[Woj]Spurs have pulled offer to Marcus Morris and agreed to a deal with free agent Trey Lyles

[spurraider21]

So who gets the backup minutes at the 4? Carroll, Lyles or Samanic?

i think samanic spends most if not all of the season in austin. lyles takes the bertans role. carroll takes the role that cunningham/pondexter tried to fill... the SF who can dabble at PF

[ceperez]

Lyles was complaining about the Jazz' Quin Snyder's 3 hour workouts:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...practices.html

He's a player that doesn't want to put the work in. Look at his body, he's 4 years in the NBA and he still looks like he's just coming out of college.

The one upside for Lyles is that he's got decent guard skills (dribbling and passing). But his at ude isn't ideal. You want guys who are primed to work their butt out to improve their game.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

This seems like an obvious step back. But I don’t blame PATFO. Morris and the Knicks were weasels. Hard to say Klutch acted honorably. But...the team will still be better next year. I thought Walker might bust but he’s looking great so far. Hopefully this new contract for Lyles isn’t bad.

[r0drig0lac]

Lyles was complaining about the Jazz' Quin Snyder's 3 hour workouts:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...practices.html

He's a player that doesn't want to put the work in. Look at his body, he's 4 years in the NBA and he still looks like he's just coming out of college.

The one upside for Lyles is that he's got decent guard skills (dribbling and passing). But his at ude isn't ideal. You want guys who are primed to work their butt out to improve their game.

so we signed the untalented Morris paying a higher value than he's worth, which is from the agency that screwed the Spurs, and are there people who are okay with it? what the

[hater]

Why not just go sign someone walking at the Walmart parking lot

[Killakobe81]

Klutch is the fastest growing agency in the league. It'd be pretty damn dumb to refuse to work with them going forward. That's doubly true when the two sides have to talk this summer to see if a Murray extension is possible.

The Spurs held a grudge against Arn Tellem for nearly two decades after Lamond Murray did something similar and that didn't help the franchise. It fact, there were multiple times it hurt the team that Pop refused to talk to Tellem.

Morris' story is he never meant to agree with the Spurs, that it was a miscommunication with Rich Paul. The Spurs could either roll their eyes while accepting their tall tale or attempt a one-team blackball of what will probably soon become the league's biggest agency.

For the sake of pettiness, the Klutch boycott would have some good drama. But if the Spurs wanted to do what's best for the franchise going forward, accepting them at their word and moving on is the smarter move, IMO.

This. Warring with Klutch is silly. What if they sign guys you truly want even more than Morris?!

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Lyles was complaining about the Jazz' Quin Snyder's 3 hour workouts:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...practices.html

He's a player that doesn't want to put the work in. Look at his body, he's 4 years in the NBA and he still looks like he's just coming out of college.

The one upside for Lyles is that he's got decent guard skills (dribbling and passing). But his at ude isn't ideal. You want guys who are primed to work their butt out to improve their game.

In some ways this isn't always a bad thing. Most likely he stays a knucklehead and doesn't change, but if the Spurs can find ways to motivate him (or maybe he matures a bit and loses the en lement, know it all at ude a lot of young people have) he could really progress as a player. Look at Draymond's improvement just from deciding to take conditioning/diet seriously.

[Marcus Bryant]

Lyles was complaining about the Jazz' Quin Snyder's 3 hour workouts:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...practices.html

He's a player that doesn't want to put the work in. Look at his body, he's 4 years in the NBA and he still looks like he's just coming out of college.

The one upside for Lyles is that he's got decent guard skills (dribbling and passing). But his at ude isn't ideal. You want guys who are primed to work their butt out to improve their game.

Electroshock therapy. Also, lack of playing time should clear that up.

[DPG21920]

I mean DDR was 3rd team ALL-NBA when the trade went down ...you can honestly say he did pretty damn good for his situation and coming into the new season..I think you gotta see what you have before you trash it. As we know from Murray getting hurt things and direction of your team can change in a blink of an eye.

Honestly not trying to be an apologist but taking “The Beloved Nuggets” to Game 7 (Choked the Series TBH) without your promising PG (ALL NBA DEFENSE) has to give you pause on major changes.


