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I'm not suggesting what patfo will do. That's just what I think is doable in the market. If we want bogdanovic there are only two way I can see ti realistically get there, the way I illustrated above of moving DDR or LMA.
When have the spurs ever shed 2-3 players in one off season to sign a guy?
I'm not suggesting what patfo will do. That's just what I think is doable in the market. If we want bogdanovic there are only two way I can see ti realistically get there, the way I illustrated above of moving DDR or LMA.
believe me bro, i want a trade as bad as the next person but you really don't know what you have with this roster. There were so much variables last year and we all know the bulk of them.
I agree with everyone, but we are just one year too early to feel that way. You have to see what DD can do in season 2 considering most players do a lot better with a couple seasons under their belt. He showed just enough. You have to see what Murray is and if Murray and White can be paired together. You have to see if the team is just mediocre or if they had too many injuries and new parts. They had a promising finish. It's just one year to early to write this group off. If they get through the Nuggets they could of very well been in the WCF or Finals LUL. The West is just too wide open next year to double down. New players would require more learning curve. Keeping the group together gives us a best chance imo.
I must say though, Patty and Beli had enough time to show, so in my estimation they will be 3rd stringers this year if the youth play to their potential. If the youth makes mistakes than you play the "culture" to bring the energy and solid play.
Largely agree with this. I would add (and hence my hypothetical) that a third approach would to to attach our 2020 first rounder to Mills, plus one of the expiring contracts like Belli. That’s gets you the space for Bojan.
Spurs could have 3 rookies this year if they bring in Mulitinov, so an interest in punting next year might not be that farfetched.
There might be a taker for that but, I'm not sure who it would be? It would need to be a team looking for cap space two summers from now.
When your draft picks are one of your best strengths and biggest assets as a franchise you don't just waste one on a dump especially for a player that is useful and when you are in flux. If we drafted like the Lakers I'd understand.
In a vacuum, sure. I think the bigger question is whether the target being acquired (Bojan or whoever) is worth all that, though, I think there is healthy debate as to how useful Patty and Belli are at this point.
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Fair enough.
Would athe Pacer do DDR for Bojan and TJ Warren? Do the Spurs without additional consideration?
Its hard to say. I don't see him fitting next to Oladipo. I could see them taking bertans and belli in a trade though.
@ the notion of this team trading Fatty. He is the LEADER of this team, remember?
Who's fat?
I would not trade Forbes unless it lands a player which will propel the Spurs to the next level. The kid has improved each year and was about the only which showed up every game vs the Nuggets. He is hungry and although he is undersized he competes. His contract is a huge value compared to most. I like Bertans but Pop was hesitate to play him due to matchups and I think his contract would be a better trade contract-wise ($7M+). I definately dogged DD to those close to me, but I think the Spurs will be smart to run mostly the same team back next year and hope corporal knowledge kicks in to Gay, DD, and the crew. Hopefully DD works with Chip on the 3-pt. shot as it will help tremendously for spacing purposes.
On really hope Lonnie takes the next step and gets some run. I am optimistic on the Spurs youth and draft picks but we shall see.
it is possible a sign and trade with more than two players? Belli + Bertans + Forbes makes for 15 millions...that could be Bojan salary range...
A lot of people irrationally hate Forbes, but there's no way he's on the "must-trade" list. He should be getting minutes next year, not because loyalty, but because he played his ass off and has improved dramatically each season. So long as Bryn is affordable for a third or fourth guard, you keep him around.
It is possible to do this trade, but there's no need to include Forbes unless it strongly reduces the amount of sweetener the Spurs would have to give up. Bertans and Beli can combine to match about $17.8 Million in salary. That should be (hopefully more than) enough for the first year of Bojan's salary. The team shouldn't be in any danger of nearing the tax unless they also use the full MLE. Even so, they should end up with enough breathing room not to worry about accidentally going over. And they could get even more room by getting the Pacers to take Metu and replacing Chim with a rookie.
I agree but I don't see the 17 millions you talk about...Davis is on the books for 7 milliins and Belli has a reduced salary next season for 5,5 millions or something like this...that makes less than 13 milions (probably not enough money to reach the sign and trade salary for a first year Bojan)...
Yeah davis and belli only seem to equal 12.8
You can take back $5 Million more in salary than you send out if you're under the tax. The Spurs would be way under both before and after, so they can take back $17.86 Million. Plenty in this deal. I added in Metu just to clear his salary if the Spurs don't want to keep him, and doing so would actually raise the amount to $19.2 Million. Matching the salary isn't really the hard part. Finding a way to get Indy to agree to the deal is. While Beli and Bertans are likely neutral or slightly positive value as a package, Indy really doesn't have a lot of room in their rotation. They may just prefer cap space to the Spurs' guys unless SA sends a first-rounder or some other incentive.
Who hates forbes?! Dude is a better,cheaper&younger version of fat wombat
Thanks for explaining!
that said, I'm not so fond on Bojan but looks like our FO is...I frankly would prefer someone more dedicated on defense. To me Bojan has quite the nsame defensive problems that Bertans has, and he is older, not as fast and jums a lot less...I know Pop is not a Bertan's fan, but I always have seen him like a good sf with a chance to be, given time and confidence, a wonderful shooter and improve till decent his perimeter defense...you know imho what has been his main problem? the contract he signed last year. If he choose the original Spurs proposal (four year at 5 millions per) he would have been considered an improvable prospect and given a lot more playing time just in light of his future development as a main weapon...signing a two year deal he (but I would tell more his agent) essentially bet big time in a boom first season with the perspective to earn big time considerations from the Spurs or eventually be traded. The fact he didn't have it (and is now considered our most possible traded player) is, imho, more about the fact he didn't had enough confidence and playing time from Pop. And I'm sorry for that because imho and by stats he's clearly one of the best 3 point shooters (spot up or exiting from screens) in nba right now...
S&T Bogdanovic for Mills and Lonnie!
White/Murray/Forbes
DDR/Keldon/Weatherspoon
Bogdanovic/Gay/Bellinelli
LMA/Samanic/Bertans
Jacob/Milutinov/Metu
Last edited by kobyz; 06-23-2019 at 03:40 AM.
No. You don't give up a 20 year old with that talent this early.
You can't trade Mills away, he's the glue guy.
The deal will be Bertans for Boganovic. This makes sense for both teams.
After some of his awful performances in the second half of the year I opened up to the idea of trading him. Now I'm thinking being a new father just really caught up with him. I presume Greg doesn't let him shoot the deeper threes he's comfortable with and it s up his rhythm. Also can't feel good to be passed up for the 3pt contest when you got the stats to prove you belong. May have come down with imposter syndrome.
Let's revisit this suggestion after summer league, where I'm sure Lonnie will be featured this year. I for one am convinced that he is our best hope for a future franchise player on the current roster, and wouldn't consider trading him until proved otherwise.
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