Derozan on the trading block??

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

KD,Nephew,Giannis,LBJ,Curry,Harden,PG13,AD,Jokic,E mbiid,Lillard,Butler,Klay,Beal,Oladipo.

Next tier of slightly more/equal/slightly lesser value to DeRozan in no order.

Westbrook,Kemba,Kyrie,Doncic,J.Murray,Griffin,Russ ell,LMA,Middleton,Towns,J.Holiday,Simmons,Harris,M cCollum,Siakam,Mitc ,Gobert,Horford.

Isn't DeRozan closer to value to the second group?

More than half those players are not better than DeRozan.

[DAF86]

I wonder WTF is wrong with people so much nowadays...

The Spurs aren't trading DeRozan. You don't have to move everyone just because they are (or rather might be) expiring. You can let guys go or keep your options open. At what point do you no longer care if a guy walks? They didn't "get something" for Anderson or Parker. There's a very good chance they don't even try to "get something" for Aldridge. Guys can walk for nothing. It's okay. The whole point of DeRozan was to bridge the previous and future eras. He's doing that job well. He wasn't brought in to be a mainstay for a decade. He can play out this year and potentially next, and then the two sides can part ways feeling like they both got what they wanted.

It's definitely not easy to see how the Spurs will get better next year unless their guards take an unrealistic jump and the team gets actual value in a deal. If they wanted to trade him for a pick, it would have been during the draft when they knew what they'd be getting. Almost no other trade makes any sense. Some of the deals proposed here are just miserable.

It doesn't occur to you that some people, maybe even some within the Spurs organization, might feel like trading DeMar away will help acceleratte the development of players like White, Murray and Walker?

[DAF86]

More than half those players are not better than DeRozan.

Which ones?

[gambit1990]

wouldn't happen but ddr, patty, beli, forbes for cp3 and gallo works out $ wise.

cp3 / white
murray / walker
carrol / gay
gallo / luka
la / poeltl

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

derozans a proven what? mentally weak pussy who is 30 and still can’t shoot 3s. that empty stats loser and his idiot “fans”

Do you have reading comprehension skills.

[RC_Drunkford]

I honestly wouldn't trade him this season. The west is wide open and this team has a potential high ceiling depending on the leap White, Murray and Walker make. Spurs roster could be very well balanced with multiple high scoring options and the best defensive guard pairing in the NBA. With the west wide open it makes sense to keep him on the team for another season. Of course it depends on what you can back in a trade, but I doubt teams would be giving up anything significant for 1 year of DeMar DeRozan

[DPG21920]

I wonder WTF is wrong with people so much nowadays...

The Spurs aren't trading DeRozan. You don't have to move everyone just because they are (or rather might be) expiring. You can let guys go or keep your options open. At what point do you no longer care if a guy walks? They didn't "get something" for Anderson or Parker. There's a very good chance they don't even try to "get something" for Aldridge. Guys can walk for nothing. It's okay. The whole point of DeRozan was to bridge the previous and future eras. He's doing that job well. He wasn't brought in to be a mainstay for a decade. He can play out this year and potentially next, and then the two sides can part ways feeling like they both got what they wanted.

It's definitely not easy to see how the Spurs will get better next year unless their guards take an unrealistic jump and the team gets actual value in a deal. If they wanted to trade him for a pick, it would have been during the draft when they knew what they'd be getting. Almost no other trade makes any sense. Some of the deals proposed here are just miserable.

I agree many of the trades are horrible, but letting TP and Anderson walk is not equivalent to DeRozan. He has value and you letting guys like him walk when you know he does not fit all that well along with knowing you dont’ want to extend him makes little sense.

Sure, if you don’t get anything decent then you absolutely let him walk and keep books clean. But he has positive value and trading him absolutely should be explored knowing you aren’t extending him.

He’s the main piece of trading your franchise player and you don’t just let him walk if you can get something positive for him; either for helping to win now or in the future.

Spurs dont have to get better than last year to make the playoffs; in fact they made it without DeRozan. They aren’t going anywhere as currently constructed so unless you can do something to raise the ceiling now with DeRozan/LMA the prudent thing is to keep your floor the same (Murray/Lonnie/Carroll + whatever you trade for DeRozan basically) while helping the future too.

