[Woj]Spurs have pulled offer to Marcus Morris and agreed to a deal with free agent Trey Lyles

[DPG21920]

Bertans wasn’t going to be on the team next year. This isn’t hard.

But I would rather have Carroll for MLE on two years with no 3rd year dead money and Bertans to trade away vs Lyles.

[Collins21]

He’s been mentioned around. I mostly have moved on but hoping Lyles doesn’t make me regress tbh. I wasn’t even a Bertans fan and he’s better too.

As I said, maybe he can shoot better than last season at least. Or he might go the way of Joffrey Lauvergne

Bertans stinks dude sucked after the All Star break and was the worse player on the team in the playoffs.

[Mugen]

yeah its pretty embarrassing to go right back to the klutch well and get their sloppy seconds...

im tellin you, they're just tryin to keep a good relationship for IB

They're going to re-sign IB to near the max. And I set the o/u on exactly a year before they request a trade to NY and tank his value. Three years left on the contract, doesn't matter when Klutch yields that much power in the league...

Their big guns are on the coasts, the Trey Lyles and Nerlens Noels are in middle america, there's a pattern tbh...

[Atl Spur]

It happens to every great tbh....the only one that's managed to avoid extinction is Jerry West and he's been able to do it by staying within California...being able to do it so long, in frankly a non-sexy military city in the middle of Texas, is really, really amazing....no doubt about that....

But it happened to Sloan, happened to Riley, happened to Phil, and now it's happening to Pop/RC...no shame in it tbh.....

It's a land of wolves now, and they're not wolves.

Yo, you’re funny��. You’ll be d*ck riding as soon as we get going! I’ll be keeping an eye out for you��

[Robz4000]

Im surprised that Murray, especially now that it’s come out that “it was Rich Paul’s fault”, does not change reps.

He’s been all Spurs all the way and it can’t sit well with them that his own agency screwed his team out of improving in a major way by both making SA trade Bertans and not having Morris honor his agreement.

I think it would have to be hard to just sit back and say “this is all good”

It's been said, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he were moved tbh. Not just because of this fiasco (gonna cost too much while not showing enough improvement, glut of guards to pay, etc) but it'll play a part.

[spurraider21]

Bertans wasn’t going to be on the team next year. This isn’t hard.

neither will lyles. and again, we would not have signed lyles this summer if bertans was still on the payroll.

klutch maneuvered to have us ditch bertans... with lyles the only piece to take his place after morris conveniently found a better deal right after inducing the bertans trade

at least that would be the theory

[SAGirl]

I hope for the best here and the development work is put in and Lyles turns into a serviceable player but then someone compares him to Ayers and I have flashbacks.

Ayers had horrible hand/eye coordination. I think Lyles can catch a basketball better.

Other than that. We will have to see.

[Mugen]

Im surprised that Murray, especially now that it’s come out that “it was Rich Paul’s fault”, does not change reps.

He’s been all Spurs all the way and it can’t sit well with them that his own agency screwed his team out of improving in a major way by both making SA trade Bertans and not having Morris honor his agreement.

I think it would have to be hard to just sit back and say “this is all good”

You're giving Dejounte way, waaaaaaaaaaay too much credit tbh.

[SAGirl]

Bertans stinks dude sucked after the All Star break and was the worse player on the team in the playoffs.

If it’s possible to believe Lyles had a worse season. Hopefully he bounces back though. Has to have a sense of urgency for his career at this point.

[EricB]

But I would rather have Carroll for MLE on two years with no 3rd year dead money and Bertans to trade away vs Lyles.

id rather have 500 million dollars and no bills.

[Mugen]

Just announce the Derozan extension and end me fam.

[DPG21920]

id rather have 500 million dollars and no bills.

You aren’t that far from that tbh..

[Robz4000]

They're going to re-sign IB to near the max. And I set the o/u on exactly a year before they request a trade to NY and tank his value. Three years left on the contract, doesn't matter when Klutch yields that much power in the league...

Their big guns are on the coasts, the Trey Lyles and Nerlens Noels are in middle america, there's a pattern tbh...

Still a decent chance Murray ends up being another Nerlens Noel rather than a big gun tbh.

[Robz4000]

Just announce the Derozan extension and end me fam.

Right after they'll announce the next Fatty loyalty contract for $60mil.

[EricB]

neither will lyles. and again, we would not have signed lyles this summer if bertans was still on the payroll.

klutch maneuvered to have us ditch bertans... with lyles the only piece to take his place after morris conveniently found a better deal right after inducing the bertans trade

at least that would be the theory

Fox Mulder thinks you need to see a shrink

[Mugen]

Still a decent chance Murray ends up being another Nerlens Noel rather than a big gun tbh.

I'd trade him before October if the right offer came along tbh.

[Holden_Caulfield]

lol lyles the . might as well sign dragan bender at least hes 7 feet tall and only 21 years old

[NASpurs]

Just announce the Derozan extension and end me fam.

[RD2191]

You’re Bieber and I am Tom Cruise and you don’t want that smoke, catch these hands, etc.. per par

[Arcadian]

I'll take the younger guy, tbh.

If you would on the Spurs for always signing guys past their prime, then don't complain about this signing.

[alpha_HaZE]

https://www.spurstalk.com/trey-lyles...morris-plan-b/

The Lyles of two years ago put up the same per-possessions stats as Morris did last season.



Lyles couldn't hit a shot last year but the potential is there for him to eventually be better than Morris. Though, obviously, the 2019-20 Spurs take a hit with this news.

I was here to post just that

https://www.basketball-reference.com....fcgi?id=ipJjb

Lyles from two years ago compares very favourably to MM and Bertans, per 36 min; he scores the most points; gets the most rebounds; fouls the least; steals, assists, and blocks shots the most, and has the highest win share per 48 minutes.

So, I couldn't agree more with your post. If Trey Lyles is willing to put in the work, he has the potential to be the best of the three.

But hey, Samanic already looks better than Bertans

[cd021]

Yea. Something like $1-2M I read. But whats the cap hold for that year? I think the full $7M that year. Eats possible important cao space in a really pivotal year for the Spurs. Hope Carroll can playout the contract with benefit to the Spurs.

I assume the Spurs are going for a reset after next season (20-21). So Carroll probably is just going to be waived. The cap will be at $118 million so $1.8 million is a drop in the bucket. Spurs should have 4 or 5 rookie scale players on roster, as well as White, Murray and Poeltl on reasonable extensions. That should give then plenty of cap space to build around Walker, White, Murray and Poeltl, K.J and Samanic.

[DPG21920]

Would you rather not have Holiday over him? Is the gap there big enough to help Klutch?

[timvp]

Would you rather not have Holiday over him? Is the gap there big enough to help Klutch?

Morris was going to start at the 4. Lyles can play 4, Holiday can't.

I wouldn't mind Holiday as a Belinelli replacement, though, tbh.

[raybies]

But I would rather have Carroll for MLE on two years with no 3rd year dead money and Bertans to trade away vs Lyles.

I don’t know why people still don’t understand the contract... it’s basically the same deal as the two year. If the spurs need the space they can wave him. It’s like 7 mil, 6.5 mil, and 1.5 mil guaranteed. It’s basically the same deal.