Samanic has far better lateral agility/ can move his feet on D better than how Bertans looks when he tries to defend a quick player (he always trips on his feet)
A lot of people here seems to think that he is good on D. From the beginning i say that he is not good in that side of the game.
Some european scouts who watched him all year said that he is bad on D, that could be linked to his effort. We’ll see but he needs a lot of work on defense so maybe the dirk comparaison is not that bad ( a poor man version)
Watch some of his tapes, he's a Tom Gugliotta clone!
Nbadraft have just made his profile ( by the international scout Stefanos makris)
Weaknesses: Motor is questionable, can come and go, even during the same game ... Has stretches where he just disappears from the game... Can easily lose concentration... He gives the impression that leaves something to be desired because of his incosistency ... Good, but not an elite athlete ...Needs to continue bulking up his body... Average length and wingspan (measured at just 6-10.5 feet) ... Has a nice bounce, but when he doesn't have room to gather he looks limited against athletic players ... Incosistent shooter... His shooting stroke looks nice, but the truth is that he hasn't really shot the ball well in his career ... He doesn't shy away from
contact, but his body isn't really ready to withstand it just yet ... Has problems against physical defenders and he even had problems at the junior level against less physical opponents ... He settles for bad shoots when he has to go against physical defenders... Occasionally he just stands still on the perimeter waiting, not doing anything ... Decision making can be iffy at times ... Some of his moves on the post aren't “clean” enough, since he can rush things ... Has the tendency to go in to traffic after attacking a close out defense, giving the impression that he has decided what to do from the beginning ... He can turn from either shoulder while posting up, but in reality he prefers to turn on his left shoulder, which can make his game predictable ... Turnover prone, he might telegraph passes, or try passes that just aren't there ... For the time being he is not strong enough to guard power forwards and doesn't have the necessary lateral quickness to guard wings ... Bigger opponents can bully him in the post and score on him because of the difference in strength ... Doesn't always have a low stance on defense and depends too much on his athleticism ... Perimeter defense is an issue, since he gets beat by quick and explosive players... Has problems guarding the Pick and Roll because of his average lateral quickness and occasionaly lethargic approach on defense...
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/luka-samanic
im not that low about samanic but I just want to show my concerns about his D.
What's the same about them besides your assertion that all whites play the same tbh?
I just remembered about your love for ol' Bustnani. How your boy doing these days, tbh?
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. The Spurs will meet and eat with a handful of prospects each year. RC and the rest of the front office like to get prospects in front of Pop because he's regarded as the best judge of character in the organization. And history says Pop is usually right about guys (best examples might be when Pop ended up being right about Scola [RC was the one who didn't like him] and Raja Bell [RC insisted on Derrick Dial instead]).
Considering Samanic's main question mark is his character and whether he is going to be someone who will try hard consistently, that is definitely someone the Spurs should have Pop trying to figure out.
I'd say Samanic is up there as a top five or so prospect in terms of most likely to be drafted by the Spurs ... but I wouldn't classify it as much more of a certainty than that.
I highly disagree, tbh. Bertans can survive in the NBA because he has very good agility on the perimeter for a big. He's close to elite at that.
Samanic has a much bigger build than Bertans and while he's more athletic, his agility out on the perimeter isn't as good as Bertans. It's been pretty impressive at times ... but judging more on the scale of an NBA center rather than an NBA stretch four. It's more like Samanic won't get eaten alive by pick-and-rolls, which in itself is an important quality to have for modern day bigs.
tl;dr: Bertans is close to elite as far as agility out on the perimeter, whereas Samanic is adequate for a four and good for a five.
This lesson is one of the biggest lessons I’ve learned over the years; PLENTY of guys could put up 20PPG if given the opportunity on bad teams. It’s not nearly as special as I thought it was back then.
Wait, what? Well why do you think Bertans struggles on D? Strength? Ehhh....
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. The Spurs will meet and eat with a handful of prospects each year. RC and the rest of the front office like to get prospects in front of Pop because he's regarded as the best judge of character in the organization. And history says Pop is usually right about guys (best examples might be when Pop ended up being right about Scola [RC was the one who didn't like him] and Raja Bell [RC insisted on Derrick Dial instead]).
Considering Samanic's main question mark is his character and whether he is going to be someone who will try hard consistently, that is definitely someone the Spurs should have Pop trying to figure out.
I'd say Samanic is up there as a top five or so prospect in terms of most likely to be drafted by the Spurs ... but I wouldn't classify it as much more of a certainty than that.
I highly disagree, tbh. Bertans can survive in the NBA because he has very good agility on the perimeter for a big. He's close to elite at that.
Samanic has a much bigger build than Bertans and while he's more athletic, his agility out on the perimeter isn't as good as Bertans. It's been pretty impressive at times ... but judging more on the scale of an NBA center rather than an NBA stretch four. It's more like Samanic won't get eaten alive by pick-and-rolls, which in itself is an important quality to have for modern day bigs.
tl;dr: Bertans is close to elite as far as agility out on the perimeter, whereas Samanic is adequate for a four and good for a five.
Bertans is the better shooter, better in terms of playing within an offense, a better passer right now, better perimeter defender and better help defender.
Samanic is the better post player, better ball-handler, more diverse scorer, better driver, better rebounder, better post defender.
Basically, Bertans is almost strictly a stretch four. Samanic has a chance to be a much more well-rounded player.
If Samanic can get up to about 235-240, I think he could survive at center against bench units with Bertans at PF. Right now, Samanic is 227 so he's getting close.
But, yeah, drafting Samanic would also give the Spurs the ability to not worry about overpaying Bertans next summer. They could set their max and let him walk with a capable replacement in the system. Long-terms, Samanic is more of a four ... unless the NBA continues getting smaller to the point that traditional centers become extinct.
Yeah, strength (and rebounding) would be Bertans' major drawback on defense. If you need evidence, just go back and watch him try to defend Millsap ... only to get steamrolled.
But, really, Pop usually avoids putting Bertans in positions where his lack of strength can get exposed. That's why his defensive plus/minus numbers have always looked great. You hide him from bruisers and otherwise Bertans is a pretty darn good defender, tbh.
True, 'tis a lesson we must all learn. Tbh, I remember being impressed by Dominique Wilkins' scoring back in '97
Skin color has nothing to do with it. They are both 6’8 and taller who handle the ball and can drive.
Bertans can handle the ball? Since when has he ever dribbled the ball for more than 4 seconds? Whats your standard for players who handle the ball? Seems like anybody can handle the ball in your eyes.
Pretty good writeup, though he seems to see Samanic as a 3/4. I see him more of a 4/5 in today's NBA. I agree that his perimeter defense is an issue if you expect him to defend threes full-time -- I don't think he can do it or could ever do it.
Well I’m pretty sure the Spurs aren’t taking him at 19 cause that would be a reach, and he won’t last til 29 imo. Think BKN at 27 would be all over him or GSW at 28. So I don’t think he winds up a Spur.
I actually think he has a chance to go at 19 to us. There just aren’t many bigs with his type of perimeter skills in this draft.
He brings back the negative connotation to the word tweener.
His low defensive ceiling is really putting me off.
Yeah I liked him but first as a late first or early second round pick he could be good or he Good Be bad I think I would pass him at 19 but would take him at 29.
Standard would be like Danny Green
Hes not a reach if he is their target.
Having dinner with Pop. Posting Spurs photos on his Instagram. All the signs are there.
Hard to believe that Spurs pick him at #19.
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