I dunno what you have in mind? But all the teams in the West that made changes other than Utah or Clippers had either Injuries, Drama, or missed the playoffs all together

You can probably predict the top 3 teams but anything after that is a guess. But even the Top 3 teams have injury history, and dramatic BS that you can’t really ignore.

Me saying SA chose DeRozan was not a knock about the trade; its commentary on the mentality. That trade is a win-now trade. I can understand being on your heels with a roster built for Kawhi, then getting blindsided and having a new star that it’s totally different from Kawhi.

But, they had all year to watch and learn and plan, and? They didn’t really do much yet. If they chose DeRozan, whichis fine, the need to lean into that....or move him.

[buujness]

Everything about this sucks, tbh.

It sucks that Morris reneged when he could have been a help on a dark horse run for the team. It sucks that the team traded Bertans for ultimately no reason (which makes other trades more difficult to pull off, too).

With that out of the way, here's an interesting article from the Nuggets' SBNation site that indicates that Lyles actually had a positive impact on the floor...when he wasn't sharing it with Jokic.

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/12/27/18156786/the-denver-nuggets-have-a-big-decision-looming-with-trey-lyles

If you don't feel like reading it, the long and short is that Lyles is effective when he has plenty of touches and can play an active facilitator role, and ineffective when he's asked to be a cutter or spot-up shooter off the ball. Seeing as the Spurs don't have a guy like Jokic on the roster, and that they don't really play the way Denver does (give it to Jokic and have everybody else move freely and quickly), he may be a decent 3rd big, which is something that the Spurs needed to address (lower priority than a 3/4 combo, but one nonetheless).

He doesn't address the big wing need, and that's the most bitter pill to swallow in all of this. Unfortunately, Morris was really the only guy left that did address that on the FA market, so, when he ed out, there was nothing to be done.

[DPG21920]

This. Warring with Klutch is silly. What if they sign guys you truly want even more than Morris?!

Is SA really getting anyone “big” anyways? Honest question. Look at the war path Klutch is on with their top tier guys.They are steering them to front offices they can control and in big markets.

What would SA really be losing out on considering they did this to SA with a mid-tier FA?

[buujness]

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Klutch isn’t the first or last. Quit being bitter dudes and act like you got some nuts in here! He said no so we move on; not sit around ing about Klutch or Morris. Bertans got punked all playoffs long and everyone outside of White was a damn traffic cone; if no one else will say it I will..... we got better this off season. Add another defensive three and we will be in business.

Hence why everyone is so upset Morris ed out.

[John B]

In some ways this isn't always a bad thing. Most likely he stays a knucklehead and doesn't change, but if the Spurs can find ways to motivate him (or maybe he matures a bit and loses the en lement, know it all at ude a lot of young people have) he could really progress as a player. Look at Draymond's improvement just from deciding to take conditioning/diet seriously.

I hope you’re right and I trust the PATFO knows what they’re doing. Because this kid has a lot if unrealized potential and Spurs’ development team is highly regarded but to those willing to put in time.

[Mugen]

Going after Morris was a step towards the right direction. They got f'd but they shouldn't be discouraged.

They've got assets to play with (the Suckers' prodigal son Bryn, Beli's contracts, first rounders, etc.) and they should be doing everything they can to bring in another rotation player that can defend wings.....

If they stand pat now then this FO needs some serious overhauling. They just got cucked by Klutch sports but there are still moves out there to boost their chances in an open West.....

[John B]

Going after Morris was a step towards the right direction. They got f'd but they shouldn't be discouraged.

They've got assets to play with (the Suckers' prodigal son Bryn, Beli's contracts, first rounders, etc.) and they should be doing everything they can to bring in another rotation player that can defend wings.....

If they stand pat now then this FO needs some serious overhauling. They just got cucked by Klutch sports but there are still moves out there to boost their chances in an open West.....

Somebody mentioned Winslow to help facilitate CP3 trade to Miami. I wouldn’t mind losing a 1st round for this guy.

[BacktoBasics]

Do we have numbers on this Lyles contract. I looked back but didn’t see them posted yet.

[Mugen]

They have a ton of young guys already, at some point adding another 1st rounder is overkill.

Beli/Metu/1st rounder isn't bringing back somebody as good as Morris but it'll bring back a useful body to throw at the insane wings in the Western conference...Roberson, Crowder.....

