San Antonio's First Domino: Should The Spurs Give DeMar DeRozan A Contract Extension?

[DeadlyDynasty]

max extension

[SAGirl]

I think first the ball is on Derozan court as he has a player option. Then it depends on if the Spurs are ready for "the Process" or not. Some of us argue they should have gone the Process way as soon as they knew Leonard was on his way out and couldn't be persuaded. Unfortunately that's not what they did. They chose to want to remain compe ive and I don't think they are about to switch gears. Meaning, should somebody want to trade an Anthony Davis for Derozan they would do it but short of that they were standing put. As to the extension I suspect they wait until the last moment to make up their minds (like they did with Aldridge) to take into account the development of their young prospects and their potential contracts into effect as well as any possible FA they think they can land.

[JeffDuncan]

I don't get it...

They are the ones who don't get it. You've got it, perfectly.

If he wasn't on our team, there's NO WAY we would want him...

Absolutely right, of course.

DDR is not going anyplace until his contract expires. The reasons are simple.

1) He wants the $27.7 million/year we stupidly agreed to pay him.

2) No other team is stupid enough to give us that much value for him, in a trade. Because he is not worth it.

We are stuck with DDR, for the duration of his contract. And that's the good outcome.

The bad outcome would be if PATFO does trade him, because they would have to go further underwater to do it. Which would mean even more of a financial loss.

Does anybody, at this point, trust PATFO to make a financially sensible trade, where the Spurs come out ahead on the money? I sure don't.

Add together the money being paid to Mills and to DDR next season. It is 12.5 + 27.7, which is over FORTY MILLION DOLLARS, tied up in just those two marginal characters.

That's why we can't have anything good.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I just don't understand how you trade away arguably the best player in the league and still end up in this dilemma, just so you can sell more regular season tickets and a 7th seed to a fanbase that wouldn't have questioned your moves regardless.....

And as far as Demar goes, I like how the narrative around him was he was always adding something new to his game every summer....that is everything except a 3 pointer and average defense.....

The team was built around Kawhi's skill set. It is going to take more than one season to adjust. As far as the fan base not questioning, I am a season ticket holder and there were more empty seats last year than I have ever seen and it wasn't close. That was with a team that was still a playoff team. It was somewhat depressing going to some of the games. If they decided to just tank it would have hit them hard in the pocket which is something I don't believe a small market team like the Spurs can take.

[Mugen]

The team was built around Kawhi's skill set. It is going to take more than one season to adjust. As far as the fan base not questioning, I am a season ticket holder and there were more empty seats last year than I have ever seen and it wasn't close. That was with a team that was still a playoff team. It was somewhat depressing going to some of the games. If they decided to just tank it would have hit them hard in the pocket which is something I don't believe a small market team like the Spurs can take.

Fair points tbh but, man, that trade was rough. Regardless of what Nephew did, deciding on the Raps haul was just a huge misstep by the FO that will probably set them back at least 5-10 years.

[duncan2k5]

I hate to hear the narrative that the team was built around Kawhi... How??? The FO would have put that team together even if Kawhi wasn't as good as he was... Kawhi was just so good that he makes any roster a contender

[Chinook]

Fair points tbh but, man, that trade was rough. Regardless of what Nephew did, deciding on the Raps haul was just a huge misstep by the FO that will probably set them back at least 5-10 years.

Eh, that's not really justifiable. The packages were . The best path forward I can think of would have been Harris and 13 for Leonard then flipping Harris for the same package Philly gave LAC for him. I'm not sure that there's any piece there that is a bona fide core piece. Sure, there are fantasy scenarios like Harris, Beverly, 12 and 13 for Leonard and Mills that could have set the team up for a quick turnaround. In that same vein, we talked about deals similar to the NOP package but without the picks and them rerouting some of that LAL junk for a decent haul. But the reports suggest that everyone held back. I can totally understand why PATFO read DeRozan, Poeltl and a pick as being the best deal at the time.

