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    Upon further reflection, I do find it interesting that the Spurs signed Lyles to the same amount of money per year that they were reportedly willing to give to Kyle Anderson. If I may put on my rose-tinted and tastefully-perfumed glasses, perhaps the coaching staff feels that they can turn Lyles into a facsimile of what Anderson was/is defensively, as their body types/skillsets are quite similar (with Lyles being more athletic).

    In the highly unlikely scenario where the coaches and Lyles himself are able to turn Lyles into a more athletic Anderson on defense, then he becomes a more interesting pickup.
    Wonder if they'd rather have Anderson. Scoring isn't nearly the problem it was back then, especially from the perimeter and now they're facing Kawhi Leonard four times a year. Could use a long perimeter defender.

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    Wonder if they'd rather have Anderson. Scoring isn't nearly the problem it was back then, especially from the perimeter and now they're facing Kawhi Leonard four times a year. Could use a long perimeter defender.

    5.5 isnt near 9.2

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    5.5 isnt near 9.2
    What are you talking about and what do you think you're talking about?

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    Wonder if they'd rather have Anderson. Scoring isn't nearly the problem it was back then, especially from the perimeter and now they're facing Kawhi Leonard four times a year. Could use a long perimeter defender.
    I think that they'd love to have Anderson...at Lyles's price point. I don't think that they really miss him at 9 million a year.

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    I think that they'd love to have Anderson...at Lyles's price point. I don't think that they really miss him at 9 million a year.
    I do think kyle is proven skill and Lyle is speculative. So you pay 5 for maybe light defense and maybe good shooting or 9 for guaranteed defense and guaranteed poor shooting.

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    I think that they'd love to have Anderson...at Lyles's price point. I don't think that they really miss him at 9 million a year.
    Considering Lyles projects to be Ayres 2.0, I'd bump that salary to get an actually useful player.

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    I do think kyle is proven skill and Lyle is speculative. So you pay 5 for maybe light defense and maybe good shooting or 9 for guaranteed defense and guaranteed poor shooting.
    You just said it: guaranteed poor shooting. I'm a fan of Kyle, but it's hard to survive in today's NBA if you're a forward who doesn't shoot. Hence the desire for him at 5 million decreasing rapidly at 9 million.

    It's a gamble, most definitely.

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    Considering Lyles projects to be Ayres 2.0, I'd bump that salary to get an actually useful player.
    Eh, the fact that Lyles knows how to use opposable thumbs makes him better than Ayres, IMO.

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    Lyles won't be in the top 10. He'll hopefully get a shot at playing some minute, but he won' be a replacement for Morris which is good for others.

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    Lyles won't be in the top 10. He'll hopefully get a shot at playing some minute, but he won' be a replacement for Morris which is good for others.
    Yeah Morris-Lyles events basically mean DDR is back as a full-time SF.
    If Morris were here we would probably see a lot of DDR-Morris-Gay(Carroll) lineups meaning DDR at 2.
    Now it's gone, Lyles is a 3rd PF behind Gay and Carroll.

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    For what I red, Lyles problems are his injuries and his head (will to sacrifice and improve)...not his talent (that is a lottery talent) or his feel for the game (the kid can obviously play). He can play the three front court roles, to the point he played sf also before being draft-picked...and has the body to play also small ball c. He can pass the ball and has a good shoot movement, also is not afraid to shoot...and talking about defense he has quite the same body of Kyle but a lot more athletic...so looks like improving on defense can be possible.
    That said, the contract is clearly a sort of last chance for him to revitalize his career and clean his image buying in our system after a very bad season and a market quite totally dry for him...and a chance to be a long term part of our organization. If he'll have the humility to understand that and act of consequence he has everything for becoming good to very good for us...otherwise his entire career will be put in grave danger (and for an ex top 12 draft pick that would mean a big failure).

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    For what I red, Lyles problems are his injuries and his head (will to sacrifice and improve)...not his talent (that is a lottery talent) or his feel for the game (the kid can obviously play). He can play the three front court roles, to the point he played sf also before being draft-picked...and has the body to play also small ball c. He can pass the ball and has a good shoot movement, also is not afraid to shoot...and talking about defense he has quite the same body of Kyle but a lot more athletic...so looks like improving on defense can be possible.
    That said, the contract is clearly a sort of last chance for him to revitalize his career and clean his image buying in our system after a very bad season and a market quite totally dry for him...and a chance to be a long term part of our organization. If he'll have the humility to understand that and act of consequence he has everything for becoming good to very good for us...otherwise his entire career will be put in grave danger (and for an ex top 12 draft pick that would mean a big failure).
    I think spending that kind of money on a reclamation project, wich probably will have zero impact on his first year is quite incomprehensible. I'd rather keep the money for an eventual buyout in case we have a great season and need a veteran for a deep run in the PO. If we have a poor season, then play Walker (although I don't see what apparently everybody is seeing in him).