[Chinook]

It doesn't occur to you that some people, maybe even some within the Spurs organization, might feel like trading DeMar away will help acceleratte the development of players like White, Murray and Walker?

They would never have traded FOR him had they thought that. PATFO isn't stupid. They knew who DMDR was when they made the team. Teams tried to trade for him back then, and they said no. If their plan was to run with their young guys, DeRozan would already be gone.

[FkLA]

Is there any truth to this?

Don't want to wast time reading through the thread if it's just a tweet from a bull account.

[Leetonidas]

Is there any truth to this?

Don't want to wast time reading through the thread if it's just a tweet from a bull account.

That Paul Garcia dude said the guy was spot on about some other stuff. And even if teams are inquiring about derozan doesn't mean SA is actually looking to trade. I'd say don't waste your time

[FkLA]

That Paul Garcia dude said the guy was spot on about some other stuff. And even if teams are inquiring about derozan doesn't mean SA is actually looking to trade. I'd say don't waste your time

I figured. Thanks brah.

[DPG21920]

They would never have traded FOR him had they thought that. PATFO isn't stupid. They knew who DMDR was when they made the team. Teams tried to trade for him back then, and they said no. If their plan was to run with their young guys, DeRozan would already be gone.

Are you sure? Maybe it was just a symptom of best deal available and they didn’t have as much choice as you think? They waited an awful long time while Kawhi’s value plummeted because they seemed to want to convince him to change his mind. Proved to be a fool’s errand and then DeRozan seemed to be the best of what was left.

Maybe after watching this team not do any better than the team without Kawhi and DeRozan along with the emergence of White made them say with more confidence than last year that they are the future and he is not.

[Genovaswitness]

Do you have reading comprehension skills.

I have eyes and that’s more than I can say for you. put down the crack pipe

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Which ones?

Think about it. Aldridge was the only other quality player on the Spurs last season. Had a rookie and Mills starting at PG, A undrafted 2nd year player starting at SG, Gay as the best bench player, forward that could only hit 3s 3/4 of the season and got benched in the playoffs. Look the that list of players and honestly tell me which would have made the Spurs a better team if you were to switch them with DeRozan.

[DAF86]

They would never have traded FOR him had they thought that. PATFO isn't stupid. They knew who DMDR was when they made the team. Teams tried to trade for him back then, and they said no. If their plan was to run with their young guys, DeRozan would already be gone.

I'm convinced PATFO thought DeRozan would be better than what he is. Or, at least, that they could transform him into a more efficient player. For sure PATFO thought they would be better than a 48 wins team when they traded for him, so it's not like their offseason predictions were on point last season, tbh.

[Chinook]

I agree many of the trades are horrible, but letting TP and Anderson walk is not equivalent to DeRozan.

It is. That's really what this comes down to. They can let him go. It's okay. They have him because they value his skills. But they aren't extending him, because they only want his skills for this long at this price point. Theoretically, contracts are supposed to be about where one sides gives a service for a certain amount of time and then that's it. Having a guy fulfill his contract and then leave is a perfectly acceptable outcome.

You don't trade a guy just because he has "value". That's why bad teams do. DMDR has value because he's a good player who can make a team better. Well, he can do that on SA just as well, and that's true for every good player on the roster. They all have value (except Mills). Every good team has a bunch of valuable players on the roster. The point of getting back value is to keep it, not trade it away for other value.

Spurs dont have to get better than last year to make the playoffs; in fact they made it without DeRozan

I really wish you'd stop saying this. The Spurs made the playoffs with the guys on the roster at the time and against the other teams in the league at the time. That wasn't just this team minus DeRozan against the new LA teams and the rest of this more compe ive West. They NEEDED DeRozan to make it last year. To believe anything else is just pure denial. Maybe they'd make it again if they moved him, but it's not a guarantee.

There just isn't a good argument for trading DeRozan, especially not right now. Maybe at the deadline, it would be different. It certainly could have been different during the draft. But not now. The Spurs need to be better than last year to make the post-season, and they'd be very much worse if they move DeMar for nothing of consequence.

[DAF86]

Think about it. Aldridge was the only other quality player on the Spurs last season. Had a rookie and Mills starting at PG, A undrafted 2nd year player starting at SG, Gay as the best bench player, forward that could only hit 3s 3/4 of the season and got benched in the playoffs. Look the that list of players and honestly tell me which would have made the Spurs a better team if you were to switch them with DeRozan.