Whether they should have even made the trade is a different matter. Maybe they should have played hardball with the league and kept Kawhi until someone upped their offer. Maybe they should have done whatever it took to keep Leonard, including firing staff and moving on from players. Maybe they should have just decided to run it back anyway, made the rumored trade for that third star and made a serious run at a sixth le before risking Kawhi walking. Without being in the locker room, I think there are good arguments for all of those ideas. But I think that's different than saying the Spurs chose the wrong trade out of the ones offered.

[Mugen]

Eh, that's not really justifiable. The packages were . The best path forward I can think of would have been Harris and 13 for Leonard then flipping Harris for the same package Philly gave LAC for him. I'm not sure that there's any piece there that is a bona fide core piece. Sure, there are fantasy scenarios like Harris, Beverly, 12 and 13 for Leonard and Mills that could have set the team up for a quick turnaround. In that same vein, we talked about deals similar to the NOP package but without the picks and them rerouting some of that LAL junk for a decent haul. But the reports suggest that everyone held back. I can totally understand why PATFO read DeRozan, Poeltl and a pick as being the best deal at the time.

Whether they should have even made the trade is a different matter. Maybe they should have played hardball with the league and kept Kawhi until someone upped their offer. Maybe they should have done whatever it took to keep Leonard, including firing staff and moving on from players. Maybe they should have just decided to run it back anyway, made the rumored trade for that third star and made a serious run at a sixth le before risking Kawhi walking. Without being in the locker room, I think there are good arguments for all of those ideas. But I think that's different than saying the Spurs chose the wrong trade out of the ones offered.

Yeah, my argument isn't that the Spurs decided on the wrong trade (though the Clippers offer would have been much better in hindsight) but that they decided to trade him at all like you said. Couldn't have predicted the Warriors falling apart at the end of the playoffs but you could have probably predicted that there was a pretty good chance they'd be stuck in a Derozan dilemma like they are now tbh.

[$pursDynasty]

I wouldn't just give him away, he has talent it would either have to be for a good up and coming but cost effective talent, OR if we could package that albatross of the Patty Mills deal with it. Otherwise as stated before let him play it out and see. I don't see him as a max guy and giving max contracts to non max guys is bad business.

[TheCerebral1]

NO. This isn't the face of the franchise. We don't need ball hogging, no defense, needs 30 shots to get 30 points, bums.

[MaNu4Tres]

I think first the ball is on Derozan court as he has a player option. Then it depends on if the Spurs are ready for "the Process" or not. Some of us argue they should have gone the Process way as soon as they knew Leonard was on his way out and couldn't be persuaded. Unfortunately that's not what they did. They chose to want to remain compe ive and I don't think they are about to switch gears. Meaning, should somebody want to trade an Anthony Davis for Derozan they would do it but short of that they were standing put. As to the extension I suspect they wait until the last moment to make up their minds (like they did with Aldridge) to take into account the development of their young prospects and their potential contracts into effect as well as any possible FA they think they can land.

Help me out here. What makes you think losing DeMar would send the Spurs into the deep lottery, or on a downward spiral in the direction of " The Process"?

What makes him such a dynamic game changer?

I see him as an empty stats Milwaukee Richard Jefferson. A taller Lou Williams w out the 3 ball. A prime Jamal Crawford without a 3 ball.

Why do Spurs fans think so highly.of him?

I. Dont. Get. It.

You can point to his high usage 20/6 like when RJ got 20/5 all you want. I. Dont. See. It.

The guy is only effective with the ball I'm his hands, and in the half-court ( against any team w a brain) he resorts to twirling/spinning back downs into the post for a 15 ft fade-away after the D goes under the PnR.

He is a bad fit with many players offensively bc of his inability to play off the ball. And hes a bad team defender, with minimal intangibles that are conducive to winning basketball.

Due to the heaps of young talent the Spurs have at his position, I don't think the Spurs would miss a beat without him.

[Dennis the Menace]

Help me out here. What makes you think losing DeMar would send the Spurs into the deep lottery, or on a downward spiral in the direction of " The Process"?

What makes him such a dynamic game changer?

I see him as an empty stats Milwaulee Richard Jefferson...a taller Lou William's w out the 3 ball.

A prime Jamal Crawford without a 3 ball.

Why do Spurs fans think so highly.of him?

