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    WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump found four former federal officials guilty of "treason" Thursday — and then commissioned his intelligence agencies to help the Department of Justice prove it.

    At the same time, he is blocking Congress from executing its cons utional duty to execute oversight of his administration, not only with regard to his campaign's ties to Russia and the interference detailed in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation but also on a host of other fronts.

    He's wielding power in ways not seen in the United States in generations, if ever, and which many experts say do not resemble global norms for heads of state.

    "This is really a feature of petty dictators, where you see the power of investigation abilities being used as a political tool against enemies," Claire Finkelstein, the director of the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law at the University of Pennsylvania's law school, said in a telephone interview.

    "In this case I believe it is a deliberate attempt to confuse the public, to spin a certain narrative about our intelligence community, to throw pixie dust over the facts surrounding the 2016 election," she said. "And it’s remarkable in my mind that he’s been successful with these tactics" in terms of convincing a significant share of the American public that he is the victim of a "deep state" conspiracy.

    On Thursday, Trump gave the names of four people — James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Stzrok and Lisa Page — when he was asked about his past formulation that former federal officials who were involved in investigations dealing with his campaign and that of rival Hillary Clinton were guilty of treason, and reminded that the crime is punishable by death.

    Later, the White House issued a statement noting that Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials. He has delegated the authority to declassify information obtained from the intelligence agencies to Attorney General William Barr, even though the White House is currently fighting a series of congressional subpoenas for information on the Mueller report and a variety of other topics.

    Under the Cons ution, treason is defined as waging war against the United States or aiding and abetting an enemy of the nation, and the law has typically recognized "enemies" of the U.S. as countries with which the U.S. is engaged in open and active hostilities.

    "He doesn't care about the law," said former federal prosecutor Mimi Rocah, who serves as a legal analyst for NBC News and MSNBC. "He is trying to use the justice system and our intelligence system — he's trying to manipulate them and he has been trying to do that for two years, and now he has Bill Barr helping him, and to me, that is just terrifying."

    Individual prosecutors across the country have tremendous power and discretion in terms of who they investigate and seek charges against, she said, and there could be "a chilling effect" on them if they watch the president and the attorney general prosecute people who investigate Trump.

    There's already evidence of Barr breaking with norms to aid the president, according to some legal scholars.

    "This is the first time in recent memory that a U.S. president has openly called for a criminal investigation into perceived enemies, and the investigation is being carried out," Brian Z. Tamanaha, a Washington University law professor and the author of the 2004 book "On the Rule of Law," said in an email. "This does not happen in countries that respect the rule of law. The concern is heightened in this instance because Attorney General Barr has thus far behaved as if his highest duty is to President Trump rather than to uphold the Cons ution and laws."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...emies-n1010096

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    Voters elected Trash so he could hurt people, like Dems, selected swamp creatures, LGBTQ, and all non-Euro-white, non-male, non-Christian citizens.

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    WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump found four former federal officials guilty of "treason" Thursday — and then commissioned his intelligence agencies to help the Department of Justice prove it.

    At the same time, he is blocking Congress from executing its cons utional duty to execute oversight of his administration, not only with regard to his campaign's ties to Russia and the interference detailed in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation but also on a host of other fronts.

    He's wielding power in ways not seen in the United States in generations, if ever, and which many experts say do not resemble global norms for heads of state.

    "This is really a feature of petty dictators, where you see the power of investigation abilities being used as a political tool against enemies," Claire Finkelstein, the director of the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law at the University of Pennsylvania's law school, said in a telephone interview.

    "In this case I believe it is a deliberate attempt to confuse the public, to spin a certain narrative about our intelligence community, to throw pixie dust over the facts surrounding the 2016 election," she said. "And it’s remarkable in my mind that he’s been successful with these tactics" in terms of convincing a significant share of the American public that he is the victim of a "deep state" conspiracy.

    On Thursday, Trump gave the names of four people — James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Stzrok and Lisa Page — when he was asked about his past formulation that former federal officials who were involved in investigations dealing with his campaign and that of rival Hillary Clinton were guilty of treason, and reminded that the crime is punishable by death.

    Later, the White House issued a statement noting that Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials. He has delegated the authority to declassify information obtained from the intelligence agencies to Attorney General William Barr, even though the White House is currently fighting a series of congressional subpoenas for information on the Mueller report and a variety of other topics.

    Under the Cons ution, treason is defined as waging war against the United States or aiding and abetting an enemy of the nation, and the law has typically recognized "enemies" of the U.S. as countries with which the U.S. is engaged in open and active hostilities.

    "He doesn't care about the law," said former federal prosecutor Mimi Rocah, who serves as a legal analyst for NBC News and MSNBC. "He is trying to use the justice system and our intelligence system — he's trying to manipulate them and he has been trying to do that for two years, and now he has Bill Barr helping him, and to me, that is just terrifying."

