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spying!
And with the help of big names in media they’re turning journalism into an intelligence operation
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-new...ew-journalists
Former NATSEC officials have been TV talking heads for about as long as there's been cable TV. They've been writing newspaper op-eds for much longer than that
Pretending like this is brand new is akin to pretending harsh immigration policies started with Donald Trump.
gullible TSA
I noticed the word Fox doesn't show up anywhere in the article.
If you don’t mind list them, the le they held, and with which network. Also highlight former heads of intelligence agencies turned cable analysts.
I'm at bar watching a friend play music right now, might find some time later.
Please feel free to research your own topic yourself in the meantime.
Or you could just read the article. It’s obvious from the replies so far no one has.
Eh, you just posted without comment.
Go yourself if you don't want to even talk about it.
Former intel folk are all over the media, left and right.
So what?
You included. Do you have a take on your own post?
Be a good friend, enjoy some live music, and get off Spurstalk. Happy to discuss the article after you’ve actually read it.
No take in your own post?
I read and responded, what's your take on your own OP?
For some some historical context RE: interpenetration of NATSEC and news media, skim this:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ci...o-know/5471956
The NATSEC state was established by President Truman. Your alleged timing is off by over 70 years, TSA. The synergy of which you speak is OLD.
Last edited by Winehole23; 06-06-2019 at 01:31 AM.
It's like he forgot there was ever a Cold War, or a GHWB, or a Bill Clinton, or a GWB,.
It's as if the clock reset for him in 2008, erasing the previous 60 years from his memory.
To be fair, a lot of rock-ribbed Republicans totally freaked out when a center-right black President was elected.
Back then we were all patriots fighting the evils of commies and hippies.
Completely different levels of outrage now that we’re fighting twitter and the liburl media.
Fortunately we have undercover agent Dennison on the case, who is totally not compromised and will tariff the deep state to death.
Srsly, it’s like some people got bored that there’s no Cold War anymore, now they need new boogeymen... sad!
sure deep state had people in media for decades that's no secret. but it was not as in your face and blatant IMO
they did not have former heads/bosses of CIA, FBI, NSA, etc being daily television contributors (Phil Mudd, John Brennan, James Clapper, Michael Hayden, Jim Comey) I mean these guys are daily talking about every single minutia of foreign policy on CNN, NBC, FOX, etc. that's definitely new
these faces were the heads and bosses of agencies or entire departments. They do not need money. why are they there in our ing tvs daily?
I think at the beginning for decades (1950-1990) their work was more behind the scenes as it was easier to control the handful of media corporations and control the public opinion. I mean most ppl those days would all watch the same tv channels and news sources.
in the 90s and 00s they had to step up their game to propagandize the Iraq wars and the the "war on terror". so they built a more robust apparatus to control the mainstream media.
the next game changer was the Snowden exposes and the wikileaks exposes. Those really put these guys in damage control mode and they stepped their game even more transforming US media to what is now, mainly a sock puppet for them.
the most recent game changer was trump winning the election. this was not their guy and he won handily. they melted down and went into overdrive. and the last 4 years is their meltdown. Russia gate, pee tapes, etc everything is on the table now. they are scrambling and now that ppl are actually turning off mainstream media, they are going for the independent and social media.
it's all a game and they were in control for decades. the technological advances has them now playing defense and damage control.
Last edited by hater; 06-06-2019 at 08:49 AM.
you can actually compare whats going on now as opposed to before to this scenario.
for most of the school year you had your teacher telling you stuff like "so and so is good, so and so is bad, etc"
whats going on now is like your school principal shows up at your class now and lectures you almost daily. that's whats going on.
In the old days, America’s top spies would complete their tenures at the CIA or one of the other Washington puzzle palaces and segue to more ordinary pursuits. Some wrote their memoirs. One ran for president. Another died a few months after surrendering his post. But today’s national-security establishment retiree has a different game plan. After so many years of brawling in the shadows, he yearns for a second, lucrative career in the public eye. He takes a crash course in speaking in soundbites, refreshes his wardrobe and signs a TV news contract. Then, several times a week, waits for a network limousine to shuttle him to the broadcast news studios where, after a light dusting of foundation and a spritz of hairspray, he takes a supporting role in the anchors’ nighttime shows.