I. Dont. Get. It.

1) He will go full depressed mode and be even more worthless if the overwhelming Spurs fans turned on him
2) Majority of people actually know he’s an empty stats, net negative player not worth a max contract. Fans say good things about him so that other teams don’t realize his lack of talent. Hence, it’s all a ploy to keep his trade value up while internally knowing he has major flaws

[Legacy]

His heart is still broken from having to leave Toronto.

[cutewizard]

In Pop we trust

[cutewizard]

I want a wet pussy rt now

[Legacy]

#2 would never deserve anything like this from the city of SA...



that's for sure....

[Legacy]

I want a wet pussy rt now

You're a girl, though... right...?

[Legacy]

... for sure SURE!!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

You're a girl, though... right...?

I’m pretty sure it’s a random word generating spam bot.

[duncan2k5]

Help me out here. What makes you think losing DeMar would send the Spurs into the deep lottery, or on a downward spiral in the direction of " The Process"?

What makes him such a dynamic game changer?

I see him as an empty stats Milwaukee Richard Jefferson. A taller Lou Williams w out the 3 ball. A prime Jamal Crawford without a 3 ball.

Why do Spurs fans think so highly.of him?

I. Dont. Get. It.

You can point to his high usage 20/6 like when RJ got 20/5 all you want. I. Dont. See. It.

The guy is only effective with the ball I'm his hands, and in the half-court ( against any team w a brain) he resorts to twirling/spinning back downs into the post for a 15 ft fade-away after the D goes under the PnR.

He is a bad fit with many players offensively bc of his inability to play off the ball. And hes a bad team defender, with minimal intangibles that are conducive to winning basketball.

Due to the heaps of young talent the Spurs have at his position, I don't think the Spurs would miss a beat without him.

Finally someone with common sense

[EasyMoney]

Demar deserves the 5 year max.


Marco Belinelli also deserves one max deal for his loyalty to the spurs. #loyaltycontract

[look_at_g_shred]

Finally someone with common sense

Demar does suck, and he's a proven net negative player, but what's the sense in ing about it 24/7? PATFO are going to do what they want. Get used to it because he's here for the short term.

[DPG21920]

Looks like CHA is losing Kemba. No idea what CHA is doing here. They are going to suck. Probably means they wouldn’t want DeRozan possibly now either?

[GreekSpursfan]

Looks like CHA is losing Kemba. No idea what CHA is doing here. They are going to suck. Probably means they wouldn’t want DeRozan possibly now either?

MJ finally realising that this treadmill went too long and goes hinkie mode or he still remains dumb as and we can take advantage of him and somehow dump DDR there. I would try it tbh.

[SAGirl]

Help me out here. What makes you think losing DeMar would send the Spurs into the deep lottery, or on a downward spiral in the direction of " The Process"?

What makes him such a dynamic game changer?

I see him as an empty stats Milwaukee Richard Jefferson. A taller Lou Williams w out the 3 ball. A prime Jamal Crawford without a 3 ball.

Why do Spurs fans think so highly.of him?

I. Dont. Get. It.

You can point to his high usage 20/6 like when RJ got 20/5 all you want. I. Dont. See. It.

The guy is only effective with the ball I'm his hands, and in the half-court ( against any team w a brain) he resorts to twirling/spinning back downs into the post for a 15 ft fade-away after the D goes under the PnR.

He is a bad fit with many players offensively bc of his inability to play off the ball. And hes a bad team defender, with minimal intangibles that are conducive to winning basketball.

Due to the heaps of young talent the Spurs have at his position, I don't think the Spurs would miss a beat without him.

I am not disputing any of that but rather projecting what the Spurs will do based on their past actions and past preference, read again. They were the ones who chose a package centered on Derozan bc they valued him highly. For me the process is defined as more than tanking. It’s actually prioritizing the acquisition and development of young talent with the intention of finding one or two sufficiently spectacular talents to build around. They have some young talent through luck and smart drafting but it remains to be seen if they are transcendent yet, which I don’t mind. But if you have some young talent you think it’s transcendent you don’t bury them behind 50, Derozan. Belli, etc.