NBA: Official 2019 NBA Draft Lottery Thread

[lefty]

at Zion’s favw when hw realized he wasn’t going to NY or LA

[Laker_1995]

Well good news for Laker fans is people like Zach Lowe think the Lakers youth, value of picks aside, is viewed as better than NY youth.

I don’t agree, but if that is really a consensus, then LA getting #4 should put them in the lead for AD.

But I don’t see how Ingram/Kuz/Zo, especially with 2 years of playing less than 60 games each for Zo/Ingram (along with impact metrics and years in the league) are valued more than Knox/Mitc .

Beyond that, I think there is a difference in 3rd pick and 4th, and while LA could include future firsts as well, NY has 2 first from Dallas too to add into the mix.

i do like Knox. I heard somebody mention trading Lonzo to Chicago since he likes it there for the 7 pick and Use that for AD. Idk to give up everything for AD who hasn’t proven nothing seems risky idc if our assets are trash as they say I’m happy with them. I’m cool with keeping everyone use the pick and get kawahi ( pray to god)

[lefty]

[R. DeMurre]

I actually like all 3 players but i dont think Ad and zion are a great fit
Zion should be paired with KD or Kawhi if he is gonna ring.

I dont think either guy is leading a le team tbh

Yeah, I think I agree. Surround Zion with shooters and switchable defenders in the modern NBA.

[Killakobe81]

Well good news for Laker fans is people like Zach Lowe think the Lakers youth, value of picks aside, is viewed as better than NY youth.

I don’t agree, but if that is really a consensus, then LA getting #4 should put them in the lead for AD.

But I don’t see how Ingram/Kuz/Zo, especially with 2 years of playing less than 60 games each for Zo/Ingram (along with impact metrics and years in the league) are valued more than Knox/Mitc .

Beyond that, I think there is a difference in 3rd pick and 4th, and while LA could include future firsts as well, NY has 2 first from Dallas too to add into the mix.

Outside of Knox I just don't value the Knicks prospects.
and though I agree that #3 has more value than #4
I think RJ is flawed he is a ball dominant iso scorer and you are gonna pair him with Kyrie?

if the idea is to flip RJ sure he has played well with Zion already but Jrue holiday thrives in pnr ...

I do think RJ has more value than WHOMEVER is at #3 he was once the #1 prospect in HS and he had flashes of great play at duke. but I sincerely doubt talent/production wise he is vastly superior to Hunter at Virginia who i think has better metrics but Barrettt is a more aggressive. if hunter had been a top HS prospect with that mindset i think he would be a superior player. Problem is I don't trust my team to get that out him consistently

his final 4 was encouraging, and watching a lot of AAC games i dont see some huge gap between the two players and hunter was clutch AF in the le game.

but if i were the spurs for example, I might value hunter more because he fits the Spurs culture and wouldnt fight DD LMA for touches ...

[DPG21920]

i do like Knox. I heard somebody mention trading Lonzo to Chicago since he likes it there for the 7 pick and Use that for AD. Idk to give up everything for AD who hasn’t proven nothing seems risky idc if our assets are trash as they say I’m happy with them. I’m cool with keeping everyone use the pick and get kawahi ( pray to god)

I agree that flipping the kids for other assets may be the best bet. But I don’t see how keeping them is an option. I really don’t think Kawhi is coming to the Lakers either.

[DPG21920]

Outside of Knox I just don't value the Knicks prospects.
and though I agree that #3 has more value than #4
I think RJ is flawed he is a ball dominant iso scorer and you are gonna pair him with Kyrie?

if the idea is to flip RJ sure he has played well with Zion already but Jrue holiday thrives in pnr ...

I do think RJ has more value than WHOMEVER is at #3 he was once the #1 prospect in HS and he had flashes of great play at duke. but I sincerely doubt talent/production wise he is vastly superior to Hunter at Virginia who i think has better metrics but Barrettt is a more aggressive. if hunter had been a top HS prospect with that mindset i think he would be a superior player. Problem is I don't trust my team to get that out him consistently

his final 4 was encouraging, and watching a lot of AAC games i dont see some huge gap between the two players and hunter was clutch AF in the le game.

but if i were the spurs for example, I might value hunter more because he fits the Spurs culture and wouldnt fight DD LMA for touches ...

