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    Why would you pay him huge money to come off the bench? I'd rather he be gone and pay a younger guy that money. Mentorship shouldn't cost that much.
    bacause going forward he could be more valuable with less minutes and starting from the bench than as a starter...does the word Manu reminds you something?

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    He needs to prove he’s a franchise player by closing the game, playing the best defense, staying in the court by not getting T’d. He needs to hoisting 500 3 pointers a day. Let’s see how he comes out this year

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    Extending DDR beyond his current contract would be insane. It would be the act of a lunatic.

    Just saying.

    When DDR's current contract expires, buy him some Jack-in-the-Box to go, hand him the bag, and wave goodbye.

    Then spend that entire $27.7 million on SOMEBODY ELSE. Who can shoot 3s, and play defense. And who actually fits on the team.

    The sooner the Spurs return to fiscal sanity, the sooner they will be contenders again. It is not smart, or even sane, to try to run the Spurs as if the team were a Venezuelan oil company.

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    He is what he is and doesn't fit the team. Trade him.

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    People talk too much about guys fitting the team. The team only has one piece around which guys have to fit: LMA. No one should care about how guys fit around Murray, White, Walker, Samanic or Jackson until/unless they become good enough to warrant that talk. Obviously in the ideal situation where the Spurs have three young, productive and dynamic guards, a small-wing who can't shoot or play strong D makes little sense. But a world where the Spurs have the option of adding an elite three-and-D wing (or two), DeRozan is just better than any of the guards. , DeMar even fits fine if Walker develops to where he and White (or Murray if DJM proves able to shoot) can start with DeRozan and the Spurs sign someone like Aminu. , in those scenarios I posted where the Spurs trade for Bogdanovic and sign a PF, DeRozan fits just fine. Let the young guys learn to play off other guys, because it'll help them play off each other in the future.

    I get trading DeRozan because you're okay the risk of taking a step back and missing the playoffs. I don't get folks not acknowledging that real risk. None of those guys is better than DeRozan. Might they be in the future? Sure. But not yet. Two of them have injuries to worry about. The Spurs would have missed the playoffs without DMDR, and they could do so this year if he's traded just to get him off the team.

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    Why would you extend DeRozan, especially at the max? If DeMar wants to lock himself into a good, moveable deal like LMA did, you take that. But you don't just give him money because you're afraid he'll walk. I mean, yeah, you trade him if he wants to go. Otherwise, he should stay. It seems like talking to him about his future plans makes the most sense. After last off-season, I'm sure he'd appreciate the candor. If staying is something he wants, working with him on a deal with a lower APY (like $46M-$50M/2) should be good value for a guy who is still a starting level wing who can fill it up. If he wants to go, then you find a team that fits and you send him there for the best package. It's not hard unless you try to do the opposite of what he wants or if you cave and try to max him.

    I do think the idea that teams are better without DeRozan is not right, to the point that it hurts the credibility of on/offs. I mean, yeah, going from him to a superstar is a clear upgrade. But thinking he can be measured by the same criterion as Beli or Green or even Beal just doesn't make sense. LMA barely has a positive on-off over his four seasons with the Spurs. But he's been either the best or second-best player that entire time, and the team wouldn't've made the playoffs without him. No, Bertans or Poeltl aren't better than Aldridge. They didn't help the team win more when they were on the court, or any of that other . You just gotta use some common sense here. DeRozan has been the best or second-best player on teams that have made the playoffs six straight seasons. Yes, he contributes to winning. A bunch of those scrubs that had higher numbers with him over the years have gone on to other teams and proceeded to not do jack to get their teams into the post-season.


    Great post. Perfectly stated.

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    totally agree...that said, in the light of staying with DDR long time, the point is just what you said and express what was the way things were handled by patfo before the Mills/Pau deals...aka you don't overpay for players. And in the perspective of a win it all team, DDR has enough skills to be a player worth the same or maybe just something more than Manu, but not for sure at Tim level. Its true that his best fit could be, in the next years, in a role a la Manu (from the bench so mantaining the team energy and talent level during all the game a high bar level)...the point is if he could be open to that and the consequences of that...in the perspective, that would mean limiting his minutes with positives being prolonging his career at a high level, so could be worth a 4 deal extension at a good price (15 to 20 millions x year?)...the bad for him would be that such deal (as undeservedly happened with Manu) could limit his chances at all stars games and could lower his general wiew as an all star player (but that's very debatable, considering that doing so he could become an important part of a team with better chances to compete again at elite level).
    If Derozan is agreeable to 15-20 mil per year, I am okay to extend him for a few more years. He is still effective in getting points and we should not start to overpay the young players before they had show that they deserved it. LMA probably would be gone after this contract. If Derozan demands too much then we would have to hope that a combination of Murray and Walker will be able to fill his offence.

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    If Derozan is agreeable to 15-20 mil per year, I am okay to extend him for a few more years. He is still effective in getting points and we should not start to overpay the young players before they had show that they deserved it. LMA probably would be gone after this contract. If Derozan demands too much then we would have to hope that a combination of Murray and Walker will be able to fill his offence.
    Demar agreeing to 15-20 mil a year. He’s turning 30 and could be his last big contract. I just hope he’s busting his ass shooting 3’s and working in better defense. Because I’m sure he’s not leaving any money. Should Spurs pay him? Let him prove himself first.

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    If he cannot really shoot the 3, I struggle to see any team offering him a contract above 20 mil, maybe a desperate team will offer him 25mil

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    Why would you pay him huge money to come off the bench? I'd rather he be gone and pay a younger guy that money. Mentorship shouldn't cost that much.
    Thats why i said discount. Also he would start for the first two years until one of the young players take over. No young guy is going to get paid big money until possibly two years anyway. Paying DeMar big money now doesnt affect anything.