Most of them. Are you forgetting that a Kyle Anderson led perimeter won the same amount of games, the prior season, than the DeRozan led one last season?

[Dex]

I wonder WTF is wrong with people so much nowadays...

The Spurs aren't trading DeRozan. You don't have to move everyone just because they are (or rather might be) expiring. You can let guys go or keep your options open. At what point do you no longer care if a guy walks? They didn't "get something" for Anderson or Parker. There's a very good chance they don't even try to "get something" for Aldridge. Guys can walk for nothing. It's okay. The whole point of DeRozan was to bridge the previous and future eras. He's doing that job well. He wasn't brought in to be a mainstay for a decade. He can play out this year and potentially next, and then the two sides can part ways feeling like they both got what they wanted.

It's definitely not easy to see how the Spurs will get better next year unless their guards take an unrealistic jump and the team gets actual value in a deal. If they wanted to trade him for a pick, it would have been during the draft when they knew what they'd be getting. Almost no other trade makes any sense. Some of the deals proposed here are just miserable.

#thistbh.

7 pages already over some random tweet?

How about we just give it another run next year with everybody healthy, some new role players, and our young guns getting more run?

It's a wild idea, I know.

[Collins21]

It is. That's really what this comes down to. They can let him go. It's okay. They have him because they value his skills. But they aren't extending him, because they only want his skills for this long at this price point. Theoretically, contracts are supposed to be about where one sides gives a service for a certain amount of time and then that's it. Having a guy fulfill his contract and then leave is a perfectly acceptable outcome.

You don't trade a guy just because he has "value". That's why bad teams do. DMDR has value because he's a good player who can make a team better. Well, he can do that on SA just as well, and that's true for every good player on the roster. They all have value (except Mills). Every good team has a bunch of valuable players on the roster. The point of getting back value is to keep it, not trade it away for other value.



I really wish you'd stop saying this. The Spurs made the playoffs with the guys on the roster at the time and against the other teams in the league at the time. That wasn't just this team minus DeRozan against the new LA teams and the rest of this more compe ive West. They NEEDED DeRozan to make it last year. To believe anything else is just pure denial. Maybe they'd make it again if they moved him, but it's not a guarantee.

There just isn't a good argument for trading DeRozan, especially not right now. Maybe at the deadline, it would be different. It certainly could have been different during the draft. But not now. The Spurs need to be better than last year to make the post-season, and they'd be very much worse if they move DeMar for nothing of consequence.

No way in this team makes the playoffs without Derozan. These guys in here most of them operated from a fantasy world where they want to make trades just for he sake of making trades. Maybe the Spurs have every intention on letting Derozan fulfill is contract and then leaving. The way they sent up there books shows that exactly what they intend to do. Not trade him for garbage players on garbage contracts like some posters are suggesting.

[DPG21920]

It is. That's really what this comes down to. They can let him go. It's okay. They have him because they value his skills. But they aren't extending him, because they only want his skills for this long at this price point. Theoretically, contracts are supposed to be about where one sides gives a service for a certain amount of time and then that's it. Having a guy fulfill his contract and then leave is a perfectly acceptable outcome.

You don't trade a guy just because he has "value". That's why bad teams do. DMDR has value because he's a good player who can make a team better. Well, he can do that on SA just as well, and that's true for every good player on the roster. They all have value (except Mills). Every good team has a bunch of valuable players on the roster. The point of getting back value is to keep it, not trade it away for other value.



I really wish you'd stop saying this. The Spurs made the playoffs with the guys on the roster at the time and against the other teams in the league at the time. That wasn't just this team minus DeRozan against the new LA teams and the rest of this more compe ive West. They NEEDED DeRozan to make it last year. To believe anything else is just pure denial. Maybe they'd make it again if they moved him, but it's not a guarantee.

There just isn't a good argument for trading DeRozan, especially not right now. Maybe at the deadline, it would be different. It certainly could have been different during the draft. But not now. The Spurs need to be better than last year to make the post-season, and they'd be very much worse if they move DeMar for nothing of consequence.

