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This is franchise altering, at least for this upcoming season. Pop doesn't have many years left. I feel bad for him more than anything. He's still the same honorable guy he's always been but he keeps getting ed over by pieces of s.
What they're trying/doing is cynical, madness. I mean, w/ the personnel they have, the Knicks don’t need another ing PF that's entering his 30s. It really does not make sense. They got Morris*, Portis and Ellington which are players that will demand playing time. Are they not thinking in their young talents? What kind of impact that will have on those players which need to develop? .
This is franchise altering, at least for this upcoming season. Pop doesn't have many years left. I feel bad for him more than anything. He's still the same honorable guy he's always been but he keeps getting ed over by pieces of s.
I kind of disagree. He is definitely more versatile. He had his best year on a Boston team that underachieved and Gay at solely the PF position (if a team already had a wing) is at least as good as Marcus Morris at the PF spot. Morris has quicker feet and can gaurd 3's more but I think there is a reason Gay's market value was around $15-16M while Morris only had the Spurs MLE offer when he was trying to "get paid". A lot of that probably had to do with his character issue that people were referring to but if you can get Marcus at $9.3M/yr Spurs had to do it.
In that situation, do you really think the Wizards and Carroll are all going to agree to wait around for all the moving parts to get into place?
FAs could be giving up other offers while other teams could be giving up other deals in the interim, and they would be the ones getting ed if something fell through with Morris.
The situation sucks, but asking one team or FA to agree to conditions on the decision of another FA opens a pandora's box that most free agents aren't going to want to explore.
Agree on that but while this is a major loophole and one that has to be fixed the players association should be on these type of things like white on rice cause every player should have an option and even the right to change their mind but when an asset was given up by ownership that changes the dynamics of the situation entirely. The Ayers aren't owned there contracts are and I lost an asset because of a Ayer renegging the whole deal was predicted on bertans it's not like it was a separate deal so that's why I'm saying league/players association should step in. It's not a good look. If it was just a changing of the mind fine you have that right but I should lose an asset from my team as an owner because you aren't true to your word.
There are people who will laugh at that, but it's true.
What would happen if this same situation took place but the team had traded someone with a lot more clout or presence someone that could really have hurt the spurs badly a star changing my profits/teams value as an owner. Then what???
Oubre's qualifying offer is 4.5 million I think. Wonder if the spurs can offer 2 years at full MLE with a player option for year 2
Zaza is needed for multiple reasons now or should i say targets. Pop, i know you won't look good if you do it but its time to play their game.
With Gay you never know how many games you'll get with him and the older he gets the more that achilles injury will affect his game and he was horrible in the playoffs last season.
This is kinda worse than Jordan and mavs issue because they agreed before you could actually physically sign. This is right and the end of the market and we have traded someone away for this to happen.
The league invites this with the moratorium. It’s not respected (see, Kyrie and Kemba). Should just have free agency start July 1.
Its not franchise altering but i 100% agree with the rest.
True but with Morris you'll get one year of him learning and then leaving next year. Gay is proven to a great match with the Spurs besides his health concerns.
How is Jonas Jerebko?
I keep saying - Oubre is a restricted free agent. Any offer he receives, the Suns have the option to match. There is zero chance that the Spurs can sign him outright. It can't happen.
The ONLY chance would be a sign and trade, and Oubre would pretty much have to be pushing for that to happen. And to give him the kind of salary it would take would pretty much require trading Mills' and Belli's contracts. That sounds great for us, but I can't see any reason why the Suns would be interested. If... IF... Oubre was really pushing to get out of Phoenix, the Suns might listen to deals just to keep from losing him for nothing next year.
Now that the Suns have signed Rubio, there's really no leverage on them. The chance of getting him now is pretty close to zero. Forget about it.
This what I said in the thread from Shams about Morris signing
“Wonder how Pop handles the first time he drops into “about this life””
Well Pop we are waiting
And this went down faster than even I thought it would
Would love for a reporter to ask Dejounte his thoughts especially sharing the same agency. The people want him to be the next Parker. Well step up and be the leader, we all want it
I think Murray needs to drop Klutch if he wants to show he might want to stay with the Spurs, even a small sign of solidarity. My guess is R.C. and Pop won't deal with the agency again, especially by past behavior.
That would be an instantaneous match from the Suns. I'm sure Oubre is wanting close to 20 mil and the Suns are wanting to match somewhere in the 14-16 range. Way out of MLE type of money. I would prefer Oubre to Morris but I don't see it happening.
He wouldn't sign that offer. And even if he did PHX would gladly match since it is below his realistic market value. The only way to get him is if PHX would agree to a sign and trade...Which is unlikely based on what we would be willing to offer and on what they would be willing to take. No matter how stupid their front office is, I refuse to believe that they are that stupid.
But seriously though, hopefully this got has a career ender if he signs with the Knicks.
Are you kidding? Pop will run to him at half court after the game to give him one of his Joe Biden groping hugs.
Just signing with the Knicks is usually a career ender.
it's sad how true this is
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