Former CIA Director John Brennan (2013-17) is the latest superspook to be reborn as a TV newsie. He just cashed in at NBC News as a “senior national security and intelligence analyst” and served his first expert views on last Sunday’s edition of Meet the Press. The Brennan acquisition seeks to elevate NBC to spook parity with CNN, which employs former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former CIA Director Michael Hayden in a similar capacity. Other, lesser-known national security veterans thrive under TV’s grow lights. Almost too numerous to list, they include Chuck Rosenberg, former acting DEA administrator, chief of staff for FBI Director James B. Comey, and counselor to former FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III; Frank Figliuzzi, former chief of FBI counterintelligence; Juan Zarate, deputy national security adviser under Bush, at NBC; and Fran Townsend, homeland security adviser under Bush, at CBS News. CNN’s bulging roster also includes former FBI agent Asha Rangappa; former FBI agent James Gagliano; Obama’s former deputy national security adviser Tony Blinken; former House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers; senior adviser to the National Security Council during the Obama administration Samantha Vinograd; retired CIA operations officer Steven L. Hall; and Philip Mudd, also retired from the CIA.
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But the downside of outsourcing national security coverage to the TV spies is obvious. They aren’t in the business of breaking news or uncovering secrets. Their first loyalty—and this is no slam—is to the agency from which they hail. Imagine a TV network covering the auto industry through the eyes of dozens of paid former auto executives and you begin to appreciate the current peculiarities.
In a perfect television world, the networks would retire the retired spooks from their payrolls and reallocate those sums to the hiring of independent reporters to cover the national security beat. Let the TV spies become unpaid anonymous sources because when you get down to it, TV spies don’t want to make news—they just want to talk about it.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...a-media-216943
Lots of handwaving about how it's different now based on frequency of television appearances alone, as of these people were putting themselves on the cable news, iwhile in fact cable news asks NATSEC figures on to make its own reporting seem more authoritative, also to inflate threats and spread fear.
Once cable TV figured out that war and terror drive the ratings, it needed the NATSEC establishment more than ever. Seems to me NATSEC hasn't changed so much as the TV"s business model. Like I mentioned a few posts up, spooks have been working to influence news media from the inside for at least 70 years -- pretending that the same happening now is a difference in kind is pure hype.
More specificallu, it's the au courant right wing narrative that John Brennan, James Clapper and the current crop of liberals invented media psyops and present a new and unique threat to democracy itself. That narrative is bull . It is neither new, nor unique, nor is it exclusive to liberals.
Last edited by Winehole23; 06-06-2019 at 09:26 AM.
Disagreed.
I am no right winger and I see lots of difference between spooks working with media behind the scenes for decades to former recent spook mega bosses being on tv networks on a daily basis lecturing the public. This has a lot to do for damage control of the recent major intelligence leaks, continuing the Trumpgate hoax and diversion tactics from other important issues the US public should be learning about.
pretending this is business as usual is equivalent to burying your head in the sand IMO
NATSEC talking heads on TV have been telling us what to think for the last 18 years continually, and intermittently for about 20 years before that.
What is it you think TV commentators are preventing the public from learning, hater?
Except they are not NATSEC talking heads now. they are former agency and department bosses. Pretending this is not new is like pretending global warming is nothing new.
Attrocities by US and allies overseas to start with. Violation of US citizen privacy and human rights, US meddling in foreign governments, censorship, US support of terrorist organizations, etc, etc. domestic major issues like healthcare, homelessness, drug addiction, etc. too many things to list them all.
Do you not think its a BAD thing for former intelligence agency bosses to be on daily mainstream "news" networks, winehole?
Former intelligence heads criticize Donald Trump and suddenly journalism is dead.
A President who has to receive his intelligence reports in the form of crayon drawings is unpopular with the people in charge of that intelligence, god forbid they be allowed to criticize him on television.
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