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    My assertion is absolutely correct under the law, spunky.

    Medical information is special, you fool. It concerns the doctor-patient relationship, which is special, the same way that lawyer-client privilege is special.

    Does your cellphone company require you to submit to a physical before they will provide you with cellphone service? Some things are ordinary, and some are special.



    You didn't understand anything I wrote earlier, did you? Or do you just not read well? Look at what I wrote: "His refusal, however, would probably mean he would no longer be employed."

    It has the same meaning as what you wrote. You're arguing with what I wrote by saying the same thing in different words. That's kind of odd, guy.



    That was not a backpedal, spunky. It's exactly the same thing I wrote earlier. You just don't know enough to understand all this.



    You are totally mistaken, period. It applies only to what it states. Period. You do not understand what "Fitness" means there.



    Notice the context, spunky.

    22.11 Fitness-to-Play.

    The parties shall establish panels of physicians (each a “Fitness-to-Play Panel”) for the purpose of determining, as set forth in this Section 11, whether players with potentially life-threatening injuries, illnesses or other health conditions are medically able and medically fit to practice and play basketball in the NBA.
    -^-^-^-^-^-

    That is talking about life-threatening conditions, spunky. It's there because the NBA doesn't want players dropping dead.

    I don't recall any cases in the NBA, but there have been cases in football, both college and pro, where players have died during practice because of a medical condition. The most famous case I recall was the death of a St Louis Cardinals football player, years ago, who dropped dead during spring practice because of a medical condition. The player was J. V. Cain, from Houston.

    C'mon now, if you're going to post something, at least take the trouble to actually read it, yourself. That isn't about a player limping, or feeling pain, or if he can run and jump, it's about him maybe dying. They want the best medical input they can get to be sure that doesn't happen, of course.



    You're going to remain confused no matter what you read, or are told, because you don't know enough, and you're pig headed.

    Just a couple quick things. Try to pay attention.


    See that word "authorize," dumbass? Consent form.

    The physician has to have the player's consent before he can release the player's medical information to anybody else. The material you were kind enough to provide states exactly what I already told you. Which I knew it had to, before I read it.


    That "individual authorization" is the consent form I already told you about, dumbass. Also notice the word "required." The physician requires the person's consent before he can release the info.

    Which is what I already told you.

    I wish it was clear to you.

    I understand it, and you don't, and you don't know when to pay attention.


    You crowbarred 'consent forms' and 'if kawhi doesn't agree to it, he wouldn't have a job' after you got called out for the asinine things you said in your first post (which everyone can read, BTW, and had zero mentions of 'consent forms').

    Including stupid, made up things like the team doctors not being able to tell the team about Kawhi's condition, something factually incorrect in light of the uniform player contract posted above, and something you immediately tried to walk back.

    I don't really have time to keep dunking on you, tbh, this isn't about feelings. The rest of the posters here can read the posts and reach their own conclusions on who's talking out of his ass and who is not.
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    Just to be clear - you don't KNOW any of that. Like the part about people being fired. People don't get fired when the ownership group agrees with them, for instance. You throw out the word "involved" as if being involved in acrimony automatically implies wrongdoing. Sometimes a person can force you into a no-win situation. If that person happens to be a rare talent like Kawhi, you're going to get hammered no matter what you do.
    Oh yes, I don't know that, that's why I'm asking if they're still around. I don't need to know who they are, I just want to know if they're still part of the organization, considering the connotations that could have with other top tier free agents (ie: asking Kawhi for references about the Spurs and their personnel/ownership).

    Ownership isn't here to side with X or Y person, tbh, and unlike the marketing slogan of "Spurs family", this is a business. People do their jobs as best they can but if they don't produce positive results for the business, they get canned. It's not fair, but it's what happens on any compe ive business.

    The reason I'm asking is MoSpur called this thing a year before it all happened. People mocked him here initially, until it really happened and got vindicated. So I have to take his word on this matter as valid. timvp, a respected, if not venerated personality in the world of Spurs journalism mentioned same. Neither of them want to reveal who this person is, or persons are, and that's ok. Naming names is immaterial now, but I think it would be more important to find out if they're still connected with the organization.

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    Are you sure we were targeting DDR anyways? I always thought it was Green+Murray+18 for Kemba.

