Alrighr LJ, let’s hear it...

[Legacy]

No pressure, though, timvp.

[YGWHI]

If the Spurs made mistakes. Do you think they acknowledge that and are they making changes (how they handle things within the org) based off that fact?.

I guess this is the only thing that I want to know

I don't care if Kawhi's representatives or the Spurs made mistakes two seasons ago...I just want to know if the Spurs are willing to change and adapt

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

This should be interesting to finally read but most likely will be a huge let down and not as groundbreaking as many think it will be

[Twisted_Dawg]

I might write something in the next few days if I feel like it but it's not going to be anything too earth shattering, tbh. Not going to go into full details. It wouldn't do the Spurs any good to expose everything ... and I'm a Spurs fan before anything, tbh.

Safe to say Spurs made their fair share of mistakes and didn't handle things well in retrospect...

Why don't you issue a full report and redact the out of it? That would give us something to do all summer trying to figure out what you blacked out.

[Play Boban]

I am waiting for the tspence26 bomb tbh.

[playblair]

lj thats wack just go into full details or dont write it at all.........

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[sananspursfan21]

So let’s say it ALWAYS was the lack of trust about the injury for why kawhi wanted out.
Then why only say you want to go to L.A? Yes it’s your home town but like 98% of NBA players play on a team that was not originally their hometown.

Why did his group continue to give false dates on when kawhi was going to return? Kept pump faking the spurs as Michael c Wright said. Which ended up being the most frustrating part for the players based on what Manu said last year.

i kept hearing that Pop wanted to shut kawhi down for the year but kawhi wanted to keep rehabbing in hopes of returning, is that true? If so, how would this be a lack of trust?

We kept hearing that the relationship started changing after Kawhi changed agents which was like 2, 3 years ago. Was a trade request imminent regardless of what had happened last year because of this. Because of the agency his uncle wants to create.

Why no 1 on 1 meeting with Pop during the summer?

it seemed like the Supermax was the last thing on kawhis mind, but maybe it wasn’t. Did this play a huge role in him leaving? But again, why be a and screw the spurs and say only L.A.

We heard so many conflicting reports it’s mind numbing to try to figure out what’s true and what’s false. First supposedly kawhi says he would do anything for the players but it’s the organization that’s treating him bad or something to that nature. And that was said during the player only meeting. But then we hear that it’s the players causing him grief and that he still loves Pop but just couldn’t be in SA anymore because of Spurs players. But now it seems like he didn’t like Pop very much with some comments made throughout the season. but thats just trying to read between the lines on what kawhi has said in recent interviews.

i still believe it has MOSTLY to do with Uncle Dennis and Spurs front office clashing heads. And as soon as he felt disrespected, all it takes is for him to tell his nephew that the Spurs are not treating him fairly, or with respect.

Uncle wanted more control (look at the All star incident in New Orleans where uncle is saying spurs are being too demanding) Uncle demanded certain things from the spurs but didn’t get them so it got ugly.

40% of the Raptors championship starting lineup were molded by the spurs. To say that the Spurs did not have their future franchise player best interest in mind when dealing with this injury situation seems absurd. Pop claimed kawhi to be the best player in the world back in 2017 so I’m pretty sure he knows to take care of him just like he took care of timmy after he went down in 2000 and wanted to comeback to play in the playoffs.

This, this, and this. Even if the FO made a few mistakes, was Kawhi the perfect little lamb?? No! 8 months ago, everyone on here HATED Kawhi and now all of a sudden it’s all Spurs fault? Stupid. If you ask me, Kawhi’s mind was made up about a trade at the latest in October when it was announced he had an “injury”.

Ive been on this forum for a decade, I shouldn’t be surprised at how wishy washy so many of these guys on here are. But somehow, I’m always a little shocked.

[SAGirl]

I might write something in the next few days if I feel like it but it's not going to be anything too earth shattering, tbh. Not going to go into full details. It wouldn't do the Spurs any good to expose everything ... and I'm a Spurs fan before anything, tbh.

Safe to say Spurs made their fair share of mistakes and didn't handle things well in retrospect...

I am very well convinced about this.

Anywhere else someone’s head would roll. Someone would get fired.

The Spurfan who would blindingly blame Kawhi and the group for the entire rift is in denial. Things in life are never that black and white.

[Collins21]

I am very well convinced about this.

Anywhere else someone’s head would roll. Someone would get fired.

The Spurfan who would blindingly blame Kawhi and the group for the entire rift is in denial. Things in life are never that black and white.

So are you implying that the Spurs were completely at fault and Kawhi has no blame?

[lmbebo]

I believe that Kawhi/Team/Family had ulterior motives and weren't forth right with the Spurs in the situation. Certain Spurs didn't handle it well and may have done things to make things worse (not a common thing we've dealt with as a team). But ultimately, it won't change how I think of the situation.

[DesignatedT]

Manu was one of the main guys calling out Kawhi yet he gets a pass.

[exstatic]

Manu was one of the main guys calling out Kawhi yet he gets a pass.

Manu gets a pass because he's a ing warrior who played injured many times, including with a broken elbow during the 2011 playoffs, unlike a certain asshole who wouldn't play with a sore quad.

[Keepin' it real]

The main thing to clarify is this:

Was Kawhi determined to leave the Spurs no matter what because that's what he wanted ... regardless of what the Spurs could say or do ... OR was he open to staying here but the Spurs screwed up by saying/doing things to make him want to leave?

