Spurs 2019 offseason thread

[kobyz]

Totally agree. I’d take Murray over Russ from this point forward totally ignoring the contracts . Contracts only make it more of a one sided argument.


Shooting from different distances (career for Murray as he was hurt and gives bigger sample size, most recent season for Russ):
Murray Westbrook
0-3 ft 58.2% 65.0%
3-10 ft 38.2% 20.8%
10-16 ft 33.1% 33.3%
16+ 2pt 34.8% 35.8%
3pt 31.6% 30.8%

So while Murray is less effective at the rim, he’s about the same from every other range and not a trainwreck on short twos like Russ is. Murray’s numbers will only trend up as he keeps getting coached, and once Westbrook’s athleticism is sapped you end up with Murray’s shooting from the past few years if not worse.

Usage and attention sucked in from defense should be adjusted for too. But Russ has PG13 on the floor whereas Dejounte has like eight games of Kawhi.


Murray’s turnover rate is really high, but that’s not uncommon for a young PG. Westbrook’s assist rate is high but still turns over ball a ton.


Rebound rates are very similar, though Westbrook’s teammates box out for him to statpad.


And we haven’t even talked about defense yet. Night and day.

I think it's pathetic for spurs fans to refuse getting Russ by not willing to give up freaking IB, IB is so overated and has so much false hype, and the underestimate of Russ went too far, the talent is still there and he just need a well coach team in order to perform high level, still have in him at least 2-3 prime years, Spurs fans seems, ironically, looking not from their own stand point which should be how pato can form the most entertaining and best le chance team instead of looking for worrying about the owner money or buying pato vanilla about a plan...

[cjw]

I think it's pathetic for spurs fans to refuse getting Russ by not willing to give up freaking IB, IB is so overated and has so much false hype, and the underestimate of Russ went too far, the talent is still there and he just need a well coach team in order to perform high level, still have in him at least 2-3 prime years, Spurs fans seems, ironically, looking not from their own stand point which should be how pato can form the most entertaining and best le chance team instead of looking for worrying about the owner money or buying pato vanilla about a plan...

What you said is true by flipping Westbrook and Murray around. It’s not giving up Murray for Westbrook, it’s Demar and Murray.

I can’t believe you still post here. You’re probably the worst on the board who isn’t a troll.

[Dex]

Some rumbling about Westbrook to Houston...but I don't see the Rockets having the assets.

For one, they'd have to convince OKC to take on Paul's horrible contract...and I'm pretty sure CP3 isn't going to be too keen on getting traded to a rebuilding team, so they'd have to worry about his whiny ass throwing a fit. They would have to attach picks, but all they have are some ty 2nd rounders until 2023, and the most they could offer is 2023 and 2025 first rounders. Presti can't be that stupid...can he?

It would be fun to see Harden and Russ fighting over the ball again, though.

[Seventyniner]

It would be hilarious if the Rockets just abandon their whole offensive philosophy in a knee-jerk reactionary move like this. Westbrook shoots low 30s from 3 at best. Whenever Harden has the ball, which is gonna be most of the damn time, defenders will just sag off Westbrook and play 5 on 4.

[timtonymanu]

I feel like the warriors have made some sneaky good moves but will see they’ve been pretty bad at evaluating good young players

People are underrating them while overrating the Lakers, tbh

[Dex]

It would be hilarious if the Rockets just abandon their whole offensive philosophy in a knee-jerk reactionary move like this. Westbrook shoots low 30s from 3 at best. Whenever Harden has the ball, which is gonna be most of the damn time, defenders will just sag off Westbrook and play 5 on 4.

Agreed. Harden is still going to want to dribble-dribble-dribble to a tune that would make Parker blush, which would relegate Westbrook to hanging out on the perimeter and chucking threes.

Good luck with that.

[ironman2886]

Is there a way that Westbrook and Harden can somehow have their bodies s ched together(Harden left/Westbrook right) so that they can both handle the ball at the same time?

[dubross]

Dwight Howard anyone?!? ��

[kobyz]

What you said is true by flipping Westbrook and Murray around. It’s not giving up Murray for Westbrook, it’s Demar and Murray.

I can’t believe you still post here. You’re probably the worst on the board who isn’t a troll.

Not at all, you can make the trade without DDR

http://tradenba.com/trades/SkO6qkW-B
in 30 days you can replace Jacob with Luka

Russell Westbrook/Derrick White
DeMar DeRozan/Quinndary Weatherspoon
DeMarre Carroll/Keldon Johnson
Marcus Morris/Rudy Gay/Ben Moore
LaMarcus Aldridge/Jakob Poeltl(Semanic)

[Dex]

Laker-bound, I'm sure.

[Chillen]

Is there a way that Westbrook and Harden can somehow have their bodies s ched together(Harden left/Westbrook right) so that they can both handle the ball at the same time?

Pretty much, love that movie btw it's a classic. The ending is brilliant.

[ironman2886]

Pretty much, love that movie btw it's a classic. The ending is brilliant.

I really liked the movie, but I loved seeing Eva Mendes in a swimsuit more.

[ace3g]

[ace3g]

[Mr. Body]

Laker-bound, I'm sure.

I'm not sure the Lakers realize they need shooters.

[TD 21]

Grant is a nice pickup for the Nuggets. 3 (if last season wasn't a fluke) and D big wing was one of their two needs, along with perimeter star.

At this James is "moving to PG" news. Reminds me of D'Antoni inexplicably being lauded for "moving Harden to PG" a few years back . . . as if anything was/is going to change other than some irrelevant label. They always were de facto PG's on offense and wings on defense.

Once S bag spurned them, Morris should have become priority number one. James, Kuzma and Dudley, comprise their big wings. Not a S bag or Antetokounmpo defender in the bunch (Davis probably has to be the latter). They better hope they land Iguodala and he more or less maintains because James can't pull double duty, in a series as the lone star play maker and primary S bag defender, at this point.

[palangi]

I think it's pathetic for spurs fans to refuse getting Russ by not willing to give up freaking IB, IB is so overated and has so much false hype, and the underestimate of Russ went too far, the talent is still there and he just need a well coach team in order to perform high level, still have in him at least 2-3 prime years, Spurs fans seems, ironically, looking not from their own stand point which should be how pato can form the most entertaining and best le chance team instead of looking for worrying about the owner money or buying pato vanilla about a plan...

I think it's pathetic to see grown men call other grown men names!

[MoSpur02]

Apparently Shaun Livingston is being shopped

[tonight...you]

Apparently Shaun Livingston is being shopped

I thought he was one step out the door anyways.
Like retirement ready.

[Joseph Kony]

I think it's pathetic for spurs fans to refuse getting Russ by not willing to give up freaking IB, IB is so overated and has so much false hype, and the underestimate of Russ went too far, the talent is still there and he just need a well coach team in order to perform high level, still have in him at least 2-3 prime years, Spurs fans seems, ironically, looking not from their own stand point which should be how pato can form the most entertaining and best le chance team instead of looking for worrying about the owner money or buying pato vanilla about a plan...

shut up got

[ace3g]

[Mr. Body]

Who the cares if he reunited with his college coach earlier in the day?

[Nivek_ogre]

Who the cares if he reunited with his college coach earlier in the day?

Lol. Was thinking the same thing

[ace3g]

[Big P]

I bet Livingston goes back to the Clips or to the lakers.