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Oh, yeah, 4 as in the fourth-overall pick.
Literally what? You didn't say anything. Unless 4 is a player now.
Oh, yeah, 4 as in the fourth-overall pick.
Very hard to understand, tbh.
P/S: I wouldn't do that. I don't give a about DD, but you would be giving up two players that seem to be pretty good pieces for the foreseeable future for a pick that doesn't even seem that promising.
White/DeRozan/Poeltl-for pick 4 in this years draft. Seriously?
He is a better shooter from deep, the line and at the rim. He is also a better point guard in the sense he is able to effectively run the pick and roll, turns the ball over less, as well as probe the defense with his handle and find teammates. White is also capable of playing off the ball because he actually has a solid jump shot which makes it easier for him to share the court with DeRozan and Aldridge
Dejounte is better at rebounding and a some what better defender. I will say Murray's defense is good but I think a bit overrated because the teams he was on had better help defenders.
Murray is 2 years younger which I feel is why some folks think more highly of him over White. Murray still needs to get a little bit bigger and stronger to help him with finishing at the rim. If we are being honest with our assessment of the 2 players White is better now but Murray MIGHT be better down the road if everything shakes out well.
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Yeah, no. Fake star or not, guys that can put up 21-6-6 don't grow on trees. White's floor is a high-end role player (which he's already at) with potential for much more. Poetl is a legitimate starting center. No thanks.
Oh, and only ing idiots can't see that White is the significantly better player.
It's not that hard. If I said, "I wouldn't do a 19-for-Saric trade", you'd understand what I mean. People refer to picks by just their number all the time.
As far as the trade goes, I said I'd do it for a blue-chipper. I consider the Spurs "young core" tiers to go like this:
Walker
Murray, Poeltl
White, 19
Metu
49
If PATFO doesn't think there's still a prospect on the board at 4 who wouldn't top that list, then yeah, don't make the deal. May as well keep DeRozan or look to move him in a cheaper deal. But if they think that someone like Barrett, Hunter, Culiver or Reddish has a legit chance to be a top-two player in the draft, then White and Poeltl are really inconsequential in comparison. I think White is a better player than Murray, but if you're rebuilding, then you hope DeJounte keeps gaining skills and reaches his higher ceiling along with Walker. And as far as Jakob goes, you can just use 19 to pick from what is actually a pretty decent center class. , you can find another ready-made guard at 29 too. I'd definitely prefer to keep White is DeRozan is going out, but I wouldn't let that stop me.
That was the offer. I would be willing to do it for the right guy, and I haven't paid enough attention to that part of the draft to know who that would be. But yeah, PATFO considered Lonnie to be a top-10 talent when they tried to trade for him. If they think an even greater talent is there at 4, and they decide to trade DeRozan, why would White and Poeltl stop you?
They are just arguing to argue. Lol. Its plain as daytime White is better than Murray at this time.Oh, and only ing idiots can't see that White is the significantly better player.
Just like you posted above about DeRozan, he isn't a superstar but the guy is a really good NBA player. What he does on the court isn't easily replaceable. Is he flawed? yeah but he is far from a scrub and unless the team is totally rebuilding or trading him for a young player who can solidly get their own shot and get clean shots for others on the team, he is a keeper.
Link? Not saying you are lying, just interested in reading it.
https://hoopshype.com/2018/06/21/lon...mors-clippers/
This one mentions 11, but I believe I saw one talking about the eight-overall pick too.
Another report of 11 from PtR:
https://www.poundingtherock.com/2019...nnie-walker-ivAfter the draft, Spurs’ GM R.C. Buford talked about how they had explored the possibility of trading up to 11th to draft Walker IV since they did not expect him to still be on the board at 18. In the end, injury concerns caused Walker IV the drop slightly and the Spurs were able to draft him without having to give anything up. It seems as though PATFO truly got their guy.
This is like the 100th time I've stated this on here but Lonnie Walker out of all our young players is the only one who has potential to be a star. The only thing holding him back (and it's a big thing if true) is how attentive he is to the coaching staff. If he soaks up the game film and player development info the staff gives him like Kawhi did he is going to be really good.
Oh, for the #4 pick in the draft? Didn't understand originally.
Who would you take there?
Good stuff.
Makes you wonder why they never gave him a shot if they were really so high on him though. Nephew was starting by mid-season his rookie year.
Yeah. Lots of Lakers and Knicks fans are itching to ditch their pick to the extent that even DeRozan seems like a good target. If it makes this board feel better. Most of the folks in that RGM thread thought DMDR and Poeltl were good enough and that adding White was too much.
Some talk like White is some kind of maybe slightly above average at mist athlete. White is a high level athlete with a high level feel for the game, a rare combination and one not easily replicated even at a number four in a not great draft.
Lest we forget.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ral...oes-basketball
whites got that scared cuck mentality. he can off
I think Walker would have been in the rotation had he not gotten hurt again. When he came back, there just wasn't a spot with White, Forbes and Beli playing well. I'd honestly love for Lonnie to shoot well enough to where he can start with whomever wins the White/Murray compe ion. He already seems to have flipped the switch, so now there's little upside to not playing him. Hopefully, he shows out in Utah and Vegas to hammer the point home of PATFO.Good stuff.
Makes you wonder why they never gave him a shot if they were really so high on him though. Nephew was starting by mid-season his rookie year.
I agree if Walker wouldn't have gotten hurt he most likely would have gotten run this season.
If Lonnie doesn't do really well in Summer League I will be highly disappointed and worried he might not get the mental aspect of the pro game
Lonnie is electric. His offensive game is so much more advanced at this stage than Leonard’s or Murray’s was. Don’t get your panties in a wad. He’s gonna be fine
Extremely stupid on PATFO's part if true. You don't sacrifice one year of development of a guy you consider a Top 10 talent just to keep low level/low ceiling guys like Forbes, Belli, and Wombat happy. Especially since there were no le aspirations this year--nothing to lose by throwing the 19 year old out there.
It's not that. Lonnie NEEDED legit d-league work to get up to speed and learn the offense. I believe in his ceiling as much as anyone here, but he wasn't ready and didn't really get ready until March or April. Had he not gotten hurt but White still did, I think Lonnie might have been a wire-to-wire starter this year. But there wasn't upside to keeping him with the big club when he wasn't going to get the minutes and touches he needed. But he got hurt and missed the first two months. Then he had to go his half-season or so of floundering in Austin before the lights turned on. He started off pretty poorly in the d-league. Now, hopefully he dominates the summer league and carries that momentum going forward. Even if he doesn't do that, Murray is a precedent of a guy not playing well in July and still showing up in October.
I said earlier In this thread that I think Walker has a chance to be a star and he is the best prospect we have on the roster at this point. His offensive game is already better than Murray's unless Dejounte has seriously gotten better.
I remember from past experiences that usually our solid to good players play really well in Summer League so if he didn't play well it would kind of make me worry a bit. Not complete panic but a tad bit worried
you are clearly emotional about this... You overrate White and underrate Murray. Murray is a very good player and does have a higher ceiling. There's not much White can do to further his ceiling than just be more consistent. Imo he's closer to a realization while with Murray who knows how high it goes. Everyone knows you hate Murray but dude you got to get with the times... kids use social media. He's savvy in growing his brand imo. I don't like it but I respect it. He's a young business man and it's not like he's doing nothing. He's showing progress every year. The year he comes in trash, or out of shape, or with nothing new to his game I'll agree but for now you just come off as a hater.Oh, and only ing idiots can't see that White is the significantly better player.
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