    Honestly, when Demar freaked out after he knowing his name was in trade talks, the Spurs should've leveraged that by purposely killing talk of trade with the Raptors while still leaving Toronto with a toxic relationship with their own star player. Then, come back to it after Demar demands out himself, and then maybe you get OG or give up Mills instead of Green.

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    Are you sure we were targeting DDR anyways? I always thought it was Green+Murray+18 for Kemba.

    Honestly, when Demar freaked out after he knowing his name was in trade talks, the Spurs should've leveraged that by purposely killing talk of trade with the Raptors while still leaving Toronto with a toxic relationship with their own star player. Then, come back to it after Demar demands out himself, and then maybe you get OG or give up Mills instead of Green.
    Now do you think any front office that was stupid enough to give out those large contracts to Gasol and Mills, and alienate their star player, is skilled enough to have negotiated with the Raps as you suggest?

    I really admire Dell Demps for the massive internal damage he did to the Lakers by leaking the names of all their players involved in the proposed AD trade. Pure evil genius.

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    Since kawhi has zero personality from now on i will talk about his uncle and only him and by talk i mean, uncle tbh.

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    (ie: asking Kawhi for references about the Spurs and their personnel/ownership).
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    they would have to find whatever closet he was hiding in first, ill take the risk!

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    And PATFO shut him down. It's not like they were forcing him to play. The only reason they expected him to come back was because the only communication coming from his camp was "He's 95%".
    Ur agreeing with me then... Many ppl think he stopped himself from playing... He was shut down by the Spurs after the 9 games because he was clearly still injured

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    Now do you think any front office that was stupid enough to give out those large contracts to Gasol and Mills, and alienate their star player, is skilled enough to have negotiated with the Raps as you suggest?

    I really admire Dell Demps for the massive internal damage he did to the Lakers by leaking the names of all their players involved in the proposed AD trade. Pure evil genius.
    They wouldn't have bothered to leverage the fact Masai was already looking to ship DeMar, somewhat lying to him in the process, no. But it is what I would've done.

    The AD trade wasn't even possible because realistically the Pels wouldn't have been able to take back more than two players. Demps possibly destroyed the Lakers for the next 2-3 years, the entire LeBron timeline. I love him!

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    The reason I'm asking is MoSpur called this thing a year before it all happened. People mocked him here initially, until it really happened and got vindicated. So I have to take his word on this matter as valid. timvp, a respected, if not venerated personality in the world of Spurs journalism mentioned same. Neither of them want to reveal who this person is, or persons are, and that's ok. Naming names is immaterial now, but I think it would be more important to find out if they're still connected with the organization.

    But none of those old rumors (none that I recall, anyway) had ANYTHING to do with an injury. People can't have it both ways. Either this was about an injury, or it was older than that.

    Only one of two things happened: either Kawhi was too hurt to play, or he was faking it to force a trade. No?

    So if he was too hurt to play, it means that the Spurs medical staff was trying to force a too-injured player back on the floor.
    If he was faking to force a trade, it means that the Spurs medical staff was right, and I understand the organization's frustration.

    Either he was able to mask his discomfort while playing those 9 games, but unable to mask it in Toronto.
    Or he was faking, and took a year off to force a trade. But he decided to play 9 pain-free games here for a product launch.

    I'm convinced Uncle and Nephew wanted to get to a bigger market, on a team that would give him free reign - and they trumped up some personal bull about him being injured (after the fact) to justify it. And I'm convinced because of the things I've seen, and not because I want to believe one way or the other. Did somebody say something he didn't like? Probably. That doesn't change ANY of the other.

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    Ownership isn't here to side with X or Y person, tbh, and unlike the marketing slogan of "Spurs family", this is a business. People do their jobs as best they can but if they don't produce positive results for the business, they get canned. It's not fair, but it's what happens on any compe ive business.

    I don't know how many compe ive businesses you've been involved with or haven't. But upper management has to look at facts and make decisions. Often that means deciding between two "experts" with totally differing positions. If they didn't, they would get paralyzed, and the business would fail. Always.

    So saying they aren't here to side with X or Y person is naďve to the point of being silly. Of course that's what they're here to do.

    So what "positive results" do you think the medical staff were responsible for? Convincing Kawhi to stay, even though he and Uncle wanted to get to a bigger market? Now THAT would be something that medical staff are not responsible for. Should they have cured Kawhi from a condition that may not be curable? Or maybe didn't even exist? Or are you saying that they really did mis-diagnose him?