[rjv]

I might write something in the next few days if I feel like it but it's not going to be anything too earth shattering, tbh. Not going to go into full details. It wouldn't do the Spurs any good to expose everything ... and I'm a Spurs fan before anything, tbh.

Safe to say Spurs made their fair share of mistakes and didn't handle things well in retrospect...

honestly, i'd rather you'd just write something or not write something but not tell everyone that you may or may not, all the while throwing out innuendos here and there. all that does is add fuel to the speculative fire.

[rjv]

also, time to move on. the dude won a le, toronto's gamble paid off in a huge way and one has to decide whether to stay a spurs fan or not. that's sports.

[Uriel]

The same Spurs fans who were so happy to trade Kawhi are now saying the front office screwed up.

Meanwhile, lone voices in the wilderness like me who have been saying from the start that Leonard should never have been traded in the first place are now fully vindicated.

[TDomination]

I believe that Kawhi/Team/Family had ulterior motives and weren't forth right with the Spurs in the situation. Certain Spurs didn't handle it well and may have done things to make things worse (not a common thing we've dealt with as a team). But ultimately, it won't change how I think of the situation.

I definitely feel there was an ulterior motive. Not sure what but i believe the injury aspect of it was just something to use as a crutch as to why they wanted to leave.
And the Spurs did not know how to handle this and made a lot of regrettable decisions in the process.

I am very well convinced about this.

Anywhere else someone’s head would roll. Someone would get fired.

The Spurfan who would blindingly blame Kawhi and the group for the entire rift is in denial. Things in life are never that black and white.

I would agree with that statement. But i hope you're not implying that the Spurs were 100% at fault and Kawhi and his group had no fault in this whatsoever.

The main thing to clarify is this:

Was Kawhi determined to leave the Spurs no matter what because that's what he wanted ... regardless of what the Spurs could say or do ... OR was he open to staying here but the Spurs screwed up by saying/doing things to make him want to leave?

Thats the million dollar question. It seems like based on what Timvp and others has said, the implosion that happened last year was years in the making. I'm curious to know if there is anything the Spurs could have done last year that would have kept Kawhi here.

[Legacy]

Manu gets a pass because he's a ing warrior who played injured many times, including with a broken elbow during the 2011 playoffs, unlike a certain asshole who wouldn't play with a sore quad.

Manu rolling around all over the court grasping the ball for dear life like he wasn't even hurt while the Grizzlies were piling on top of him. That was so ing awesome.

[r0drig0lac]

The main thing to clarify is this:

Was Kawhi determined to leave the Spurs no matter what because that's what he wanted ... regardless of what the Spurs could say or do ... OR was he open to staying here but the Spurs screwed up by saying/doing things to make him want to leave?

[Proxy]

So let’s say it ALWAYS was the lack of trust about the injury for why kawhi wanted out.
Then why only say you want to go to L.A? Yes it’s your home town but like 98% of NBA players play on a team that was not originally their hometown.

Why did his group continue to give false dates on when kawhi was going to return? Kept pump faking the spurs as Michael c Wright said. Which ended up being the most frustrating part for the players based on what Manu said last year.

i kept hearing that Pop wanted to shut kawhi down for the year but kawhi wanted to keep rehabbing in hopes of returning, is that true? If so, how would this be a lack of trust?

We kept hearing that the relationship started changing after Kawhi changed agents which was like 2, 3 years ago. Was a trade request imminent regardless of what had happened last year because of this. Because of the agency his uncle wants to create.

Why no 1 on 1 meeting with Pop during the summer?

it seemed like the Supermax was the last thing on kawhis mind, but maybe it wasn’t. Did this play a huge role in him leaving? But again, why be a and screw the spurs and say only L.A.

We heard so many conflicting reports it’s mind numbing to try to figure out what’s true and what’s false. First supposedly kawhi says he would do anything for the players but it’s the organization that’s treating him bad or something to that nature. And that was said during the player only meeting. But then we hear that it’s the players causing him grief and that he still loves Pop but just couldn’t be in SA anymore because of Spurs players. But now it seems like he didn’t like Pop very much with some comments made throughout the season. but thats just trying to read between the lines on what kawhi has said in recent interviews.

i still believe it has MOSTLY to do with Uncle Dennis and Spurs front office clashing heads. And as soon as he felt disrespected, all it takes is for him to tell his nephew that the Spurs are not treating him fairly, or with respect.

Uncle wanted more control (look at the All star incident in New Orleans where uncle is saying spurs are being too demanding) Uncle demanded certain things from the spurs but didn’t get them so it got ugly.

40% of the Raptors championship starting lineup were molded by the spurs. To say that the Spurs did not have their future franchise player best interest in mind when dealing with this injury situation seems absurd. Pop claimed kawhi to be the best player in the world back in 2017 so I’m pretty sure he knows to take care of him just like he took care of timmy after he went down in 2000 and wanted to comeback to play in the playoffs.

[kobyz]

Manu was one of the main guys calling out Kawhi yet he gets a pass.

This is a Manu forum, here he's even getting a pass on quitting the Spurs in 2013...

[Dejounte]

The same Spurs fans who were so happy to trade Kawhi are now saying the front office screwed up.

Meanwhile, lone voices in the wilderness like me who have been saying from the start that Leonard should never have been traded in the first place are now fully vindicated.

Good for you? I mean i hope you really feel good about yourself...

[kobyz]

LOL LJ acting like a tough guy and you all buying it...

[cjw]

So are you implying that the Spurs were completely at fault and Kawhi has no blame?

Just salty that the Spurs found Beli more worthy of the MLE than Kyle