I dont think these are equal at all. Sure letting a guy walk is fine; it’s just not optimal. If you know a guy is walking anyways, and you aren’t doing something like ruining a contending team, letting that player walk for nothing is sub-optimal. There is a scale; someone like Anderson/TP has only x amount of value. Letting them walk is lower opportunity cost. DeRozan’s opportunity cost is much higher.

Bad teams do sub optimal things. Clippers are a good team, they had a similar situation to DeRozan with Harris and look at them now. It can work both ways.

Spurs needed DeRozan because Murray got injured. Had Murray not gotten injured I am not sure DeRozan was needed; just as the year before.

Sure, it’s different players then and teams then, but I dont find it a stretch at all with emergence of White, getting Dejounte back, having Poeltl now and then adding Carroll/Lonnie that it would not be just as good of a chance to make 7th/8th seed as past two seasons.

There are plenty of good arguments for trading DeRozan and in fact it’s what I think WILL happen.

[Chinook]

I'm convinced PATFO thought DeRozan would be better than what he is. Or, at least, that they could transform him into a more efficient player. For sure PATFO thought they would be better than a 48 wins team when they traded for him, so it's not like their offseason predictions were on point last season, tbh.

PATFO thought they'd have Murray last year. That didn't happen. I don't see why they'd sour on DeMar enough to move him rather than giving this team with Murray and Carroll a chance. I mean, if DMDR wants to go, that's an entirely different matter. Maybe they've been trying to convince him to stay this whole time with no luck. But I don't see that as likely. It''s much more likely to be that they'd hold onto DeRozan at least until they see if the young guards can get it done. Then maybe they'd facilitate a trade to an LA team or two NYK or back to Toronto once teams can trade their new contracts. I could totally see the Lakers offer up Kuzma and filler for DeRozan to try to secure the edge in the battle for LA. Maybe Detroit makes Doumbouya available?

[slick'81]

There were rumors spurs spoke to jersey and now teams are seeing whats up.Hopefully spurs find something that can improve the team and if not demar stays

[FkLA]

I'm convinced PATFO thought DeRozan would be better than what he is. Or, at least, that they could transform him into a more efficient player. For sure PATFO thought they would be better than a 48 wins team when they traded for him, so it's not like their offseason predictions were on point last season, tbh.

He was more efficient, tbf. Shot above 48% after shooting in the low-mid 40s all his years in TOR. Also had his best year as a playmaker and on defense. I doubt they've given up on him. He really wouldn't be that bad if he would just stop caring about his scorer/closer label.

[DAF86]

PATFO thought they'd have Murray last year. That didn't happen. I don't see why they'd sour on DeMar enough to move him rather than giving this team with Murray and Carroll a chance. I mean, if DMDR wants to go, that's an entirely different matter. Maybe they've been trying to convince him to stay this whole time with no luck. But I don't see that as likely. It''s much more likely to be that they'd hold onto DeRozan at least until they see if the young guards can get it done. Then maybe they'd facilitate a trade to an LA team or two NYK or back to Toronto once teams can trade their new contracts. I could totally see the Lakers offer up Kuzma and filler for DeRozan to try to secure the edge in the battle for LA. Maybe Detroit makes Doumbouya available?

Murray's injury was a blessing in disguise last season. It allowed White to develop to the extent he did. The team wouldn't have done better with Murray starting over White.

[DPG21920]

PATFO thought they'd have Murray last year. That didn't happen. I don't see why they'd sour on DeMar enough to move him rather than giving this team with Murray and Carroll a chance. I mean, if DMDR wants to go, that's an entirely different matter. Maybe they've been trying to convince him to stay this whole time with no luck. But I don't see that as likely. It''s much more likely to be that they'd hold onto DeRozan at least until they see if the young guards can get it done. Then maybe they'd facilitate a trade to an LA team or two NYK or back to Toronto once teams can trade their new contracts. I could totally see the Lakers offer up Kuzma and filler for DeRozan to try to secure the edge in the battle for LA. Maybe Detroit makes Doumbouya available?

Problem with this is as the year goes on, DeRozan’s value goes down in most scenarios. Most teams that want him, would want him to get to the playoffs or at least bolster other chances. Getting him for half a season is just less valuable along with the fact he can walk for nothing in just a few months.

IMO, if he’s traded, it’s before/close to the start of the season. If he’s here at the deadline, I see that as more difficult IMO