    You can't just make statements like that without taking responsibility for what the statement really means.

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    There was an article from Yahoo Sports that indicated Spurs brass advised Kawhi's group they wanted to shut him down for the season. Kawhi's group balked.

    In addition, apparently Spurs brass acquiesced to Uncle Dennis et al in giving them authority to decide when Kawhi would return to the court. This is why the "lack of trust" narrative/distraction is bogus, imo. I'm guessing Kawhi wanted to return on multiple occasions, but Uncle D blocked him (this is where the real trust issue lied). Naturally, the team called a meeting to call out Kawhi, as any contender should. In turn, Dennis took this meeting and manufactured a trust issue. It's an excuse to save face for Kawhi's brand. Besides, if getting Kawhi out of SA was due to lack of trust, why the need to convince him to remain in Toronto? Because from the beginning, after Kawhi's group visited China and realized potential ($$$) to build an exclusive brand, their plan has been to get him to LA.

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    But none of those old rumors (none that I recall, anyway) had ANYTHING to do with an injury. People can't have it both ways. Either this was about an injury, or it was older than that.

    Only one of two things happened: either Kawhi was too hurt to play, or he was faking it to force a trade. No?

    So if he was too hurt to play, it means that the Spurs medical staff was trying to force a too-injured player back on the floor.
    If he was faking to force a trade, it means that the Spurs medical staff was right, and I understand the organization's frustration.

    Either he was able to mask his discomfort while playing those 9 games, but unable to mask it in Toronto.
    Or he was faking, and took a year off to force a trade. But he decided to play 9 pain-free games here for a product launch.

    I'm convinced Uncle and Nephew wanted to get to a bigger market, on a team that would give him free reign - and they trumped up some personal bull about him being injured (after the fact) to justify it. And I'm convinced because of the things I've seen, and not because I want to believe one way or the other. Did somebody say something he didn't like? Probably. That doesn't change ANY of the other.
    You're glossing over that there was, reportedly, some disagreement between Kawhi and his entourage and somebody in the organization, and it's not entirely clear if it had to do with the injury or not. At least Uncle here says it was related to that, and there was a loss of trust.

    Ultimately, if true, the injury story becomes less relevant. One would even argue it makes sense if whatever that argument was ended up with Kawhi wanting to leave, and the injury angle works just as well.

    Like you said, I don't know if it's true, but some people claim to know, and all I really want to know is if those people are still with the organization.

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    I don't know how many compe ive businesses you've been involved with or haven't. But upper management has to look at facts and make decisions. Often that means deciding between two "experts" with totally differing positions. If they didn't, they would get paralyzed, and the business would fail. Always.

    So saying they aren't here to side with X or Y person is naďve to the point of being silly. Of course that's what they're here to do.

    So what "positive results" do you think the medical staff were responsible for? Convincing Kawhi to stay, even though he and Uncle wanted to get to a bigger market? Now THAT would be something that medical staff are not responsible for. Should they have cured Kawhi from a condition that may not be curable? Or maybe didn't even exist? Or are you saying that they really did mis-diagnose him?

    You can't just make statements like that without taking responsibility for what the statement really means.
    You're missing my point or I didn't express myself correctly. The point is that this is a business, decisions are made to what's good or better for the business in the short/long term. That includes handling secrecy and communication, especially with a top 3/5 player in the league.

    Unless Kawhi impregnated Pop's daughter, there's just no situation where, business wise, it makes sense for Pop to come out publicly and say Kawhi is not a leader. Or the doctors to clear him to play even though he claims he was hurt. Even if they're both absolutely right, it puts the hands that feeds you and the team's future on the spot.

    This happens all the time in businesses, especially compe ive businesses. There's decisions that might with the consumer, but are great for the bottom line. The consumer didn't do anything wrong, most likely everything right, and they still get the short end of the stick.

    Or the guy that might've made the company 50-100 million but had two bad 6 million projects in a row, and gets canned. That's what being a compe ive business is. It's not a family, it's what have you done for me lately.

    Clearly, considering the value lost by the Spurs on that forced trade, some heads should've rolled. Have they? That's what would be nice to know.

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    Ur agreeing with me then... Many ppl think he stopped himself from playing... He was shut down by the Spurs after the 9 games because he was clearly still injured
    I was never saying he faked the injury, I was arguing that kawhi & co used it(the injury) as a plot device in their “get the out of Texas” campaign. Unconventional, but it worked.