I think Mitc , especially at his age, showed more than anyone out of all the prospects.

[Killakobe81]

I think Mitc , especially at his age, showed more than anyone out of all the prospects.

Like josh jackson?

I tease.

It's all speculative
I loved Tatum at duke a heck of a lot more than RJ and he had a great playoff run last year but a disturbing one this time and an up and down regular season too ...
Kuzma lost confidence in his shot this year ...
with young kids its always tough to tell.

[ambchang]

i do like Knox. I heard somebody mention trading Lonzo to Chicago since he likes it there for the 7 pick and Use that for AD. Idk to give up everything for AD who hasn’t proven nothing seems risky idc if our assets are trash as they say I’m happy with them. I’m cool with keeping everyone use the pick and get kawahi ( pray to god)

You would have to package the 4th pick with Lonzo in order to get the 7th pick.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, I think I agree. Surround Zion with shooters and switchable defenders in the modern NBA.

anthony davis can shoot and is a switchable defender

i dont understand how they're not a "fit"

but it does appear AD wants out regardless, so kinda moot

[spurraider21]

Outside of Knox I just don't value the Knicks prospects.
and though I agree that #3 has more value than #4
I think RJ is flawed he is a ball dominant iso scorer and you are gonna pair him with Kyrie?

if the idea is to flip RJ sure he has played well with Zion already but Jrue holiday thrives in pnr ...

I do think RJ has more value than WHOMEVER is at #3 he was once the #1 prospect in HS and he had flashes of great play at duke. but I sincerely doubt talent/production wise he is vastly superior to Hunter at Virginia who i think has better metrics but Barrettt is a more aggressive. if hunter had been a top HS prospect with that mindset i think he would be a superior player. Problem is I don't trust my team to get that out him consistently

his final 4 was encouraging, and watching a lot of AAC games i dont see some huge gap between the two players and hunter was clutch AF in the le game.

but if i were the spurs for example, I might value hunter more because he fits the Spurs culture and wouldnt fight DD LMA for touches ...

bad teams will still take the best player instead of being concerned with roster fits. they aren't good enough to sacrifice talent. now, anything is in play with dolan, but if the draft order goes anything but zion-morant-RJ it will be a massive upset

[johnnymoore]

You would have to package the 4th pick with Lonzo in order to get the 7th pick.

LOL.

Pop has gaslighted Pels - they won't trade AD anywhere in the Western Conference and CERTAINLY not to the Lakers.

I expect the Lakers to explore a Sign & Trade with Toronto for Kawhi and to sign Kyrie outright.

[R. DeMurre]

anthony davis can shoot and is a switchable defender

i dont understand how they're not a "fit"

but it does appear AD wants out regardless, so kinda moot

I mean 3 point shooters close to 40%. AD is a career 31% guy from three. But I'm not saying an AD/Zion pairing is impossible, not at all.

[DPG21920]

Like josh jackson?

I tease.

It's all speculative
I loved Tatum at duke a heck of a lot more than RJ and he had a great playoff run last year but a disturbing one this time and an up and down regular season too ...
Kuzma lost confidence in his shot this year ...
with young kids its always tough to tell.

Lol at JJ. Looking wrong on that one. But with Mitc Robinson he’s been very productive

[R. DeMurre]

its not like they were the odds-on favorite... there were 3 different teams each with a 14% chance

Yeah, I kept reminding friends of this. They had an 86% chance of not getting the #1 pick. A lot of people are bad at math...

[Jules_Winnfield]

Southwest division is talented.

[Arcadian]

Pelicans fan - would you rather Davis stay or be traded?

[Killakobe81]

bad teams will still take the best player instead of being concerned with roster fits. they aren't good enough to sacrifice talent. now, anything is in play with dolan, but if the draft order goes anything but zion-morant-RJ it will be a massive upset

I agree. I would take RJ or Morant (if he falls)
I also agree bad teams like Lakers should draft for talent (BPA) not fit or you get Lonzo who I still like, (not love) but was obviously a best fit pick ...

allim saying I think teh draft is more top 2 than top 3 so Lakers and knicks both missed out ...

