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    I know Ujiri offered him something, nothing big...
    This is a complete lie.



    It’s not really covered up; the story is mostly out there. Its about getting down to the nitty gritty and naming names. But ultimately the majority of stuff is out there. What is not out there is the laid out, step-by-step scenarios chronologically laid out.
    Jordan's gambling?
    Donaghy scandal?
    Lots of things get swept under the rug because it does no good to air dirty laundry.

    ... even one of the teams involved in the Kawhi thing... Vince Carter's departure from Toronto has never been fully spoken and never will be. Why? Because both sides made mistakes and handled things wrong and neither benefits from the full story coming out. If there is more fault or it's far more damaging to one side, then the story would be out there. The fact that neither side really wants any of it to go public should be a sign to Spurs fans that there is culpability on both sides and even though the fanbase wants the dirt, it really does no one any good in the long term by damaging reputations, losing fans and/or sponsor support, etc... You will never know the whole truth.

    Further on that topic... the reason a lot of Raptor fans feel no guilt about what happened is because it happened to us before. We were the team that lost its bright young star through a messy situation, stunting the franchise's growth and making us a laughingstock for years. In a lot of ways, Kawhi is like payback for the Vince situation and "the shot" over Philly in Game 7 couldn't have been a bigger deal in terms of cosmic payback and redemption for everything that has gone on since Carter. Kawhi didn't ask for it and he may well be gone this summer, but the fanbase recognizes what happened and will be thankful, whether he stays or goes.

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    At the predictably biased coverage. Not even attempting to pretend there's another side to it and acting as if the Raptors making the Finals is vindication (like the quality of player he is was ever in question).

    The usual overt tribalism (Bayless knows it, but if he says that, it'll be the end of his career; granted, he's biased the other way) and shameless s, desperate to become the go-to for s bag's sleazebag uncle.




    Unfortunately, this is precisely what'll happen. It's time they grow a pair, stop taking this and fire back. I don't even mean so much at s bag and his sleazebag uncle; I mean more so at the media, for being extremely unprofessional. They should shame these pukes.
    Why wish for something that absolutely won't happen? That isn't and won't be how Pop/R.C. operate.

    If the truth is ever completely fleshed out it'll be by a third party and will likely cast both sides in a poor light.

    It probably goes back to that max deal he had to wait to sign (he might have felt "disrespected" by waiting or someone in management/ownership questioned him being "worth" that amount), the original quad injury, firing his first agent and Uncle Dennis getting his hooks in.

    Really, the Spurs are gonna get on by the mainstream media especially if Toronto wins so we should expect a lot more of this one - sided reporting.

    Best thing we can hope for is #2 leaves Toronto high and dry, Spurs draft well and the media obsesses over Durant and LeBron, again.

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    Why wish for something that absolutely won't happen? That isn't and won't be how Pop/R.C. operate.

    If the truth is ever completely fleshed out it'll be by a third party and will likely cast both sides in a poor light.

    It probably goes back to that max deal he had to wait to sign (he might have felt "disrespected" by waiting or someone in management/ownership questioned him being "worth" that amount), the original quad injury, firing his first agent and Uncle Dennis getting his hooks in.

    Really, the Spurs are gonna get on by the mainstream media especially if Toronto wins so we should expect a lot more of this one - sided reporting.

    Best thing we can hope for is #2 leaves Toronto high and dry, Spurs draft well and the media obsesses over Durant and LeBron, again.
    Kawhis newfound fame has put him up there to be talked about with Lebron and Durant.

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    All i take from this is that this uncle thing didn't articulate not a single word of gra ude to an organization who developed his nephew in an enviroment playing alongside three first ballot HOFs. Tell me one promising young player that in the history of bball had that privilege?

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    I couldn't believe they held it in during the ECF. Even an uncorroborated account of the situation would be gold for them.
    The Finals against the big bad Warriors is worth oh so much more to ESPN.

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    Kawhis newfound fame has put him up there to be talked about with Lebron and Durant.
    Newfound, LOL.

    He was doing this type of two seasons ago when Pop was proclaiming him "the best player in the world."

    Plus, Kawhi doesn't have near the charisma or mainstream appeal of James or Durant.

    He's a quiet guy that wants to be left alone and "just play basketball," except for the Spurs.

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    Not that people on ST want to hear this, but IMHO Manu was more a part of butting heads with Kawhi than TP...
    why do you say that? Do you have a reliable source?

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    why do you say that? Do you have a reliable source?
    Timvp is my Uncle

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    Why wish for something that absolutely won't happen? That isn't and won't be how Pop/R.C. operate.


    Who said anything about wishing? I know it's not going to happen. My saying it should is more so rhetorical.


    Newfound, LOL.

    He was doing this type of two seasons ago when Pop was proclaiming him "the best player in the world."
    He said fame and he's right. He was doing this 2 seasons ago (matter fact, by advanced stats this is his 3rd best playoff run), but the difference was, he was doing it as a Spur, which meant far less recognition.

    This is where the media and this narrative they've created, particularly post '14, about Pop, the culture and "system" taking on a life of their own, hurts the Spurs. To be fair, they've done themselves no favors by playing along with that nonsense instead of shaming the media into giving their superstars and stars the proper amount of credit.

    This is partially why no American superstar or star wants to be a Spurs (before you say Aldridge, he just wanted to live in San Antonio) and probably partially why the sleazebag brainwashed the s bag.

