Was Lyles hurt last season? Just trying to find an explanation for that dip in shooting. Remember Danny and the yips? A dip that big can be bad news.
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OTOH possible buy low possibility for the Spurs if the guy regains the shooting touch. If only he had better work ethic I'd be more hopeful. His complaints about workouts aren't calming to know.
hope we sign him only to use him as a salary match down the road in a future trade, Mike Malone might be the best coach in the league that know how to put his players in the best place to succeed, and if he didn't find any use in Lyles that telling a lot!
He was buried on the bench in denver and his numbers dipped
Lyles best attribute will be to hopefully shoot well enough to eat a lot of regular season minutes this year to keep Rudy fresh. If he can do that, the signing will be a success.
SPURS SIGN TREY LYLES
Matt Schad, Sr. Digital Developer
Posted: Jul 12, 2019
SAN ANTONIO (July 12, 2019) – The San Antonio Spurs today announced that they have signed forward Trey Lyles. Per team policy, terms of the contract were not announced.
Lyles, 6-10/235, appeared in 64 games for the Denver Nuggets last season averaging 8.5 points, 3.8 rebounds and 1.4 assists in 17.5 minutes. In two seasons with the Nuggets, he averaged 9.3 points, 4.3 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 18.3 minutes. Appearing in 288 total contests, Lyles holds career averages of 7.6 points, 3.9 rebounds and 1.1 assists in 17.5 minutes.
The former University of Kentucky Wildcat was a first round pick in the 2015 NBA Draft (12th overall) by the Utah Jazz. Lyles spent his first two seasons with the Jazz before being sent to Denver on draft night in 2017. While with Utah, Lyles was selected to the 2016 and 2017 BBVA Rising Stars Challenge during All-Star Weekend.
Lyles will wear No. 41 for the Spurs.
https://www.nba.com/spurs/spurs-sign-trey-lyles
Spurs didn't suffer The Renege, Volume 2, at least.
Tim- ing-Duncan isn't here anymore. PATFO is nothing now. ing Marcus Morris flipped off PATFO. Our only goddamn hope for any type of success is White. Murray hasn't played in a year. Walker is probably the dumbest player we've ever had. It is what it is.
It's kinda sad that people think this teams whole season laid in Morris hands. Yikes. I think they will be just fine
The Lyles deal is such it's almost weird. Why guarantee any money next year? Just give him whatever you were going to guarantee him as increased salary this year. This constant cycle of having dead money on the payroll is ridiculous. I don't see him as a two-year rotation player; I see him as a guy who should be competing for his roster spot. This deal guarantees he'll get at least a Cunningham role. Ideally, he plays well enough to earn that (and more), but he might not even be as good as Dante. Maybe the Spurs could have put out feelers to Williams' agent to see if the could negotiate a buyout in exchange for the MLE for a year. That would likely have been preferable to this.
Still, you gotta root for him to succeed. The team would be so much better with a 6-10 PF than a smaller one. In the very least, he increased the talent level of the bench and can provide good compe ion for Samanic for the next two years. There's zero pressure for Luka to develop quickly. It also puts Metu as the most likely player to be traded, with Beli as a moderate second. Those two combine for enough to take back a high-priced player, so it's worth looking at going forward.
Is the 2nd year guaranteed?
Partial but i havent seen how much
Maybe the fact that he is a 6'10 PF is why they are giving him a shot. From everything I've read here it seems like the fact that he isn't a perimeter defender is the main complaint about him. He's a PF and not a combo 3/4. If we need more at the SF spot than Gay and Carroll it's time for a trade and it isn't really about Lyles.
Ok thanks for clarifying
we need a 3rd SF that can play defense and hit 3s. But I think there should be some available close to the deadline. You got a better chance to land one then rather than now, because most of them were FAs
I really, really can't disagree with this idea that Gay and Carroll are SFs strongly enough. They are PFs. They both play the same position as Lyles. Maybe off the bench, one of them will play the three, but that likely isn't the goal. I'm expecting the rotation to look like this.
