Spurs Draft Discussion: 2019 NBA Draft

[pad300]

The thing is, this will be MKGs third contract. He’s making $13M now, and probably will want something close to that. Do you really want to sink That kind of cap into a third contract development project?

Well, the most we can offer him (barring some big maneuvers) is the MLE... So if he signs with us, that's what he's getting.

[Russ]

Athletic forward Darius Bazley could be another second round sleeper.

He's off the radar because he sat out what would have been his freshman year in college to prepare for the draft (he decommitted from Syracuse).

What made me notice him were his stats at the Combine.

Vertical jump was 37.0" (2d among 12 PFs). Lane agility was 3d out of 12 (11.09 seconds). I think he was top three in just about every test.

He's 6'9" in shoes with a 7.0' wingspan.

He also showed well in the Combine scrimmages (video below).

He seems to be moving up, currently up to about late to mid-2d round.

He may not be there at 49 and the Spurs may think it a reach to take him at 29.

Nevertheless, he looks to have a lot of upside for a second round pick.

[Blackhaus]

Athletic forward Darius Bazley could be another second round sleeper.

He's off the radar because he sat out what would have been his freshman year in college to prepare for the draft (he decommitted from Syracuse).

What made me notice him were his stats at the Combine.

Vertical jump was 37.0" (2d among 12 PFs). Lane agility was 3d out of 12 (11.09 seconds). I think he was top three in just about every test.

He's 6'9" in shoes with a 7.0' wingspan.

He also showed well in the Combine scrimmages (video below).

He seems to be moving up, currently up to about late to mid-2d round.

He may not be there at 49 and the Spurs may think it a reach to take him at 29.

Nevertheless, he looks to have a lot of upside for a second round pick.

looks like a nice player

[look_at_g_shred]

They should have the combine scrimmages against actual NBA players.

[Degoat]

I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about Jordan Nwora, looks like he could be a decent 3 and D wing

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

They should have the combine scrimmages against actual NBA players.

That would actually be pretty easy to arrange I'd bet, and I agree, beneficial in judging these guys physically against an actual NBA player, even a recently retired one. There's a ton of ex-NBA stars (and non-stars) in that And-1 league. I'm sure recruiting a team of players to participate in the scrimmages would be pretty easy.

[duncan2150]

I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about Jordan Nwora, looks like he could be a decent 3 and D wing

The fact that he is injured and did not participate to the combine makes him a little bit under the radar.

[exstatic]

They should have the combine scrimmages against actual NBA players.

I think there are NCAA rules against that at official type events.

[cd021]

I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about Jordan Nwora, looks like he could be a decent 3 and D wing

Could be a really good option at 49, if available. Good 3 and D potential. Actually looks like he can do both out of the gate.

[ace3g]

[ZeusWillJudge]

Athletic forward Darius Bazley could be another second round sleeper.

He's off the radar because he sat out what would have been his freshman year in college to prepare for the draft (he decommitted from Syracuse).

That was the kid who committed to Ohio State, then decommitted to Ohio State. Then committed to Syracuse, and decommitted to Syracuse because he said he was going to enter the G-League, and use that as his path to the NBA instead of college. Then he decommitted to the G-League, saying that he was going to train privately. He got one of those "internships" from someone like Gatorade or Nike or something. (The first one I heard of anyone getting.)

I think he's probably pretty damn good, and he knows it. But I have a feeling he may come with a lot of baggage. The kind of baggage I can't see Pop putting up with. But on sheer talent, he's probably an early second round or late first round bargain.

[Degoat]

That was the kid who committed to Ohio State, then decommitted to Ohio State. Then committed to Syracuse, and decommitted to Syracuse because he said he was going to enter the G-League, and use that as his path to the NBA instead of college. Then he decommitted to the G-League, saying that he was going to train privately. He got one of those "internships" from someone like Gatorade or Nike or something. (The first one I heard of anyone getting.)

I think he's probably pretty damn good, and he knows it. But I have a feeling he may come with a lot of baggage. The kind of baggage I can't see Pop putting up with. But on sheer talent, he's probably an early second round or late first round bargain.

