[Woj]Spurs have pulled offer to Marcus Morris and agreed to a deal with free agent Trey Lyles

[spurraider21]

The Lyles deal is such it's almost weird. Why guarantee any money next year? Just give him whatever you were going to guarantee him as increased salary this year. This constant cycle of having dead money on the payroll is ridiculous. I don't see him as a two-year rotation player; I see him as a guy who should be competing for his roster spot. This deal guarantees he'll get at least a Cunningham role. Ideally, he plays well enough to earn that (and more), but he might not even be as good as Dante. Maybe the Spurs could have put out feelers to Williams' agent to see if the could negotiate a buyout in exchange for the MLE for a year. That would likely have been preferable to this.

Still, you gotta root for him to succeed. The team would be so much better with a 6-10 PF than a smaller one. In the very least, he increased the talent level of the bench and can provide good compe ion for Samanic for the next two years. There's zero pressure for Luka to develop quickly. It also puts Metu as the most likely player to be traded, with Beli as a moderate second. Those two combine for enough to take back a high-priced player, so it's worth looking at going forward.

disagree. as long as the guy is willing to hoist 3's, he's better than dante. dante gave us nothing except theoretical matchup based defense because of his measurables

[buujness]

He's a flier, and pretty much nothing more. As he can't play the 3, he's not just competing against the other 4s on the roster, but he also has to prove that playing him is worth playing 2 bigs, which squeezes minutes away from your young perimeter players. Given that, I find it highly unlikely that Lyles has any sort of playoff rule with the team.

He can perhaps be a help at soaking up regular season minutes without automatically conceding a loss, so that's helpful in a way. Not remotely exciting, though.

[XDT76]

I am not saying lyles is better than Morris, but I think this could be abit more balance for the team. Lyles could spell some C when LMA or JP needs a rest. We have plenty of "wings" player on the roster anyway.

[buujness]

I am not saying lyles is better than Morris, but I think this could be abit more balance for the team. Lyles could spell some C when LMA or JP needs a rest. We have plenty of "wings" player on the roster anyway.

The team needed a 3rd big, it's true. It's a bit role on the team, but an important one, and Lyles honestly will probably be helpful in that role.

But the team needs another 3/4 combo forward who can shoot, rebound and play tough defense in order to credibly compete, IMO, There are just too many teams with too many really good offensive wings in order to get by with just one. Otherwise, you'd be forced to put guys like White and Murray on them. And while those guys are defensive monsters, they don't really have the size you want to reliably defend Paul George, Kawhi, LeBron, Klay Thompson (when he's back), Ben Simmons, etc.

[Fusternino]

Can he or Metu legit play the 5, though?

[Dverde]

Can he or Metu legit play the 5, though?

Metu can’t play at all. Lyles is a typical skinny center in today’s game. He’s really competing with Eubanks for minutes.

[C-Dub]

Carroll will be playing a lot of the backup 3 behind DDR. A lot of fans here are thinking he will start at the 4 but he is way to skinny to constantly start at 4. I can see him playing spot 4 minutes at times. Lyles will get more starts at the 4 than Carroll will. White will be 6th man this year, LW4 will be 6th man the following year and DJM, White and LW4 will all be starting together in a few years with Quindary being the 6th man.

[Gagnrath]

1.8 million. That’s it. People ing about that are clueless.

Eric thing is to most people $1,800,000 is pretty significant. Even to NBA front offices you definitely don't want to just throw that away.

[gerald]

Metu can’t play at all. Lyles is a typical skinny center in today’s game. He’s really competing with Eubanks for minutes.

saw his clips... he is more of an unmotivated yet more physical and matured samanic... think boris diaw

[Atl Spur]

Eric thing is to most people $1,800,000 is pretty significant. Even to NBA front offices you definitely don't want to just throw that away.

You’re joking......Right??

[Seventyniner]

If Johnson can get back to his previous level of play, that's a dangerous team. He makes way too much, but at least he can't renege.

Not a big deal, his contract is like Rudy's: it doesn't matter how much he makes this year and next cause his contract expires in 2021. Unless we start getting into luxury tax concerns with next summer's MLE.

How much can the Spurs take back in salary by only trading Beli + Metu?

[JuneJive]

He can be useful as a trade chip for balancing salaries.

He was used for that purpose already.

[Spurs Brazil]

[TD 21]

He's a flier, and pretty much nothing more. As he can't play the 3, he's not just competing against the other 4s on the roster, but he also has to prove that playing him is worth playing 2 bigs, which squeezes minutes away from your young perimeter players. Given that, I find it highly unlikely that Lyles has any sort of playoff rule with the team.

He can perhaps be a help at soaking up regular season minutes without automatically conceding a loss, so that's helpful in a way. Not remotely exciting, though.

Expect him to compete with Walker and if retained, Belinelli for 10th man, but really he's more so Gay and Carroll insurance. Neither can stay healthy for long and even in the unlikely event they do, they could still use the occasional game off.

Carroll will be playing a lot of the backup 3 behind DDR. A lot of fans here are thinking he will start at the 4 but he is way to skinny to constantly start at 4. I can see him playing spot 4 minutes at times. Lyles will get more starts at the 4 than Carroll will. White will be 6th man this year, LW4 will be 6th man the following year and DJM, White and LW4 will all be starting together in a few years with Quindary being the 6th man.

Nah, Carroll will mostly play PF due to the roster construction. Unlike Gay, who can't credibly play SF anymore, he's still a tweener. He's obviously better than what they had, but people are in for a rude awakening if they think he can physically handle the likes of James, S bag, Antetokounmpo, etc. He's even more gimpy than Gay and is only 6'7'' 215 with a 6'10'' wingspan.

I agree that he shouldn't be a regular starter at PF. I know they'd prefer not to have to start Gay, but the reality is he's the best option for now. Barring his falling off a cliff, they should be looking to trade for Marvin Williams (Belinelli, Lyles, Metu should get it done) starting on December 15th.

[Duncan87]

Stefan Bondy @SBondyNYDN
about 11 minutes ago
According to a source, Marcus Morris and Nerlens Noel have fired agent Rich Paul.

[Duncan87]

Wonder what happen there

[Degoat]

Wow that’s interesting lol I wonder if the knicks backed out of their deal with Morris

[ironman2886]

Stefan Bondy @SBondyNYDN
about 11 minutes ago
According to a source, Marcus Morris and Nerlens Noel have fired agent Rich Paul.

That’s great if true. I feel much less angry at Marcus Morris.

[Mr. Body]

Stefan Bondy @SBondyNYDN
about 11 minutes ago
According to a source, Marcus Morris and Nerlens Noel have fired agent Rich Paul.

Lol wat

[Mr. Body]

Maybe Rich Paul really was trying to steer players to the Lakers and was trying to get Morris to bite on a Knicks contract so he could be traded. The Noel saga I wasn't paying attention to -- was it his fault or his agent's?

[ironman2886]

Wow that’s interesting lol I wonder if the knicks backed out of their deal with Morris

Morris’ twitter just posted he wanted a new Knicks profile pic. He’s a Knick.

[Degoat]

Morris’ twitter just posted he wanted a new Knicks profile pic. He’s a Knick.

dang would’ve been funny if they had lol

[Realdeal1]

Morris probably fired Rich Paul to save face in this whole mess

[r0drig0lac]

That’s great if true. I feel much less angry at Marcus Morris.

[Mr. Body]

Morris probably fired Rich Paul to save face in this whole mess

Maybe was an actual miscommunication -- Morris didn't want to take the SAS deal, he just wants to dog it in Gotham. Paul probably isn't giving a about a mid-tier player.