Murray, Mills
White, Forbes
DeRozan, Walker
Carroll, Gay
Aldridge, Poeltl
While we may all want Mills to not have a spot, he's going to get one unless the Spurs acquire a really good forward. Someone like Stan Johnson wasn't going to change that. From what I see, the team has adequate forward depth after this move. Now it's just seeing if they can upgrade the rotation with Beli, Metu and possibly a pick. Ideally, they move Mills for a forward making similar money (James Johnson from Miami, for example) and get the flexibility they need. Then they break up Murray and White and get a more ideal rotation:
Murray (some I won't get predictable backlash), White
Forbes, Walker
DeRozan, Carroll
Johnson, Gay
Aldridge, Poeltl
If Johnson can get back to his previous level of play, that's a dangerous team. He makes way too much, but at least he can't renege.
I believe Lyles still has a chance to resurrect his career with a team like the Spurs. Gary Neal played a key role when he was with Spurs. J. Simms played his role with the Spurs also and I believe the same for Lyles. With Lyles on the team like previous poster said he will at least be able to give Gay some rest. I believe he will have an opportunity to start some games and with him instead of Morris means it expedites DJM and White growth which will be a good thing. Morris would of been more of a focal point on offense and take away some of there opportunities and don't get me wrong I believe if everything would of clicked with Morris starting at 4 we would of had a slight chance at making to the WCF. If Lyles learns the system and his role which I believe will be to hit the corner or elbow 3 and hold his own on defense than I believe we would also have a punchers chance to reach the WCF especially if LW4 makes the jump to about 18 minutes a game with hot sparks and streaks. Forbes is not better than DJM, White or LW4 but he will start because we will need White to lead that bench unit and Forbes know the system way more than LW4 and he can hit the 3 from anywhere on the floor. It's a good chance that if LW4 plays well that he will be averaging about the same amount of minutes as Forbes by the end of the regular season. Don't forget that we have DDR that will be in his 2nd year and more acclimated as well. We should be okay this upcoming season. Weak spots are going to be Mr. Softridge and Rudy Gay when it really matters. If Gay would stop acting like he's still in his prime and trying to tomahawk slam every layup at 50% completion rate and not understanding that when he's dribbling up the court to start a fast break that the other team is still on the court running behind you to still the ball or not boxing out for a rebound. Gay's BBIQ is one of the lowest on the team. Poeltl and White playing together off the bench will be a big plus because he will make Poetl a better player. If Carroll can guard the better SF's at decent rate we will be better than a lot of outsiders and even some homers may think.
Yep I'm hoping we can make a move before deadline unless there is something brewing with a trade.
Great post and you're right that Gay and Carroll are PF's, in fact one of those will likely start. I was referring more to defending the perimeter. I actually think Morris was the same, and while he was a more tenacious defender, he was a PF. DDR will be our starting SF but I guess the question is who guards the big wings. So back to square one and we'll see who we can get to fill those shoes.
The only thing I've seen on it was Jabari tweeted he heard there was a partial guarantee on the 2nd year. Then two hours later when asked if the 2nd was guaranteed he said 'No'.... I haven't seen any other reporting on it.
I could provide a list if you like
Despite signing a $15m/yr contract, I don't think Gay can play a lot of minutes during the regular season.
So I expect the following regular season lineup:
Murray, White
Forbes, Walker
DeRozan, Carroll
Aldridge, Gay
Poetl, Lyles
Which is decent. Now consider that Mills, Belinelli, Metu the bench and Samanic & Johnson G-league duties
Honestly, Spurs still have a lot of talent. But White,Walker,Murray need to elevate their game. Everyone else, we know what they are capable of.
Yeah I read the same tweet so wasn’t sure which was accurate.
You all really giving up on Keldon Johnson so soon? He is basically our only true 2/3 defender a la Green right now. Might not be much choice but to play him.
whos giving up on him? But to think he’s going to crack the rotation this year is quite a stretch. I see a lot of g league for him with maybe a couple spot minutes during the reg season if the mad scientist decides to tank some games and rest half our roster.
Can we just keep this thread through next season and every time he does something good, but laugh every time something bad happens? The Kawhi thead helped, but I find I still have a lot of leftover hate.
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