He got an internship with New Balance, where I believe he got payed a pretty good sum of money, he’s represented by Clutch sports so Rich Paul and lebron lol

[BackHome]

Yeah he got paid big bucks lots of talent but just wants to make money the easy way will do the bare minimum to get by.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Yeah he got paid big bucks lots of talent but just wants to make money the easy way will do the bare minimum to get by.

I don't mind a kid getting paid. , I'd do it if I had that kind of opportunity. I'm only talking about committing/decommitting three times. He could have just done his one year at Ohio State and he'd be right here, with a year of college ball under his belt.

[Chinook]

Feeling more than more like trading Poeltl should be on the table if they can use him to move up from 19. This is a REALLY interesting center class, and having Milutinov in the back pocket means they don't have to worry about losing a vet big. Move up to grab that coveted forward during the top half of the first and then take the best center available at 29. I'd be a shame to see them pass up the chance at snagging one of these guys because they're worried about a logjam on their roster.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Feeling more than more like trading Poeltl should be on the table if they can use him to move up from 19. This is a REALLY interesting center class, and having Milutinov in the back pocket means they don't have to worry about losing a vet big. Move up to grab that coveted forward during the top half of the first and then take the best center available at 29. I'd be a shame to see them pass up the chance at snagging one of these guys because they're worried about a logjam on their roster.

How far up do you think they could get if they offered Poeltl? And which of the coveted forwards that would still be there would you take?


I think Poeltl is just coming into his own. Like nearly all NBA C's, it takes a few years. I'd hate to give that up. But Milutinov has solid pro experience, and I think it's time for him to come over. So you have to consider it. Just wondering what you think they can get out of that move.

[look_at_g_shred]

I think A LOT of people underrate Poeltl. He's the perfect C to move forward with. Has all the intangibles, and always seems to be in the right spot. Yeah he has to work on being a better rebounder but he is far from a finished product. He has the skill to be in the league a long time. Get rid of him, and we'll be looking for the skills he has in a player for a while.

[RiverwalkParade]

No to trading Poeltl

[Chinook]

How far up do you think they could get if they offered Poeltl? And which of the coveted forwards that would still be there would you take?


I think Poeltl is just coming into his own. Like nearly all NBA C's, it takes a few years. I'd hate to give that up. But Milutinov has solid pro experience, and I think it's time for him to come over. So you have to consider it. Just wondering what you think they can get out of that move.

Gotta spend money to make money. If the goal is just to have 15 "good players", then holding onto all the you guys and never making a move using them is a viable strategy. If the goal is to get two or three blue-chip prospects to put around Aldridge and DeRozan or to get a third star to compliment those guys, then you gotta start distilling the many "good players" into better ones.

As far as your question, I am not sure. I don't know if they can get or who'd they want. Maybe they could get up to 11-13 by combining Poeltl with 19, or maybe they could get 20 straight up for him and then use 20 and 19 to move up. As for who they like, I have no idea. I've never claimed to be in PATFO's head, and I trust that if they like a prospect enough to move up for him that he's worth it.

Trading Poeltl has a lot of benefits. It saves money for next summer, because they would have Milutinov's contract and whatever contract the rookie C has rather than Jakob's cap hold. Assuming Milutinov signs for something like $10M/3, it would reduce the team's cap obligation by $7 Million. That might be enough to open a max slot.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...7578b429853364

That's a rough sketch of what the cap situation could look like next summer with a Poeltl trade.

Roster going into 2020 free agency:

Murray (cap hold)/White
Walker/"Second Round Guard"(Norvell, Herro)
DeRozan/"Second Round Wing"(2020 pick, so no idea)
"Impact Forward" (Hachimura or Reddish)/Metu
Aldridge/Milutinov/"Replacement Center"(Kabengele or Claxton)

Remaining cap space: $32 Million
Room under tax: $64 Million

That's 11 spots already filled with an easy ability to get a few more million to get a full max or to use some of that salary to bring back guys.

[Dejounte]

We finally find the center we have been looking for in a decade and you want to trade him away?

And lol at the thought of Milutonov. I doubt the Spurs have looked at him as an option since last year. People need to give up on him. Theres no smoke there whatsoever.