You add Forbes to that package (and eventually Lyles) and you're looking at a 15mil dollar rotation player that could really help them in the 2nd half...Marvin Williams, Kidd-Gilchrist, Ariza, and maybe even Covington.....

There's zero excuse to not try and improve the roster via trade. Even just losing Belinelli so he can't steal mins away from Lonnie would be an improvement. The Spurs can't be afraid of trying to hit for another double or triple because they're scared to lose a guy like Bryn F'n Forbes.

[ceperez]

Do we have numbers on this Lyles contract. I looked back but didn’t see them posted yet.

No numbers, but let's hope it's the minimum!!

[Mugen]

No numbers, but let's hope it's the minimum!!

Not the minimum. It's 2yrs/11mil with partial guarantees on the 2nd year. It's a bad contract tbh unless they can flip it near the deadline.

[ceperez]

Everything about this sucks, tbh.

It sucks that Morris reneged when he could have been a help on a dark horse run for the team. It sucks that the team traded Bertans for ultimately no reason (which makes other trades more difficult to pull off, too).

With that out of the way, here's an interesting article from the Nuggets' SBNation site that indicates that Lyles actually had a positive impact on the floor...when he wasn't sharing it with Jokic.

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/12/27/18156786/the-denver-nuggets-have-a-big-decision-looming-with-trey-lyles

If you don't feel like reading it, the long and short is that Lyles is effective when he has plenty of touches and can play an active facilitator role, and ineffective when he's asked to be a cutter or spot-up shooter off the ball. Seeing as the Spurs don't have a guy like Jokic on the roster, and that they don't really play the way Denver does (give it to Jokic and have everybody else move freely and quickly), he may be a decent 3rd big, which is something that the Spurs needed to address (lower priority than a 3/4 combo, but one nonetheless).

He doesn't address the big wing need, and that's the most bitter pill to swallow in all of this. Unfortunately, Morris was really the only guy left that did address that on the FA market, so, when he ed out, there was nothing to be done.

Thanks.

It could work out because ever since we lost Manu and Tony, we lost a lot of facilitators. I mean, we also lost Anderson who could do that job.

Mills is just too small to effectively pass well. We just found out that White could pass last year. DeRozan was in fact our best assist man. That's pathetic considering the number of good passers we had in 2014!

[ceperez]

Not the minimum. It's 2yrs/11mil with partial guarantees on the 2nd year. It's a bad contract tbh unless they can flip it near the deadline.

Is there still money left to sign another guy?

[duncan2150]

Is there still money left to sign another guy?

i think it still something like 3.8 million to sign someone assuming Lyles took 5.5 mo of the MLE.

[Mugen]

Man, can't believe I'm saying this but I'd probably do Forbes/Beli for Fathead. I don't think you'll even have to throw in a 2nd rounder since Memphis is probably eager to move off those guaranteed years...They have Crowder and Cabocolo so they probably have buyer's remorse on KA.

Fathead's dad hates the Spurs so I doubt it happens but he's another wing defender and will be useful once Rudy misses his annual 15 games.

Ugh but I'd do it.

[beirmeistr]

They have a ton of young guys already, at some point adding another 1st rounder is overkill.

Beli/Metu/1st rounder isn't bringing back somebody as good as Morris but it'll bring back a useful body to throw at the insane wings in the Western conference...Roberson, Crowder.....

You add Forbes to that package (and eventually Lyles) and you're looking at a 15mil dollar rotation player that could really help them in the 2nd half...Marvin Williams, Kidd-Gilchrist, Ariza, and maybe even Covington.....

There's zero excuse to not try and improve the roster via trade. Even just losing Belinelli so he can't steal mins away from Lonnie would be an improvement. The Spurs can't be afraid of trying to hit for another double or triple because they're scared to lose a guy like Bryn F'n Forbes.

Well said

[Dex]

I don’t know why people still don’t understand the contract... it’s basically the same deal as the two year. If the spurs need the space they can wave him. It’s like 7 mil, 6.5 mil, and 1.5 mil guaranteed. It’s basically the same deal.

Really gives the Spurs more flexibility, actually. If he does fit the team and they want to keep him around, they've got him for a relatively cheap $7M. If not, the Spurs can either use the third year as a trade chip for a team that wants him or just wants cap relief, or waive him (possibly with a stretch) themselves for a pretty minimal cap hit.