Woj: Marcus Morris Reneging on Agreement with Spurs?

[K...]

LMAO. It was a $1.6M qualifying offer. Everyone knew there would be an offer sheet north of that, so why even bring it up.

Now, stop being a pussy and show us the quote where I equated the Simmons and Morris situations. You said it minutes ago, so I know you can find it.

Or of curiosity, how much would you have paid j Simms?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Yet he was supposed to get a big payday this summer...

If he's that impressed by a little relatively more guaranteed, make the guaranteed number much larger that he'd have to turn down. Yes, it rewards shadiness, but if we're looking at a two year window until Pop retires and the team is significantly overhauled, it's not the worst thing.

It's not the worst thing, but it is a damn shame. Rudy can't handle the full load of starter's minutes for a full season. Morris would have been a really nice piece to allow Pop to platoon minutes, and to be a little more creative with situational lineups. He would have been a really good piece for this squad, and it would have been fun to watch what Pop did with it. I'm not angry about it, after about the first 10 minutes. But it's still disappointing.

This year the lion's share of free cap space went to the super big names. I think Morris is banking on being able to bank a bigger slice for himself next season, when the FA class isn't so star-studded. I'm guessing, but it looks like that's what the second year player option was about. And getting a $15M one year deal from the Knicks is even better.

[JADG79]

Question - assuming this goes down and Morris goes to NY....what kind of player do you think the Spurs could get for Bryn/Marco/1st rounder? Somebody at the level of Morris or better?

Do you think they even go that route since they seem to love Forbes?

Guessing it's just Lyles and then salary dump Beli somewhere...

there is no trade market for SF/PF, we will give two Guards for a Forwards, the other team need to have multiples forwards to trade for guards and within same range.

Without Bertans we don’t the leverage to trade for a Forward right now.

The only way is a free agent or an European player.

[RD2191]

Just find a ing competent defender. Who gives a if he can shoot? How hard can that possibly be?

[Mr. Body]

Just find a ing component defender. Who gives a if he can shoot? How hard can that possibly be?

Kyle Anderson!
Kyle Anderson!
Kyle Anderson!

You heard it here, first, RD2191 wants Kyle Anderson.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm all for Ben Moore and Quindarry to be on the big squad. Get rid of Beli/Forbes/Mills

[ZeusWillJudge]

Or of curiosity, how much would you have paid j Simms?

I thought about him just about like I thought about Boban. Someone else is going to pay him a lot more than I would be willing to - just let him go.

Honestly, I never thought that much about how much to give him. I felt so certain that he wasn't going to be on the roster. He was definitely worth more than $1.6M per, though - that's just the standard min QO offering. The point, in my mind anyway, is that the Spurs weren't going to match anything even like $6M per. The market was crazy, and Simmons was riding high on his playoff performance. We all knew he was going to get paid.

But you asked me a direct question, so I'll give a direct answer. In that market, he was probably actually worth something around $4.5M per. And IF he was worth one year, he was probably worth 3, with the third not fully guaranteed. So maybe 3/$14 with the third year not fully guaranteed. And everyone, even Manny, knew that he was going to get more than that. AND that the Spurs weren't going to match the offer(s) he would eventually get - which they shouldn't have. He was going to get overpaid, especially because of the playoffs. Move on, and let whoever overpay him.

[RD2191]

Kyle Anderson!
Kyle Anderson!
Kyle Anderson!

You heard it here, first, RD2191 wants Kyle Anderson.

I wouldn't mind him right now tbh

[cjw]

LMAO. It was a $1.6M qualifying offer. Everyone knew there would be an offer sheet north of that, so why even bring it up.

Now, stop being a pussy and show us the quote where I equated the Simmons and Morris situations. You said it minutes ago, so I know you can find it.

Bullock = agreed to something, team found a technicality and is trying to reneg

Simmons = was under contract and couldn’t find an offer sheet until he was unrestricted. RFA is a tool that teams use all the time to pay those guys under market value. See what the Rockets tried doing with Parsons

Also, there wasn’t an offer sheet north of $1.6mm. There were offers north of it, but people didn’t want to lock up cap space while Spurs ed around for 72 hours.

Yes, it was a ty move to make that cost Simmons money, and can earn a bad rep if you do it too often. But why give up control over him if not required? If nothing materialized and space dried up, they could have kept him for pennies.

Wasn’t his contract also going to have the poison pill if the Spurs matched because of Early Bird rights?

[Mr. Body]

I wouldn't mind him right now tbh

I think he fits the team much better now.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I'm all for Ben Moore and Quindarry to be on the big squad. Get rid of Beli/Forbes/Mills

I like Ben Moore, and I hope he catches with some team. TIMVP was pretty negative about him ever really being an NBA level player.

I think Quinn will benefit a lot more from a year in Austin, than scattered minutes here. He's on a 2-way, so he'll get looked at against NBA compe ion. If he's up to it, they might shuffle to bring him up. But give him a full season of regular minutes in Austin, and I think he's here next year, and playing with confidence.