[mo7888]

I don't think milutinov ever comes over. I'm not against trading poeltl (or Murray or white for that matter) if it gets us something we really want. If some package could get us hunter or reddish then I'd be all over it but I wouldn't trade him just to clear space next summer and I don't think any of those guys are available at 11-13. Atlanta might have an interest though and reddish could be in their range. If we want to get higher than that then I'd think Aldridge would be part of a package with LA.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Gotta spend money to make money. If the goal is just to have 15 "good players", then holding onto all the you guys and never making a move using them is a viable strategy. If the goal is to get two or three blue-chip prospects to put around Aldridge and DeRozan or to get a third star to compliment those guys, then you gotta start distilling the many "good players" into better ones.

As far as your question, I am not sure. I don't know if they can get or who'd they want. Maybe they could get up to 11-13 by combining Poeltl with 19, or maybe they could get 20 straight up for him and then use 20 and 19 to move up. As for who they like, I have no idea. I've never claimed to be in PATFO's head, and I trust that if they like a prospect enough to move up for him that he's worth it.

Trading Poeltl has a lot of benefits. It saves money for next summer, because they would have Milutinov's contract and whatever contract the rookie C has rather than Jakob's cap hold. Assuming Milutinov signs for something like $10M/3, it would reduce the team's cap obligation by $7 Million. That might be enough to open a max slot.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...7578b429853364

That's a rough sketch of what the cap situation could look like next summer with a Poeltl trade.

Roster going into 2020 free agency:

Murray (cap hold)/White
Walker/"Second Round Guard"(Norvell, Herro)
DeRozan/"Second Round Wing"(2020 pick, so no idea)
"Impact Forward" (Hachimura or Reddish)/Metu
Aldridge/Milutinov/"Replacement Center"(Kabengele or Claxton)

Remaining cap space: $32 Million
Room under tax: $64 Million

That's 11 spots already filled with an easy ability to get a few more million to get a full max or to use some of that salary to bring back guys.

So you think the Spurs should trade Poeltl to snag a "coveted forward". In the other thread, you say that it should be a 6'8" or better PF. When I ask you how high they could trade up by using Poeltl, you say 11-13, but when I ask for a name you've got nothing? I don't expect you to be in PATFO's head - I want to know what you had in mind for trading Poeltl.

It can't be that long of a list. A 6'8" or better PF, not likely to be taken in the first 6-7 slots, because the Spurs can't get there. But also not likely to still be there at 19, or they wouldn't need to trade Poeltl. There cant be that many. So who did you have in mind?

[TD 21]

Feeling more than more like trading Poeltl should be on the table if they can use him to move up from 19. This is a REALLY interesting center class, and having Milutinov in the back pocket means they don't have to worry about losing a vet big. Move up to grab that coveted forward during the top half of the first and then take the best center available at 29. I'd be a shame to see them pass up the chance at snagging one of these guys because they're worried about a logjam on their roster.

I'm not opposed in theory. But in reality, Poeltl has limited value because of his position being oversaturated (maybe the Hornets at 12 could have interest). Also, Milutinov is not as good of a prospect. Sure, he'll fill a similar role, but he lacks the mobility to be a 20-25 mpg player.

Besides, 11-13 is a range they might be able to get to with 19, 29 and maybe Forbes. Even if it's slightly lower, the exact pick doesn't matter as much as whoever they covet being available. In that case, they'd be better off keeping Poeltl because he'll likely end up more valuable than the 29th pick.

[slick'81]

I'm not opposed in theory. But in reality, Poeltl has limited value because of his position being oversaturated (maybe the Hornets at 12 could have interest). Also, Milutinov is not as good of a prospect. Sure, he'll fill a similar role, but he lacks the mobility to be a 20-25 mpg player.

Besides, 11-13 is a range they might be able to get to with 19, 29 and maybe Forbes. Even if it's slightly lower, the exact pick doesn't matter as much as whoever they covet being available. In that case, they'd be better off keeping Poeltl because he'll likely end up more valuable than the 29th pick.

Exactly poodle aint fetching us

[acoelho1]

The question is does PAFTO see anyone in the latter part of the lottery that moves the needle. I'm willing to trade anyone not named Murray, Walker or White.