Spurs 2019 offseason thread

[GreekSpursfan]

Good speech. Hopefully Pop coaches three more years and Bud times his departure right so he can come home and take the reins, tbh.

I'm afraid Bud is gonna spend at least a decade somewhere in Wisconsin.

[cjw]

That changes if he signs with a team next year. Small chance, but fingers crossed.

Spurs operating over the cap so this almost certainly doesn’t matter. Unless they go way under the cap by dealing Demar or are worried about being hard capped, this won’t come into play.

Nah it's either let him walk for nothing or get some role players in exchange. Sign and trade seems unlikely to me though

Why would they do a S&T until they’ve exhausted all other means of using cap space? They’re going to be under the cap if Bojan is leaving, so could instead go sign other guys instead.

I'd include the 2020 first rounder as well if Indy was deadset on it.

Completely agree if you need to sweeten the pot ... a protected first or a swap. I don’t think they’d want Bertans / Beli until they exhausted other FA options first. And having to get S&T done might make Bojan go a different direction vs. waiting.

[XDT76]

Aldridge has two seasons left, although the second one is not fully guaranteed. If he continues to play at an AS level, I can't imagine the Spurs not picking up the option for 2020-2021. DDR has a player option next summer.

You don't ask for the superMAX, you earn it, and All D isn't one of the triggers. DPOY, MVP, All-NBA team. That's it.

Thanks for the info, I mistaken All D as a qualifying criteria too. Anyway if Spurs intend to keep their current core of players, I see DJM, Poeltl, DW and LW combine to draw around 80 to 90Mil if they can all play up to potential leaving not much money for the other 9 players. Though the development of Luka and Kelson will determine who the Spurs will wanna keep down the road.

[ace3g]

[ZeusWillJudge]

I think that's pretty much what the market will bear. Just one more reason I don't think the Spurs are getting Mirotic for the MLE.

[ZeusWillJudge]

You've mentioned Morris more than once. I'd be more than happy with him being added to the roster. I'd still like to see one more big man for insurance. So two players have to be added to a full roster.

I dunno. The more I look at this, the more I think they're just going to add their two rookies, axe Pondexter and Metu, give their second 2-way to Weatherspoon, and wait for the trade deadline to decide on any changes.

They have two young guys who missed the season with injuries - that probably limits their value right now. They have White on a cheap contract, and was in the discussion for Most Improved - hard to let go of him without seeing if he gets even better this year. They have Forbes who accounted for almost 22% of the Spurs' made 3-pointers, and who started taking advantage of his improved size/strength in the second half of the season. Pop isn't trading Mills, and no one wants his bloated contract.

So that leaves Belli and Bertans, who accounted for almost 40% of the Spurs' made 3-pointers last season. To add an insurance big and a wing, they would have to give up both of those guys just to clear the roster spots. So if they did that, whoever they added would have to shoot 3's at a pretty high rate, or the Spurs would be terribly underpowered from outside.

To me, unless they can find a buyer for DDR's contract, the most likely thing right now is for them to add the rookies and cut the two bench implants, and ride this roster until the trade deadline.

[YGWHI]

DJ's extension is not going to happen just yet. Both parties have reason to wait

I just wonder if they will wait the whole offseason to make a decision

DJ was a 2016 first-round pick. They will have until the day before the new regular season starts to sign a long-term deal.

[Seventyniner]

I think that's pretty much what the market will bear. Just one more reason I don't think the Spurs are getting Mirotic for the MLE.

Probably not Mirotic, but when guys like Portis start taking up teams' cap space then some players will start being forced to take the MLE because of the domino effect.

To me, unless they can find a buyer for DDR's contract, the most likely thing right now is for them to add the rookies and cut the two bench implants, and ride this roster until the trade deadline.

Not use the MLE at all?

[Dverde]

Probably not Mirotic, but when guys like Portis start taking up teams' cap space then some players will start being forced to take the MLE because of the domino effect.