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    The uncle is the gatekeeper in this situation and he has been feeding the poison to the media (for 2 years) and his nephew (for at least three years if not longer).

    There is no way that Dennis Robertson is a person of integrity. His actions have been VERY questionable and erratic for years. I bet Bryan Elfus would be able to shed a ton of light on his former "Impact Sports" associates, if anyone bothers to pay attention (especially ESPN). ESPN is too worried about sagging ratings and providing a SJW angle for their product. Have you seen the way Adam Silver and his gang promote the ratings starved WNBA? Unbelievable.
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    BTW, the "Group" has been in control of Nephews medical situation for two years. The guy still looks gimpy even after an entire season off two years ago and missing 30% of the regular season this year with no specific reported injury. He was never on the injury list.

    I'm convinced a chronic problem is in place that has been going on for 8-9 years to various degrees. The Spurs understandably were wondering how committed this guy actually is after 2017-2018 season. The guy was NOT rehabbing anything in June and July of 2018 because of the ankle sprain and the fact that the season was over. The "group" advises the Spurs (and the org allows) the "group" to take control of the rehab in Aug 2018 with their own doctors and the guy essentially missed the entire following season. None of it passes the smell test. It was nothing more than a concocted "medical" holdout to destroy the Spurs relationship with the player and the player destroys his own trade value by the holdout and demands eventually made so that the acquiring only gives up pennies on the dollar - improving his chances to get in the playoffs. The actions of a s bag. Subsequent win loss results DO NOT change this.

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    The mistrust surrounding the injury definitely played a prominent role; Uncle Dennis isn't lying about that. It's difficult to point to the exact piece of hay that broke the camel's back but this was up there.

    However, the downfall was actually many years in the making. There are layers to it.

    The reason I don't say more is that to do so, I'd have to name names. There are like four or five prominent people right in the middle of the drama that media members don't really mention -- or only mention peripherally. Even if I drop vague hints, it'd take ST about five minutes to guess the names.

    Everyone I've emailed with regarding further details has come to the same conclusion: not worth the consequences. The people involved would deny it and there's a good chance of being blackballed.

    That said, I know some of the ESPN decision makers are now weighing whether to divulge more. With the Raptors in the Finals, they know it'd be a huge story that could be worth the blowback. I'd say there's a 50/50 chance they'll publish it in the next week.
    So it's been over a week and ESPN still hasn't published anything, so I guess it's safe to say they've decided against publishing it?

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    You crowbarred 'consent forms' and 'if kawhi doesn't agree to it, he wouldn't have a job' ...

    That is an outright lie from you. I did not.

    You're just too ignorant of this subject to understand what I wrote, or you're too dishonest to admit I'm right.

    ... after you got called out for the asinine things you said in your first post (which everyone can read, BTW, and had zero mentions of 'consent forms').
    You are a lying sack of .

    I wrote this in that first post:
    "...UNLESS they were authorized, by Kawhi himself, by his written consent..."

    Can you even read, you lying sack of ?

    Including stupid, made up things like the team doctors not being able to tell the team about Kawhi's condition, ...
    Which in fact they can't, WITHOUT HIS CONSENT, you ignorant, lying sack of .

    ...something factually incorrect in light of the uniform player contract posted above, and something you immediately tried to walk back.
    You are a lying sack of . The contract, itself, calls for what it refers to as a required authorization, a face I pointed out to you right in front of your face, you lying sack of .

    I don't really have time to keep dunking on you, ...
    You are smart to run away now, you lying sack of . It's the smartest thing you've done.

    tbh, this isn't about feelings. The rest of the posters here can read the posts and reach their own conclusions on who's talking out of his ass and who is not.
    They certainly can, dumbass.

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    You are a lying sack of .

    you lying sack of ?

    lying sack of .

    You are a lying sack of .

    you lying sack of .


    you lying sack of .
    Those are all great but lets have one more, this time dig deep and really feel it

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    Those are all great but lets have one more, this time dig deep and really feel it
    them feels getting hurt

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    You are smart to run away now
    lol I'm not going anywhere, your emo rants are dime a dozen in this place

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    So it's been over a week and ESPN still hasn't published anything, so I guess it's safe to say they've decided against publishing it?

    Nobodys publishing anything

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