    Individual prosecutors across the country have tremendous power and discretion in terms of who they investigate and seek charges against, she said, and there could be "a chilling effect" on them if they watch the president and the attorney general prosecute people who investigate Trump.

    There's already evidence of Barr breaking with norms to aid the president, according to some legal scholars.

    "This is the first time in recent memory that a U.S. president has openly called for a criminal investigation into perceived enemies, and the investigation is being carried out," Brian Z. Tamanaha, a Washington University law professor and the author of the 2004 book "On the Rule of Law," said in an email. "This does not happen in countries that respect the rule of law. The concern is heightened in this instance because Attorney General Barr has thus far behaved as if his highest duty is to President Trump rather than to uphold the Cons ution and laws."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...emies-n1010096
    You don’t get to cry foul after cheering on a bogus collusion investigation for 2+ years.

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    You don’t get to cry foul after cheering on a bogus collusion investigation for 2+ years.
    TSA notably will not say anything is actually going to come of these investigations that aren't actually investigations.

    But he still believes in Qanon.


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    “Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials.”

    RG why are you against investigations of crimes now?

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    “Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials.”

    RG why are you against investigations of crimes now?
    What crimes?

    List them.

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    You don’t get to cry foul after cheering on a bogus collusion investigation for 2+ years.

    You Lie

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    “Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials.”

    RG why are you against investigations of crimes now?
    total deflection away from his impending impeachment the 20 investigations into Trash and his mafiya.

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    You don’t get to cry foul after cheering on a bogus collusion investigation for 2+ years.
    Still haven't actually read the report yet have you? They pretty much found plenty of collusion, by your own definition.

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    “Trump had directed American intelligence agencies to cooperate with a federal investigation he has ordered into any crimes that might have been committed in relation to those probes and ensuing activity by former FBI and Justice officials.”

    RG why are you against investigations of crimes now?
    Not against them, unless they are high crimes and misdemeanors.

    So you are comfortable with the President directly ordering investigations into political opponents? yes or no.

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    "unless they are high crimes and misdemeanors"

    ... actual violations of law are not required. Impeachment/conviction is a political process, not a legal/judicial process.



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    Still haven't actually read the report yet have you? They pretty much found plenty of collusion, by your own definition.


    col·lu·sion
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    secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

    1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

    2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

    3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

    4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

    5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

    6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or cons uted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

    7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."

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    Not against them, unless they are high crimes and misdemeanors.

    So you are comfortable with the President directly ordering investigations into political opponents? yes or no.
    Are you saying the heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI are political opponents? Intelligence agencies are supposed to strive to be apolitical.

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    You don’t get to cry foul after cheering on a bogus collusion investigation for 2+ years.
    You don't get to cheer open abuse of power after accusing the former administration of it for 2+ years.

    But I bet you will.

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    Are you saying the heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI are political opponents? Intelligence agencies are supposed to strive to be apolitical.
    So is the DOJ tbh....

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    So you are comfortable with the President directly ordering investigations into political opponents? yes or no.

    Are you saying the heads of the FBI, CIA, and DNI are political opponents? Intelligence agencies are supposed to strive to be apolitical.
    Took you two seconds to dodge. IT was easy to answer, so I can only assume you are cool with it.

    Good to know.

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    col·lu·sion
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    secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

    1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

    2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

    3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

    4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

    5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

    6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or cons uted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

    7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."
    Why aren't you posting the parts of the report where they talk about how their investigation was limited? What are you hiding?

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    So you are comfortable with the President directly ordering investigations into political opponents? yes or no.



    Took you two seconds to dodge. IT was easy to answer, so I can only assume you are cool with it.

    Good to know.
    The article you posted had nothing to do with investigations into political opponents. Are we no longer discussing your OP in the thread you started?

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    Why aren't you posting the parts of the report where they talk about how their investigation was limited? What are you hiding?

    Mueller was limited

    get the out of here with that bull excuse. You are one of three people left on this board still clinging to collusion. When you are in the same company as djohn and Spurs Homer you should really stop and reevaluate your position.

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    Mueller was limited

    get the out of here with that bull excuse. You are one of three people left on this board still clinging to collusion. When you are in the same company as djohn and Spurs Homer you should really stop and reevaluate your position.

    "wrong about pizzagate"


    nuff sed



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    my working hypothesis is that when they are not mere fingers in the text, smilies and emojis and stickers generally signify the pain of delay and the frustration of non-fulfillment, and as such are a classic neurotic tell. TSA and SpursHomer both suffer from this disease.

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    “I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”

    ― Ronald Reagan
    Ive noticed everyone against abortion has already been born.

    I need to poll eggs and sperm.
    Then I’ll report back Duckman.

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    “I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”

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    LMAO. That has always been one of the most re ed arguments for pro-lifers.

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    LMAO. That has always been one of the most re ed arguments for pro-lifers.
    They went from that to becoming the party of Trump. Nothing new under the sun tbh

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