Not use the MLE at all?

I firmly believe Spurs already agreed in principle with someone for the MLE, but they have to wait until 12:01 to submit it to the league. Just like Marco was announced. I think it is one person as they already have a full roster. Rest of the roster spots will be rookies and two way d-leaguers. I think they already agreed on a Rudy Gay deal too.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Not use the MLE at all?

I don't know - I think they might wait until the trade deadline. It would give them a chance to evaluate the young guys, for one thing. Decide if they want to include one of them to sweeten a trade deal, or if they're enough to build a future on. I know that not spending the MLE right now seems unlikely - it did to me too. But a bunch of the guys I think they should really want are going to get more than that. And I don't think they want to spend the MLE and not get someone that really makes a difference.

With the two new first-round rookies, they've got what... 14 guys on the roster now? And I think they will have around $85M committed for next season after the new rookie contracts are added. If they add someone for the full MLE, they just won't have much of any cap flexibility for next season. They sure don't want to add a half-assed MLE player that will clog up cap room for next year. The question is, do you hire an MLE guy this year, or stand pat and have the space to hire a top-tier player next season?

The Spurs have a couple of guys (DDR and Mills) who can't be traded for value because of their bloated contracts. And they have a couple (Belli and Bertans) who they can't lose without picking up a known 3P threat as a replacement. Actually three of those, because they sure as can't lose Forbes without getting a 3P shooter, because he's 22% of their total 3P production. By mid-season, if the right guy is available, they might be ready to part with one of White, Murray, Walker to sweeten a deal. On the other hand, if those guys really mesh, they might not.

If all the crazy early spending dries up, and there's someone that will move the needle and will sign for the MLE? Then sure, they'll sign him. I just think that a lot of the guys we really want them to sign are just like wanting them to draft Rui at 19. It ain't gonna happen. And even though a guy like Baynes has some value as a big body in the middle, I really don't want his salary preventing the Spurs from getting a top-tier FA in '20. I don't think they want that either.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I firmly believe Spurs already agreed in principle with someone for the MLE, but they have to wait until 12:01 to submit it to the league. Just like Marco was announced. I think it is one person as they already have a full roster. Rest of the roster spots will be rookies and two way d-leaguers. I think they already agreed on a Rudy Gay deal too.

Maybe they have. But any player who's really worth a will be talking to more than one team. The MLE is good money, but not if you think you can get more. Anybody who has agreed to a deal this early will be pretty sure that he won't be in big demand when the bidding starts. The guys we're all excited about? I don't think they will be jumping this early to sign for MLE money.

BTW - I think the FA signing period opens up this Sunday at 6 or 7 Eastern Time. I could be wrong about that, but I that's what I remember.

[EricB]

I firmly believe Spurs already agreed in principle with someone for the MLE, but they have to wait until 12:01 to submit it to the league. Just like Marco was announced. I think it is one person as they already have a full roster. Rest of the roster spots will be rookies and two way d-leaguers. I think they already agreed on a Rudy Gay deal too.

Havent agreed with anyone yet so no.

[tbdog]

I firmly believe Spurs already agreed in principle with someone for the MLE, but they have to wait until 12:01 to submit it to the league. Just like Marco was announced. I think it is one person as they already have a full roster. Rest of the roster spots will be rookies and two way d-leaguers. I think they already agreed on a Rudy Gay deal too.

That's actually against the rules. But we know it does happen. Like, I Noah was linked to NY before free agency opened up and was offered a mammoth contract at 12:01.

[Dverde]

That's actually against the rules. But we know it does happen. Like, I Noah was linked to NY before free agency opened up and was offered a mammoth contract at 12:01.

It’s Lebron’s NBA now. So much shady stuff in the league. I couldn’t imagine the crazy illegal on Uncle Dennis’ phone right now.

