the ball into the paint.
    Lol elbowed Bibby in game 7, but you know exactly everything about Kobe? can't even get your first fact right

    Kobe got his share of superstar calls, just like any superstar, LeBron too. But neither of them were gifted calls to the extent that mike was, not particularly close either.

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    Lol elbowed Bibby in game 7, but you know exactly everything about Kobe? can't even get your first fact right

    Kobe got his share of superstar calls, just like any superstar, LeBron too. But neither of them were gifted calls to the extent that mike was, not particularly close either.
    Game 6. Don't look for nothing wins, bruh. Not unless you want to just admit you're that desperate.

    Bottom line is Kobe and MJ were gifted championships. That's pretty significant.

    NBA marketing loved that 6 vs 5 sh**.

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    maybe because he was more than a jumpshooter

    dude for years was a beast at dribble drives, especially against other big men. That's why for a couple years, smaller guys with quick hands gave him trouble, forcing him to work on a better post game. In fact the one legged fadeaway wasn't really a consistent part of his game until Carlisle came around. He would shoot it occasionally, but not to the extent he did after Rick started coaching him
    He’s great at handling the rock. But to say he’s an expert in dribble drive is a little of an exaggeration.

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    He’s great at handling the rock. But to say he’s an expert in dribble drive is a little of an exaggeration.
    for a 7 footer with mediocre athleticism, he was pretty expert

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    for a 7 footer with mediocre athleticism, he was pretty expert
    Oh I would say that. But the refs don't look at your mediocre athleticism or your size, the call a foul.

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    Oh I would say that. But the refs don't look at your mediocre athleticism or your size, the call a foul.
    and that has what, exactly to do with his skills as a dribble driver?

    i mean i know that was the original discussion at hand, but you completely changed it by saying it was an exaggeration to say he was a beast dribble driver when attacking opposing big men

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    Wow the shtick in this forum used to be about how 90's NBA players could not play in the current NBA. Now we have moved on to throwing '00 players underneath the bus. Can't wait to hear the next shtick 5-6 years from now which will be 2010s NBA players can't play in the modern NBA.

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    and that has what, exactly to do with his skills as a dribble driver?

    i mean i know that was the original discussion at hand, but you completely changed it by saying it was an exaggeration to say he was a beast dribble driver when attacking opposing big men
    He was great for that size. But not great. So why should he get extra fta?

    Getting 9 fta for a shooter is unusual. Getting extra fta in the playoffs is even more unusual.

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    the latter half of this decade has been the softest era of ball i've ever witnessed. not really impressive tbh

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    Funny. I call it the Fisher flopping era.
    You see you misunderstood...
    Fisher didn't have a flopping era he flopped his whole career
    Manu flopped a lot less once refs emphasized it imho
    Fisher never did change

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