[spurraider21]

I agree. I would take RJ or Morant (if he falls)
I also agree bad teams like Lakers should draft for talent (BPA) not fit or you get Lonzo who I still like, (not love) but was obviously a best fit pick ...

allim saying I think teh draft is more top 2 than top 3 so Lakers and knicks both missed out ...

i mean yeah if fit and talent align, its an easier call. but didnt stop the sixers from getting noel/embiid/okafor in consecutive drafts. they also moved up for fultz the year after picking simmons

lakers drafted Zo first, and then figured out what to do with D-Lo later.

[Killakobe81]

Lol at JJ. Looking wrong on that one. But with Mitc Robinson he’s been very productive

Sure. on a bad team same as Kuzma last year and same to alessor degree with Tatum he had to step up and to his credit did when Celts expectations were low.
Now that he is considered an elite prospect got mins/touches over Hayward and Brown in many cases, struggled to do so.

Just saying outside of fox who got better in year two all of the "elite" young prospects shown flaws or took a step back.

Right now gun t9o may head i think I prefer Luka over all of them including Mitc Ingram fox Simmons and Tatum
and i absolutely loved Simnons and tatum as rookies ...

Draft is a crapshoot.

[Killakobe81]

i mean yeah if fit and talent align, its an easier call. but didnt stop the sixers from getting noel/embiid/okafor in consecutive drafts. they also moved up for fultz the year after picking simmons

lakers drafted Zo first, and then figured out what to do with D-Lo later.

I get that they nailed Simmons Embiid and Saric but all those other picks were bad. Simmons was no brainer and Embiid fell due to injury. the process worked but if they had drafted better they could have had a potential dynasty. fultz, lol

[Chris Fall]

Lakers should probably forget the Anthony Davis pipedream. Even if the Knicks don’t necessarily have the better offer (arguable either way), there’s a good chance New Orleans simply refuses to deal him to the Lakers just out of spite. The guy the Lakers should target in a trade for the #4 pick is Brad Beal. Wall is out for most of the season, maybe the entire season. There’s a good chance they blow it all up, starting with Beal. #4 and Ingram might even be enough, probably better for cap reasons to give deal both Ingram AND Ball. And Beal is the type of shooter and scorer the Lakers really need next to LeBron. They should still have enough cap room for a $25+ million free agent, possibly up to $33-34 million if they deal both Ingram and Ball. Not enough for Kawhi or KD, but maybe they risk rolling the dice on someone like Boogie. Or just use that cap money on multiple role playing shooters.

LeBron, Beal, Boogie, Kuzma as the core is a big improvement and could be in the mix for a top 4 playoff seed in the West.

[Joseph Kony]

Lakers tampered with Pelicans/Davis. Instead of Pelicans going full scorched earth on the league office, the NBA is making amends granting them the #1 pick.

It’s pretty ing simple. 6% chance of landing it to begin with

do you understand how a lottery works?

[spurraider21]

Lakers should probably forget the Anthony Davis pipedream. Even if the Knicks don’t necessarily have the better offer (arguable either way), there’s a good chance New Orleans simply refuses to deal him to the Lakers just out of spite. The guy the Lakers should target in a trade for the #4 pick is Brad Beal. Wall is out for most of the season, maybe the entire season. There’s a good chance they blow it all up, starting with Beal. #4 and Ingram might even be enough, probably better for cap reasons to give deal both Ingram AND Ball. And Beal is the type of shooter and scorer the Lakers really need next to LeBron. They should still have enough cap room for a $25+ million free agent, possibly up to $33-34 million if they deal both Ingram and Ball. Not enough for Kawhi or KD, but maybe they risk rolling the dice on someone like Boogie. Or just use that cap money on multiple role playing shooters.

LeBron, Beal, Boogie, Kuzma as the core is a big improvement and could be in the mix for a top 4 playoff seed in the West.

[LkrFan]

You would have to package the 4th pick with Lonzo in order to get the 7th pick.