    PATFO doesn't panick, but this to me smells like a rushed, panick driven move. I'd almost rather sign Melo....

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    I think spending that kind of money on a reclamation project, wich probably will have zero impact on his first year is quite incomprehensible. I'd rather keep the money for an eventual buyout in case we have a great season and need a veteran for a deep run in the PO. If we have a poor season, then play Walker (although I don't see what apparently everybody is seeing in him).

    PATFO doesn't panick, but this to me smells like a rushed, panick driven move. I'd almost rather sign Melo....
    doesn't really make a difference tbh. Most teams can only offer the Minimum, Spurs can still offer 4.2 Million. That's more than enough to sign a buyout

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    If he comes in thinking he is going to get major minutes and then cash in on free agency it will end very badly for him. If he comes in thinking he wants to be a better player and a better teammate then he could have a nice career.

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    Confirmed: flat 2/11 (so 5.5M per year) and 1M partial year 2. Stupid contract but whatever

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    timvp on the front page articles, for example Final Spurs Summer League Stats And Grades.

    Are the faces at the bottom asking us to react to what you as the writer wrote? Or the subject matter, what we ourselves think about the subject?

    Example we think you wrote a great article so give it a smiley face 100%
    Or we think the Spurs had an average summer league regardless of what you wrote therefore give it the 50/50 rated face?


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    timvp on the front page articles, for example Final Spurs Summer League Stats And Grades.

    Are the faces at the bottom asking us to react to what you as the writer wrote? Or the subject matter, what we ourselves think about the subject?

    Example we think you wrote a great article so give it a smiley face 100%
    Or we think the Spurs had an average summer league regardless of what you wrote therefore give it the 50/50 rated face?

    Hmm. Good q. We'll leave that open to interpretation, tbh.

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    Confirmed: flat 2/11 (so 5.5M per year) and 1M partial year 2. Stupid contract but whatever
    That's a fine contract, IMO. Based on comparable players (Kaminsky, J. Green, Kanter, etc), I had Lyles pegged at being worth between $6 million and $9 million over two years. Getting him for $6.5 million is on the low end of that and $1 million (at worst) dead money is tiny. The chances that comes back to bite the Spurs are pretty microscopic, tbh.

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    That's a fine contract, IMO. Based on comparable players (Kaminsky, J. Green, Kanter, etc), I had Lyles pegged at being worth between $6 million and $9 million over two years. Getting him for $6.5 million is on the low end of that and $1 million (at worst) dead money is tiny. The chances that comes back to bite the Spurs are pretty microscopic, tbh.
    Be that as it may, there is zero reason for a player of Lyles abilities, that there should be any chance it comes back to hurt SA.

    What reason would there be not to give him all the money in Year 1 where you know it won’t hurt you for sure? There is none. Has nothing to do with the amount of money he’s being paid total; its the contract structure (and honestly he should not be more than 4M per year)
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    Folks are going to be surprised by Lyles. I think he had a bad situation last year with the Nuggets with injuries, backing up Jokic and not getting to play much and so on. I suspect he will improve for sure this season and will contribute to the Spurs squad. His game translates well to the Spurs system. And he will fit well with Poeltl/ Aldridge.

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    I'm prepared to not be surprised by Lyles. He is who he is, a lazy dude who shat the bed at two pretty good franchises in Utah and Denver and is a lot closer to being out of this league than he thinks.

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    Who has the scoop on Reggie Bullock's new contract?
    Wondering how they healed his plantar fasciitis and how much they charged him.

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    Reggie Bullock has officially signed his two-year deal with the Knicks.


    Bullock initially agreed to a two-year, $21 million deal with the Knicks, but after an unanticipated health issue was discovered during his physical, the Knicks and Bullock re-worked the deal on a more team-friendly salary. He reportedly signed for less than the $4.7 million exception and his contract has a player option on Year-2, but we still don't know exactly what ailment he's dealing with.

    Free agent forward Reggie Bullock has signed a two-year, $8.2 million deal with the New York Knicks, his agent David Bauman told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski on Tuesday.


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    Folks are going to be surprised by Lyles. I think he had a bad situation last year with the Nuggets with injuries, backing up Jokic and not getting to play much and so on. I suspect he will improve for sure this season and will contribute to the Spurs squad. His game translates well to the Spurs system. And he will fit well with Poeltl/ Aldridge.
    Too early? yes. But still, I told you so.

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