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    It hurts seeing the media rape us. Only Skip is defending us but I feel he's coming across as a bitter rather than laying down facts with research. I feel if he really wanted to defend the Spurs he could do better with more research. I'm hearing people say Shannon owned him by using Parker's comments.
    I agree. All I could think is.... man Skip, remind Shanon and the viewers that Jalen Rose had already broken the story that Kawhi wanted out to LA months before that! SMH

    Someone send that Michael Wright podcast to Skip with a detailed breakdown and timeline of events

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    Best place to leak out this information would be on another forum such as Reddit.


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    He said fame and he's right. He was doing this 2 seasons ago (matter fact, by advanced stats this is his 3rd best playoff run), but the difference was, he was doing it as a Spur, which meant far less recognition.

    This is where the media and this narrative they've created, particularly post '14, about Pop, the culture and "system" taking on a life of their own, hurts the Spurs. To be fair, they've done themselves no favors by playing along with that nonsense instead of shaming the media into giving their superstars and stars the proper amount of credit.

    This is partially why no American superstar or star wants to be a Spurs (before you say Aldridge, he just wanted to live in San Antonio) and probably partially why the sleazebag brainwashed the s bag.

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    funny how an organization can go from Pop pulling too many DNPs and making sure players fully heal to SA rushing KL back. How they conveniently skip the times DRob and TD were avoided. And one of the more telling things being how hard the team played when TOR came into town this season.

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    Manu and TP never posted once about Kawhi in their twitters.. that says alot.

    And Manu is the type that will appreciate great players, including Klay and Steph

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    Who said anything about wishing? I know it's not going to happen. My saying it should is more so rhetorical.




    He said fame and he's right. He was doing this 2 seasons ago (matter fact, by advanced stats this is his 3rd best playoff run), but the difference was, he was doing it as a Spur, which meant far less recognition.

    This is where the media and this narrative they've created, particularly post '14, about Pop, the culture and "system" taking on a life of their own, hurts the Spurs. To be fair, they've done themselves no favors by playing along with that nonsense instead of shaming the media into giving their superstars and stars the proper amount of credit.

    This is partially why no American superstar or star wants to be a Spurs (before you say Aldridge, he just wanted to live in San Antonio) and probably partially why the sleazebag brainwashed the s bag.

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    why do you say that? Do you have a reliable source?
    that's why i said his theory was baseless.

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    Jordan's gambling?
    Donaghy scandal?
    Lots of things get swept under the rug because it does no good to air dirty laundry.

    ... even one of the teams involved in the Kawhi thing... Vince Carter's departure from Toronto has never been fully spoken and never will be. Why? Because both sides made mistakes and handled things wrong and neither benefits from the full story coming out. If there is more fault or it's far more damaging to one side, then the story would be out there. The fact that neither side really wants any of it to go public should be a sign to Spurs fans that there is culpability on both sides and even though the fanbase wants the dirt, it really does no one any good in the long term by damaging reputations, losing fans and/or sponsor support, etc... You will never know the whole truth.

    Further on that topic... the reason a lot of Raptor fans feel no guilt about what happened is because it happened to us before. We were the team that lost its bright young star through a messy situation, stunting the franchise's growth and making us a laughingstock for years. In a lot of ways, Kawhi is like payback for the Vince situation and "the shot" over Philly in Game 7 couldn't have been a bigger deal in terms of cosmic payback and redemption for everything that has gone on since Carter. Kawhi didn't ask for it and he may well be gone this summer, but the fanbase recognizes what happened and will be thankful, whether he stays or goes.
    Talk is cheap. We'll see how thankful you are after Durant leaves GS, and instead of returning to TOR and a wide open path to a championship Nephew leaves for LA.

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    All i take from this is that this uncle thing didn't articulate not a single word of gra ude to an organization who developed his nephew in an enviroment playing alongside three first ballot HOFs. Tell me one promising young player that in the history of bball had that privilege?
    Reggie Lewis played with 3 first ballot HOF and 4 total in his rookie year


    Worthy played with 2 first ballot HOF and 3 total HOF(Mccadoo should have been 1st ballot) and Barkley played with 2 first ballot and 4 total in his rookie year.

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    When the truth comes out spursfans would deny it tbh.
    This.

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    If Kawhi leaves the Raptors he’ll still get a standing ovation next season, watch.
    Weird response from you TBH. It has nothing to do with my original post which is that if #2's career ends shortly we are not going to hear about the media talking about him 24/7.

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    Newfound, LOL.

    He was doing this type of two seasons ago when Pop was proclaiming him "the best player in the world."

    Plus, Kawhi doesn't have near the charisma or mainstream appeal of James or Durant.

    He's a quiet guy that wants to be left alone and "just play basketball," except for the Spurs.
    His newfound fame is based on the media hoping he can make the Knicks or Lakers relevant again. If this guy had no desire to be in a big market then they wouldn't be sucking off of him.

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    Ginobili for anyone wondering played a bigger part in Kawhis departure than Tony tbh.

    He was far more vocal in his disblief about Kawhis injury and was the leader of the lockeroom scene that wanted Kawhi to play regardless of how he felt about his injury.

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    With all the minutiae written about Kawhi, I think the player's only meeting was the final straw for Kawhi. Before that he tried to come back and play and was attending games.
    Who was the player that called and lead that team meeting, tbh, can't remember?

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    no mention of the Spurs medical staff getting fired? Have those guys been fired yet for mismanaging this whole thing?

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    I don't know about anyone else, but I have been wanting to move from this narrative for most of the year now. Only curiosity has me reading on about the why we are here.

    This talk about the Spurs Organization did this and that. I think it is rather shameless. He is getting paid multi millions and was laced in favorable situation based on a demand.

    You would think he and his group would just be happy and move on. This talk is just someone pissing on grave.

    I for one appreciate the Spurs standing Pat and not saying anything.

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