[Woj]Spurs have pulled offer to Marcus Morris and agreed to a deal with free agent Trey Lyles

[raybies]

But I would rather have Carroll for MLE on two years with no 3rd year dead money and Bertans to trade away vs Lyles.

I don’t know why people still don’t understand the contract... it’s basically the same deal as the two year. If the spurs need the space they can wave him. It’s like 7 mil, 6.5 mil, and 1.5 mil guaranteed. It’s basically the same deal.

[DPG21920]

Morris was going to start at the 4. Lyles can play 4, Holiday can't.

I wouldn't mind Holiday as a Belinelli replacement, though, tbh.

Sure, but I am talking BPA here. Which if you lose Morris, you dont just sign a terrible down grade in talent because you want the position. Maybe you do, I dont know.

[DPG21920]

I don’t know why people still don’t understand the contract... it’s basically the same deal as the two year. If the spurs need the space they can wave him. It’s like 7 mil, 6.5 mil, and 1.5 mil guaranteed. It’s basically the same deal.

You can pretend that dead money is no big deal and it may end up not being. But I don’t understand being dismissive of it.

[raybies]

You can pretend that dead money is no big deal and it may end up not being. But I don’t understand being dismissive of it.

Bruh cause In 2021 basically everyone is off the books. And even if we did convince anyone we’d have the money for them. It’s no big deal. We are not talking a sizable chunk here. It’s 1.5 mil with a continuing rising cap. We are talking less than 1% here. You are overreacting.

[DPG21920]

Bruh cause In 2021 basically everyone is off the books. And even if we did convince anyone we’d have the money for them. It’s no big deal. We are not talking a sizable chunk here. It’s 1.5 mil with a continuing rising cap. We are talking less than 1% here. You are overreacting.

You know how many times even a little dead money has thrown a wrench in things? Plenty. I am not saying the sky is falling because of it. I am saying I don’t like the practice of SA treating it like some non-issue. It’s just not optimal.

You are talking to me like I dont sit here and explain the salary cap to most people

[spurraider21]

Would you rather not have Holiday over him? Is the gap there big enough to help Klutch?

Morris was going to start at the 4. Lyles can play 4, Holiday can't.

I wouldn't mind Holiday as a Belinelli replacement, though, tbh.

i think more specifically, lyles is replacing bertans. morris was a different situation that would have justified adjusting the starting lineup (having LMA be the permanent 5). with the current roster, i think the poodle/LMA starting front is more likely. carroll isn't a talent like morris that you make room for.

holiday/bullock would have made sense to replace marco, but i dont necessarily see the point in making that switch.

[DPG21920]

I just dont like the standing still when the situation calls for action. It’s not over, but SA is on the “prove it” mode now vs the “trust it” mode after the past few years and what they have done (Pau, Mills, DeRozan).

Pick a direction; if you are good “just” being a playoff team, you can do that without DeRozan (as you proved without Kawhi/DeRozan). So move him and build towards a better future.

OR, if you are keeping him and traded a top 3 player for him over other deals, then commit to winning now as best you can. Be aggressive and add to the team.

[slick'81]

I just dont like the standing still when the situation calls for action. It’s not over, but SA is on the “prove it” mode now vs the “trust it” mode after the past few years and what they have done (Pau, Mills, DeRozan).

Pick a direction; if you are good “just” being a playoff team, you can do that without DeRozan (as you proved without Kawhi/DeRozan). So move him and build towards a better future.

OR, if you are keeping him and traded a top 3 player for him over other deals, then commit to winning now as best you can. Be aggressive and add to the team.

do we have enough assests outside of derozan,lma and the little 3 to signifigantly upgrade though

[dbestpro]

Lyle is not replacing Bertans. Carroll is replacing Bertans. Lyle is replacing Cunningham.

[spurraider21]

Lyle is not replacing Bertans. Carroll is replacing Bertans. Lyle is replacing Cunningham.

nah. we picked up carroll to replace cunningham/pondexter and give us a viable reserve 3 who can play some 4. at the time we acquired carroll, we still had bertans. we only moved bertans to upgrade the small PF spot with morris when the situation developed where morris could conceivably be had at the MLE.

when that fell through, we basically had our squad minus bertans. now lyle is coming in to replace bertans as the floor spacing small 4

[coachmac87]

I just dont like the standing still when the situation calls for action. It’s not over, but SA is on the “prove it” mode now vs the “trust it” mode after the past few years and what they have done (Pau, Mills, DeRozan).

Pick a direction; if you are good “just” being a playoff team, you can do that without DeRozan (as you proved without Kawhi/DeRozan). So move him and build towards a better future.

OR, if you are keeping him and traded a top 3 player for him over other deals, then commit to winning now as best you can. Be aggressive and add to the team.