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    If he cannot really shoot the 3, I struggle to see any team offering him a contract above 20 mil, maybe a desperate team will offer him 25mil
    I've been saying this all along, I think he gets 72mil over 3 years. Bonus points if the spurs get him to agree that the extension starts a year early.

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    Thank GOD we never traded for Melo... Because some of u would be arguing to the death to keep him because of his talent and numbers...

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    I don't get it... If he wasn't on our team, there's NO WAY we would want him... We see how useless and empty his stats are... We have seen the chokes... He is the type of player we used to laugh at... Now we are like "maybe next year will be the year he finally gets it."
    Well Toronto has been saying that for YEARS and immediately won when he left

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    I’d rather have melo than derozan today. neither play any D but at least melo can shoot

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    People talk too much about guys fitting the team. The team only has one piece around which guys have to fit: LMA. No one should care about how guys fit around Murray, White, Walker, Samanic or Jackson until/unless they become good enough to warrant that talk. Obviously in the ideal situation where the Spurs have three young, productive and dynamic guards, a small-wing who can't shoot or play strong D makes little sense. But a world where the Spurs have the option of adding an elite three-and-D wing (or two), DeRozan is just better than any of the guards. , DeMar even fits fine if Walker develops to where he and White (or Murray if DJM proves able to shoot) can start with DeRozan and the Spurs sign someone like Aminu. , in those scenarios I posted where the Spurs trade for Bogdanovic and sign a PF, DeRozan fits just fine. Let the young guys learn to play off other guys, because it'll help them play off each other in the future.

    I get trading DeRozan because you're okay the risk of taking a step back and missing the playoffs. I don't get folks not acknowledging that real risk. None of those guys is better than DeRozan. Might they be in the future? Sure. But not yet. Two of them have injuries to worry about. The Spurs would have missed the playoffs without DMDR, and they could do so this year if he's traded just to get him off the team.
    THIS

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    Just trade him for whatever you can get. A future 1st and i'm happy.
    Exactly, I mean, that's what this whole enterprise is about ... your​ happiness.

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    DDR is not getting traded this summer, we need to get this out of our heads. There are three scenarios for next summer or a little earlier.
    1) He plays like he did this season , he realises that he won't find a better contract for the following season and opts in. In this scenario we need to trade him. Most probable.
    2) He plays lights out, we somehow go to the WCF and he opts out of his contract. In this case we say bye felicia. Less probable
    3) He plays like the first scenario or worse, Pop can't stand him any more and we attempt to trade him at the trade deadline in february. This scenario has a 50/50 chance imo.

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    I said it in the other thread. With GS and Houston in disarray, the West is as wide open as it has been in years...hold on to Demar and at best he's improved over last year and at worst you let him walk and free up cap space...besides you won't be getting fair trade value because no one is going to give you much for him anyway...also you have to factor in what he means to the team.... he seems like a good guy and having a guy like that around to mentor the rooks and the younger guys on the team is always a good thing..

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    If he's not traded next month, I believe going into the season both sides would be on the same page that next summer will be the end of him in a spurs uni..

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    Exactly, I mean, that's what this whole enterprise is about ... your​ happiness.
    Keepin' it real

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    If Aldridge turns into a 3 point shooter like Gasol over in Toronto, does DeMar fit better or is it better for DeMar to be the one to take more 3’s? The thing is, last year there were times we’d put up 120 points and STILL get beat. The scoring is there although he can improve on 3’s. I think its our defense that needs help. We need one goto defender that can score and we’ll be alright.

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    People talk too much about guys fitting the team. The team only has one piece around which guys have to fit: LMA. No one should care about how guys fit around Murray, White, Walker, Samanic or Jackson until/unless they become good enough to warrant that talk. Obviously in the ideal situation where the Spurs have three young, productive and dynamic guards, a small-wing who can't shoot or play strong D makes little sense. But a world where the Spurs have the option of adding an elite three-and-D wing (or two), DeRozan is just better than any of the guards. , DeMar even fits fine if Walker develops to where he and White (or Murray if DJM proves able to shoot) can start with DeRozan and the Spurs sign someone like Aminu. , in those scenarios I posted where the Spurs trade for Bogdanovic and sign a PF, DeRozan fits just fine. Let the young guys learn to play off other guys, because it'll help them play off each other in the future.

    I get trading DeRozan because you're okay the risk of taking a step back and missing the playoffs. I don't get folks not acknowledging that real risk. None of those guys is better than DeRozan. Might they be in the future? Sure. But not yet. Two of them have injuries to worry about. The Spurs would have missed the playoffs without DMDR, and they could do so this year if he's traded just to get him off the team.
    Agree mostly but SA without Kawhi/DeRozan made the playoffs. They are deeper than that team unless you think so many others in the West improved enough to knock SA out?

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    Agree mostly but SA without Kawhi/DeRozan made the playoffs. They are deeper than that team unless you think so many others in the West improved enough to knock SA out?
    They aren't deeper than that team, especially with LMA being older. Yes, though, the West did improve. Both Denver and LAL missed the playoffs that year.

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    They aren't deeper than that team, especially with LMA being older. Yes, though, the West did improve. Both Denver and LAL missed the playoffs that year.
    Dejounte should be at that level if not more. White wasn’t even in the rotation and he’s now a legit rotation player. Poeltl helps out across the board. Lonnie is going to be in the mix and Forbes is improved. Not to mention Rudy and/or a free agent addition?

    I don’t see, unless LMA takes a big step back, how this team is not better/deeper than that one.

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    If he cannot really shoot the 3, I struggle to see any team offering him a contract above 20 mil, maybe a desperate team will offer him 25mil
    It's ok...the Spurs will outbid themselves like they did with pau and give him a 3 year $65 mil extension.

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