[r0drig0lac]

I'm all for Ben Moore and Quindarry to be on the big squad. Get rid of Beli/Forbes/Mills

[look_at_g_shred]

Kyle Anderson? Vomit bomb.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Also, there wasn’t an offer sheet north of $1.6mm. There were offers north of it, but people didn’t want to lock up cap space while Spurs ed around for 72 hours.

There was a qualifying offer from the Spurs for $1.6M. That's how a player gets to be restricted. I could go pull the news stories on it, but really.

If another team had made him an offer, it would have had to be in the form of an offer sheet, and the Spurs would have had the right to match. That's how RFA works. None were ever reported. Many teams are reluctant to screw with restricted agents, because of the likelihood of getting their offer matched. In the early part of that FA period, players were being snatched up quickly. A team couldn't afford to waste the days, waiting to see if their offer would be matched. That much is just simple free agency mechanics.

The Spurs didn't do anything wrong, and I never said they did - no matter how much some people want to twist my words. I said I didn't like the way they handled it. I don't like asparagus, and I don't like cats. But I don't equate the two.

Hope that clears everything up, cuz I'm really tired of the subject.

[SAGirl]

Hanga did complain about the Spurs backing out of a deal. He was in San Antonio for his physical and waiting to sign when apparently the Spurs pivoted in a different direction and he took his offer in Europe. Karma.

But in reality it seems that until a contract is signed parties are allowed to change their minds in this system.

[cjw]

There was a qualifying offer from the Spurs for $1.6M. That's how a player gets to be restricted. I could go pull the news stories on it, but really.

If another team had made him an offer, it would have had to be in the form of an offer sheet, and the Spurs would have had the right to match. That's how RFA works. None were ever reported. Many teams are reluctant to screw with restricted agents, because of the likelihood of getting their offer matched. In the early part of that FA period, players were being snatched up quickly. A team couldn't afford to waste the days, waiting to see if their offer would be matched. That much is just simple free agency mechanics.

The Spurs didn't do anything wrong, and I never said they did - no matter how much some people want to twist my words. I said I didn't like the way they handled it. I don't like asparagus, and I don't like cats. But I don't equate the two.

Hope that clears everything up, cuz I'm really tired of the subject.

I understand how it works (but good rundown for the loads of people who don’t get it). I just didn’t understand which argument you were making.

I completely agree with you, Spurs played by the rules. But you can play by the rules and still Simmons over. Do it once in a while and you don’t get a reputation. Do it all the time and agents will hold it against you.

What the Knicks did may still be kosher by the rules (let’s see) but against unwritten rules. What the Spurs did with Simmons teams do all the time.

Hope that clears up where I’m coming from.

[DPG21920]

The reason this is a big deal and not comparable to other similar scenarios was because it was Morris/Klutch word that led to SA trading a valuable player.

If it were just money, then that’s one thing. But to commit knowing SA had to make a trade in order to secure you? This is pretty unprecedented.

[marinoman]

They already play offense in a phone booth with 3 starters that don’t shoot 3s, yea sure get kyle Anderson.

[EricB]

Hanga did complain about the Spurs backing out of a deal. He was in San Antonio for his physical and waiting to sign when apparently the Spurs pivoted in a different direction and he took his offer in Europe. Karma.

But in reality it seems that until a contract is signed parties are allowed to change their minds in this system.

Karma

[EricB]

I guess I just never understood why the Spurs moved heaven and earth (not to mention Bertans) in the first place just for a shot at this guy.

"It profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. But for Wales?”

Bertans was gone next year anyways. This worked out perfect.

[cjw]

The reason this is a big deal and not comparable to other similar scenarios was because it was Morris/Klutch word that led to SA trading a valuable player.

If it were just money, then that’s one thing. But to commit knowing SA had to make a trade in order to secure you? This is pretty unprecedented.

Yes, someone gets it. This is where his agent is completely in the wrong.

[spurraider21]

The reason this is a big deal and not comparable to other similar scenarios was because it was Morris/Klutch word that led to SA trading a valuable player.

If it were just money, then that’s one thing. But to commit knowing SA had to make a trade in order to secure you? This is pretty unprecedented.

yeah. and its another thing if, say, the spurs traded bertans without any commitments, just to free up the MLE to pursue players... similar to when they traded tiago before having any commitments from LMA. but that trade was made specifically based on morris' word, not just some general risk-reward tactic by the spurs

[Payote75]

Yea I just wish this would end already. At this point yes I wanted him to beat up on kawitter and LeBron but do we even want him? he not only renegging he keeping the spurs in limbo. We should not be there to catch him if he falls if the Knicks don't come through. Let him swallow his pride and sign with the Lakers who cares.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Maybe Ben Moore can grab the spot?

[SAGirl]

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