I mean DDR was 3rd team ALL-NBA when the trade went down ...you can honestly say he did pretty damn good for his situation and coming into the new season..I think you gotta see what you have before you trash it. As we know from Murray getting hurt things and direction of your team can change in a blink of an eye.

Honestly not trying to be an apologist but taking “The Beloved Nuggets” to Game 7 (Choked the Series TBH) without your promising PG (ALL NBA DEFENSE) has to give you pause on major changes.


I dunno what you have in mind? But all the teams in the West that made changes other than Utah or Clippers had either Injuries, Drama, or missed the playoffs all together

You can probably predict the top 3 teams but anything after that is a guess. But even the Top 3 teams have injury history, and dramatic BS that you can’t really ignore.

[siraulo23]

We swapped Bertans for Lyles. We also gave Carroll more years and money.

[spurs10]

Morris was going to start at the 4. Lyles can play 4, Holiday can't.

I wouldn't mind Holiday as a Belinelli replacement, though, tbh.

Yes and the biggest rub on Lyles I've heard is his inability to defend the perimeter. He and Morris were going to play the 4. Sounds like his in the paint and around the rim defense is likely better than Morris, which is not to say we need that as much as perimeter defense. Hopefully Murray, White, and Carroll can help there.

[Budkin]

It hurts. To be so close to having a roster capable of pulling off #6 and of getting sweet revenge on Nephew, only for it to be snatched away. Damn.

Morris wasn't the guy giving us that kind of roster.

[spurraider21]

We swapped Bertans for Lyles. We also gave Carroll more years and money.

yep.

i mean carroll got 0.5 mil more per year, and the 3rd year has just over 1 mil guaranteed, so not the biggest deal. another team looking to shed salary in that third year can send us a better player and then they could waive/buyout carroll cheaper.

the carroll thing isn't the end of the world. swapping big bert for lyles is really unfortunate, but thats more on morris being an asshole than PATFO dropping the ball. they did the right thing, but no good deed goes unpunished.

our hopes for this season hinge on white/walker/murray being a significant improvement to our rotation last year. carroll over pondexter/cunningham is a nice upgrade, but not moving the earth.

[spurraider21]

Morris wasn't the guy giving us that kind of roster.

eh, he kind of was. his size, versatility, and defense alone would have been huge. throwing carroll/morris at opposing forwards would have been a pretty big difference maker. last year we didnt have any forwards who were plus defenders and could also shoot. we were really close to having 2 of them, with morris being a more versatile player on both ends

[ElNono]

[monty4329]

They really shouldn't have signed another Klutch player either. That just makes it worse.

This is what makes this signing 100% pathetic.

Raped twice by Klutch. Well done.

[monty4329]

somewhere in SD Kawhi Leonard is having a big smile, one more proof for how much this place is a mess and PATFO lost it, hope nobody anymore is going to keep blaming Kawhi for wanting out of here!

Hey, after Mr. Hammond becomes HC everybody will want to come here. National TV every week, 'experts' hype on ESPN, and and so forth...

[monty4329]

I am fine with not boycotting them. To me boycotting means everything is cut off. That’s not what I am saying should have happened. I am saying you only deal with them or show interest in clients that mean something. Today, next year or beyond.

You are under no obligation to pay bad players in their stable is what I am saying and that is not a boycott to stay away from bad players tied to them.

It is a duty of a GM to stay away from bad players, no matter what.

[monty4329]

Im surprised that Murray, especially now that it’s come out that “it was Rich Paul’s fault”, does not change reps.

He’s been all Spurs all the way and it can’t sit well with them that his own agency screwed his team out of improving in a major way by both making SA trade Bertans and not having Morris honor his agreement.

I think it would have to be hard to just sit back and say “this is all good”

Well....hey DJ what about starting PG in LA with AD atc etc....? I bet he stays with LBJ/Klutch

[kobyz]

Why give Lyles more than market value? Why not saving the money for a buyout player or two, maybe even Marcus Morris when he bought out by the Knicks down the road.

[Down Under]

So who gets the backup minutes at the 4? Carroll, Lyles or Samanic?

[venitian navigator]

One thing to consider is that by dec. 15 Lyles could become an asset, and potentially a decent one, in the trade market...he's young, has some skills, and his contract situation is extremely good for, let's say, a rebuilding team...
So, if he plays extremely good, he pans out like a steal and we have the chance to stick with paying him little money for his second season...if he plays decently, he could become just the necessary piece to have a good amount of money to be traded for a better, possibly expiring, player (like Gallinari) with his last year being a large contract...

[slick'81]

So who gets the backup minutes at the 4? Carroll, Lyles or Samanic?

Carroll probably starts next to lma with poodle and lyles behind them