[EricB]

It’s Lebron’s NBA now. So much shady stuff in the league. I couldn’t imagine the crazy illegal on Uncle Dennis’ phone right now.

Orher than Jerry West and him have been talking for a year?

[Mitch Cumsteen]

If all the crazy early spending dries up, and there's someone that will move the needle and will sign for the MLE? Then sure, they'll sign him. I just think that a lot of the guys we really want them to sign are just like wanting them to draft Rui at 19. It ain't gonna happen. And even though a guy like Baynes has some value as a big body in the middle, I really don't want his salary preventing the Spurs from getting a top-tier FA in '20. I don't think they want that either.

This offseason is going to be 2016 all over again. The big dominos will fall and then the teams that are left out of the Kyrie, Kawhi, Durant, Butler, Kemba, etc. sweepstakes who still have cap will panic and end up overspending on terrible players. Once everybody is out of cap space, there will be bargains to be had. I mean, somebody is actually going to spend >$16 million per year on 14 and 8 Bobby Portis with his negative defensive and offensive box score +/-, when the most notable thing he has ever done in his career is punch out Nikola Mirotic. Crazy pills.

[TD 21]

The Milutinov news would seem to point to their spending at least the majority of the MLE elsewhere, but logic and the Spurs have rarely intersected in recent years.

I've settled on the ideal, realistic off season being re-signing Gay, creating cap space or working a sign and trade (trade Bertans, Belinelli and if needed, a lottery protected 1st into cap space elsewhere) to acquire Bogdanovic, then using the MLE on JaMychal Green . . .

Starters: Green, Bogdanovic, Aldridge, DeRozan, Murray

Bench: Gay, White, Forbes, Poeltl, Mills

Deep bench/G-League: Walker, Center (for minimum), Metu, Samanic, Johnson

[Mugen]

The Milutinov news would seem to point to their spending at least the majority of the MLE elsewhere, but logic and the Spurs have rarely intersected in recent years.

I've settled on the ideal, realistic off season being re-signing Gay, creating cap space or working a sign and trade (trade Bertans, Belinelli and if needed, a lottery protected 1st into cap space elsewhere) to acquire Bogdanovic, then using the MLE on JaMychal Green . . .

Starters: Green, Bogdanovic, Aldridge, DeRozan, Murray

Bench: Gay, White, Forbes, Poeltl, Mills

Deep bench/G-League: Walker, Center (for minimum), Metu, Samanic, Johnson

That'd be like an A+++ summer for even a competent organization that knew how to navigate free agency.....

For RC and Pop, that's like asking for the moon and beyond

It's probably going to be re-sign Gay and then bring in Quincy/Dante 2.0 tbh. I could see one Bertans being moved but that's about it.

[NASpurs]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2...nference-team/

San Antonio Spurs

Needs: Wing scoring and depth, shooting, frontcourt depth

Potential fits: Rudy Gay, Jeff Green, Justin Anderson, Jarell Martin, Trey Lyles

This summer figures to be a lot smoother for the Spurs after last year's chaos. There's no disgruntled superstar to trade, and they don't have any cap space, so they'll be working to add some depth where they can.

[Degoat]

I honestly don’t know who the spurs should target in FA, I’d say a big wing like demarre carrol but then that would take minutes away from Lonnie Walker probably... a third big would be okay I guess but Aldridge, Jakob will get most of minutes and Rudy & Davis will play the small ball 4 most of the time too

[MoSpur02]

https://twitter.com/siriusxmnba/stat...757058560?s=21

[MoSpur02]

https://twitter.com/siriusxmnba/stat...757058560?s=21

Rudy Gay talking about his upcoming free agency

[Dejounte]

Rudy Gay talking about his upcoming free agency

It sounds like it isnt a sure thing he comes back

[BackHome]

I would be shocked if he wasn’t signed.

[Leetonidas]

The way he said "really?" and started laughing made it seem like he isn't planning on leaving SA imo.