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At 15.6% last year I'm glad he didn't take many tbh. Engelland needs to completely remake his shot and if they're not doing that this summer DeRozan has to go.
I just don't understand how you trade away arguably the best player in the league and still end up in this dilemma, just so you can sell more regular season tickets and a 7th seed to a fanbase that wouldn't have questioned your moves regardless.....
And as far as Demar goes, I like how the narrative around him was he was always adding something new to his game every summer....that is everything except a 3 pointer and average defense.....
At 15.6% last year I'm glad he didn't take many tbh. Engelland needs to completely remake his shot and if they're not doing that this summer DeRozan has to go.
The got bent us over. I still wish the Spurs would have just suspended him and made him sit out the season if he wanted out, especially after he went AWOL last year.I just don't understand how you trade away arguably the best player in the league and still end up in this dilemma, just so you can sell more regular season tickets and a 7th seed to a fanbase that wouldn't have questioned your moves regardless.....
And as far as Demar goes, I like how the narrative around him was he was always adding something new to his game every summer....that is everything except a 3 pointer and average defense.....
His off/on numbers actually improved as the season progressed.
Wow, never would have guessed that. Wonder if it was just from getting a lot of minutes with White later in the season when the Spurs went from laughingstock to mediocre defensively.
I just don't understand how you trade away arguably the best player in the league and still end up in this dilemma, just so you can sell more regular season tickets and a 7th seed to a fanbase that wouldn't have questioned your moves regardless.....
And as far as Demar goes, I like how the narrative around him was he was always adding something new to his game every summer....that is everything except a 3 pointer and average defense.....
Atleast we got keldon johnson
Good question...
Via NBA.com, here are DeRozan's on/off numbers by month:
October +8.5
November -6.0
December -15.4
January -11.3
February +7.5
March -9.5
April +25.7 (5 regular season games)
Playoffs -18.7
Pre and Post All-Star Game:
Pre All-Star -5.9
Post All-Star +0.4
Thinking back, DeRozan was really good to start the season. He slowed down in the winter and stayed pretty bad until the All-Star break. He was solid to good after the All-Star break. These numbers don't perfectly align with those observations but his December and January slump lines up with what we observed.
I wasn't born or raised a Spurs fan and admittedly only became one during Duncan's peak MVP seasons, but that's a good 17 years.
Extending a max offer to DeRozan would be the most deflating move for me in those 17 years. It'd really be hard to follow the team.
Even if it's just a four year deal, it means he's on the roster for 2020 (final current contract), 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024.
Think about that Spurs fans... DeRozan being your anchor through the year 2024.
Pop can sign whatever deal he wants and still retire, the number of years means nothing and we all know it imo specifically in this case
Rc and co cant b that stoopid
If he really had plans of retiring after next year he wouldn't have signed a three year deal this off season. I'm interested on hearing what signs have you seen that make you think Pop will retire after this upcoming season.
exactly and with all the assistant coaching departures pop will likely play out those 3 seasons
It is surprising that one of your team’s best players doesn’t have positive trade value in most every situation. If that is true now, after DeRozan having a solid year, I don’t understand what the Spurs saw.
I don’t believe that to be true; I think he has value to plenty of teams and most teams aren’t lining up to give their best players away; even flawed ones.
I hope he stays for all three years but i don't see it. If our season has the same ending as the one that just ended i don't see him coming back and that possibility is big imo.
This... The combination of LMA, DDR, Bryn Forbes and Patty Mills make this the only spurs team where I have disliked more than one person at a time (Richard Jefferson, Hedo, David West)
This one gets it
Not totally related, but pretty funny
And now you can cross Portland off of that list
But maybe 2 of the 5 on this list (SA and CHA) get one done together
I think it was injury and usage too. He fell off a cliff when he got injured. He’s breaking down in his age
I’m not a Derozan hater like some in here, but I agree with not extending him. If you can get value for him in trade, that would be great, but I’m not in favor of picking up a long-term contract for someone who merely would keep the Spurs in the middle of the pack. I’d rather see his deal expire and then use those dollars to retain the young guys as they develop.
Pretty much.
Spurs feel like bringing their young guys along at a deliberate pace while in a winning environment is the best way to develop talent. Given their track record, I'd say that that theory of theirs has a lot of merit to it.
I'd be shocked if they extended him this summer. If they don't offer one next summer, I'd say that that's a really good sign that the young guards are developing nicely to the point where they can just take over.
And as far as Demar goes, I like how the narrative around him was he was always adding something new to his game every summer....that is everything except a 3 pointer and average defense.....
All the Kawhi stuff is water under the bridge. It doesn't matter how the Spurs got here. At this point, I hate the thought of just letting him walk away, or paying someone with picks/players to take his contract. He's not walking away from that player option, so maybe the combination of his scoring and an expiring contract will give him some positive value. The problem is, if you don't extend him it's pretty much telling him that you're going to deal him the next year. A year of Demar DePression doesn't exactly sing to me either.
Spurs are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
Why would you extend DeRozan, especially at the max? If DeMar wants to lock himself into a good, moveable deal like LMA did, you take that. But you don't just give him money because you're afraid he'll walk. I mean, yeah, you trade him if he wants to go. Otherwise, he should stay. It seems like talking to him about his future plans makes the most sense. After last off-season, I'm sure he'd appreciate the candor. If staying is something he wants, working with him on a deal with a lower APY (like $46M-$50M/2) should be good value for a guy who is still a starting level wing who can fill it up. If he wants to go, then you find a team that fits and you send him there for the best package. It's not hard unless you try to do the opposite of what he wants or if you cave and try to max him.
I do think the idea that teams are better without DeRozan is not right, to the point that it hurts the credibility of on/offs. I mean, yeah, going from him to a superstar is a clear upgrade. But thinking he can be measured by the same criterion as Beli or Green or even Beal just doesn't make sense. LMA barely has a positive on-off over his four seasons with the Spurs. But he's been either the best or second-best player that entire time, and the team wouldn't've made the playoffs without him. No, Bertans or Poeltl aren't better than Aldridge. They didn't help the team win more when they were on the court, or any of that other . You just gotta use some common sense here. DeRozan has been the best or second-best player on teams that have made the playoffs six straight seasons. Yes, he contributes to winning. A bunch of those scrubs that had higher numbers with him over the years have gone on to other teams and proceeded to not do jack to get their teams into the post-season.
If +/- or on/off was all that mattered, the Spurs should have maxed out Bonner at some point.
DDR is decent value right now. He isn't anywhere close to bad enough to warrant just straight up dumping his salary.
totally agree...that said, in the light of staying with DDR long time, the point is just what you said and express what was the way things were handled by patfo before the Mills/Pau deals...aka you don't overpay for players. And in the perspective of a win it all team, DDR has enough skills to be a player worth the same or maybe just something more than Manu, but not for sure at Tim level. Its true that his best fit could be, in the next years, in a role a la Manu (from the bench so mantaining the team energy and talent level during all the game a high bar level)...the point is if he could be open to that and the consequences of that...in the perspective, that would mean limiting his minutes with positives being prolonging his career at a high level, so could be worth a 4 deal extension at a good price (15 to 20 millions x year?)...the bad for him would be that such deal (as undeservedly happened with Manu) could limit his chances at all stars games and could lower his general wiew as an all star player (but that's very debatable, considering that doing so he could become an important part of a team with better chances to compete again at elite level).
Why would you pay him huge money to come off the bench? I'd rather he be gone and pay a younger guy that money. Mentorship shouldn't cost that much.
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